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[The_FenixV]

Qistina wrote...

...You are being serious? The priests in Medieval Christendom were all men, the 'priests' in thedas are only women except for Haven who pretty much ends up destroyed in my playthroughs. Girls couldn't be warriors, only exception to this was Joan of Arc who was pretty much badass I admit, but sort of on the crazy side as well with reason.

If Thedas was completely a hundred percent based on medieval europe, there would be a lot of rape involved, Women wouldn't have an important role either, so don't base Thedas on history or even write 'nearly' And now please lets stop this and just get back to topic instead of getting a thread locked for nothing.

In DA:O we get a remark of being an exceptional woman because being a warrior..."But you are not an ordinary woman, you can best all the men in battle or outside" Ser Gilmore say

Cousland mom also mention about finding you a husband and playing with sword will not find you a husband. Cousland mom retire being a warrior and having a normal noble wife

Leliana story about Aveline says that women being accepted as a warrior is by a decree from Orlesian king who sympathy. The Orlais girl in Denerim tell that in orlais women got raped everyday, that is why she going to Ferelden

See...DA:O remain true to medieval-ish nature....but DA2 is not

Edit : Howe said to papa Cousland : "It is because you trained her as a warrior...that is....unique...."

Aveline of Orlais was in 8:4. The timeline in DA: O is different, they changed, women have more freedom than Medieval Europe did.

Edit: and of course Ser Gilmore is going to say that, was he supposed to say "You are horrible, you can't even hit properly, go play with dolls" if the game forced you to be male, and was completely sexist toward women like Medieval Europe was.. then there wouldn't be any other DA games. 

Modifié par The_FenixV, 28 mai 2013 - 08:55 .

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Elissa Cousland could having secret affair with the squire or the Elven maid, but if she hint about it her brother and sister in law do not approve...her brother even scolded her "you @#@#@$#@ minx! It is that #$#%$# guy isn't it?!!"

Elissa sister in law said "such relationship will bring shame to family..."

Now that is medieval Christendom...

Edit:
Sister in law said : In Antiva, women carrying sword in battle is...unacceptable..."

Modifié par Qistina, 28 mai 2013 - 09:00 .

[Silfren]

The_FenixV wrote...

Qistina wrote...

...You are being serious? The priests in Medieval Christendom were all men, the 'priests' in thedas are only women except for Haven who pretty much ends up destroyed in my playthroughs. Girls couldn't be warriors, only exception to this was Joan of Arc who was pretty much badass I admit, but sort of on the crazy side as well with reason.

If Thedas was completely a hundred percent based on medieval europe, there would be a lot of rape involved, Women wouldn't have an important role either, so don't base Thedas on history or even write 'nearly' And now please lets stop this and just get back to topic instead of getting a thread locked for nothing.

In DA:O we get a remark of being an exceptional woman because being a warrior..."But you are not an ordinary woman, you can best all the men in battle or outside" Ser Gilmore say

Cousland mom also mention about finding you a husband and playing with sword will not find you a husband. Cousland mom retire being a warrior and having a normal noble wife

Leliana story about Aveline says that women being accepted as a warrior is by a decree from Orlesian king who sympathy. The Orlais girl in Denerim tell that in orlais women got raped everyday, that is why she going to Ferelden

See...DA:O remain true to medieval-ish nature....but DA2 is not

Edit : Howe said to papa Cousland : "It is because you trained her as a warrior...that is....unique...."

Aveline of Orlais was in 8:4. The timeline in DA: O is different, they changed, women have more freedom than Medieval Europe did.

Edit: and of course Ser Gilmore is going to say that, was he supposed to say "You are horrible, you can't even hit properly, go play with dolls" if the game forced you to be male, and was completely sexist toward women like Medieval Europe was.. then there wouldn't be any other DA games. 

This is a point on which I can actually agree with Qistina, off-topic as it is.  Origins was supposed to present this world that was totally free of sexism, as if sexism had never existed, rather than having existed and then being obliterated.  But Origins is chock-full of countless bits of dialogue that just show that the writers don't know actually know how to portray such a world.  All those references that Qistina listed, and a ton more I could point do, are things that WOULD NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!! in a world that was truly egalitarian and had always been.  It's one of the reasons I think that in certain ways DA2 was superior to Origins.

Of course, I'm also aware of what Bioware WANTED to present, and even with all those irritating little bits the entire morality of the fictional world is still radically different from medieval Christendom.

[The_FenixV]

Qistina wrote...

Continue...

Elissa Cousland could having secret affair with the squire or the Elven maid, but if she hint about it her brother and sister in law do not approve...her brother even scolded her "you @#@#@$#@ minx! It is that #$#%$# guy isn't it?!!"

Elissa sister in law said "such relationship will bring shame to family..."

Now that is medieval Christendom...

Edit:
Sister in law said : In Antiva, women carrying sword in battle is...unacceptable..."

The brother didn't seem to mind if female Cousland ended up invited Dairren to her bed, as for that edit, seems like Bioware didn't care, cause women from antiva still carried swords and daggers.

[Silfren]

Qistina wrote...

Continue...

Elissa Cousland could having secret affair with the squire or the Elven maid, but if she hint about it her brother and sister in law do not approve...her brother even scolded her "you @#@#@$#@ minx! It is that #$#%$# guy isn't it?!!"

Elissa sister in law said "such relationship will bring shame to family..."

Now that is medieval Christendom...

Edit:
Sister in law said : In Antiva, women carrying sword in battle is...unacceptable..."

I remember those same exact lines, and you know what? They were not meant to be taken as disapproval.  Fergus' words to his sister are "you saucy minx!" and he uses a playful, not angry, tone.  I don't recall him saying "it is that #%&*&(* guy isn't it", though.  You are also hacking off the rest of what Oriana said.  Offhand I seem to recall she suggested being secretive...and she's doing it right there in front of Fergus and his parents, so she's clearly being facetious.

Sometimes I have to wonder if you played the same game the rest of us did.

[Boycott Bioware]

Actually i like it in DA:O where the world is at least have some extent to real medieval feel where women are not as equal as men...that is what i want to play, because today i don't live in that world...

I also love to play that sex is something shameful, taboo,, you may get lashed because of it...because that world do not exist anymore...

If thedas is similar to modern liberal world, there is no point with medieval theme, just make everyone use guns and wearing sunglasses

[The_FenixV]

Qistina wrote...

Actually i like it in DA:O where the world is at least have some extent to real medieval feel where women are not as equal as men...that is what i want to play, because today i don't live in that world...

I also love to play that sex is something shameful, taboo,, you may get lashed because of it...because that world do not exist anymore...

If thedas is similar to modern liberal world, there is no point with medieval theme, just make everyone use guns and wearing sunglasses

Well sex wasn't seen as shameful or taboo in dragon age unless you ended up joining the chantry and yet Leliana still had sex. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Filament wrote...

Qistina wrote...

just make everyone use guns and wearing sunglasses

+1

That's the first sane thing Qistina's posted!

[Elrena]

The only place where sex is looked down on as unnecessary in the DA universe is in the Qun. It is only for reproductive purposes.

[Shya]

Nefla wrote...

 I would love deeper, more involved romances as well as family interactions. I love it when the relationship is mentioned by companions or the LI in banter, conversations, or cutscenes.

agree^^^

[Ninja Mage]

I miss the sex scenes from Dragon Age 1...Dragon Age 2 was just...silly

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ninja Mage wrote...

I miss the sex scenes from Dragon Age 1...Dragon Age 2 was just...silly

You miss awkward underwear humping?

Weird.

[Ninja Mage]

Well not the humping so much..just the more intimate connection..it seemed like there was ''love'' there and not just people with clothes on hugging

[Nightdragon8]

Silfren wrote...

The_FenixV wrote...

Qistina wrote...

...You are being serious? The priests in Medieval Christendom were all men, the 'priests' in thedas are only women except for Haven who pretty much ends up destroyed in my playthroughs. Girls couldn't be warriors, only exception to this was Joan of Arc who was pretty much badass I admit, but sort of on the crazy side as well with reason.

If Thedas was completely a hundred percent based on medieval europe, there would be a lot of rape involved, Women wouldn't have an important role either, so don't base Thedas on history or even write 'nearly' And now please lets stop this and just get back to topic instead of getting a thread locked for nothing.

In DA:O we get a remark of being an exceptional woman because being a warrior..."But you are not an ordinary woman, you can best all the men in battle or outside" Ser Gilmore say

Cousland mom also mention about finding you a husband and playing with sword will not find you a husband. Cousland mom retire being a warrior and having a normal noble wife

Leliana story about Aveline says that women being accepted as a warrior is by a decree from Orlesian king who sympathy. The Orlais girl in Denerim tell that in orlais women got raped everyday, that is why she going to Ferelden

See...DA:O remain true to medieval-ish nature....but DA2 is not

Edit : Howe said to papa Cousland : "It is because you trained her as a warrior...that is....unique...."

Aveline of Orlais was in 8:4. The timeline in DA: O is different, they changed, women have more freedom than Medieval Europe did.

Edit: and of course Ser Gilmore is going to say that, was he supposed to say "You are horrible, you can't even hit properly, go play with dolls" if the game forced you to be male, and was completely sexist toward women like Medieval Europe was.. then there wouldn't be any other DA games. 

This is a point on which I can actually agree with Qistina, off-topic as it is.  Origins was supposed to present this world that was totally free of sexism, as if sexism had never existed, rather than having existed and then being obliterated.  But Origins is chock-full of countless bits of dialogue that just show that the writers don't know actually know how to portray such a world.  All those references that Qistina listed, and a ton more I could point do, are things that WOULD NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!! in a world that was truly egalitarian and had always been.  It's one of the reasons I think that in certain ways DA2 was superior to Origins.

Of course, I'm also aware of what Bioware WANTED to present, and even with all those irritating little bits the entire morality of the fictional world is still radically different from medieval Christendom.

I got a question I'm guessing you had infomation stating in writing that "DA is sposed to be a world without sexism" because if its not in writing your just blowing smoke..

[Nightdragon8]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Well not the humping so much..just the more intimate connection..it seemed like there was ''love'' there and not just people with clothes on hugging

there was love in DA2, Meril had her unconditional kind, Isabella had her own. But most of it was done in the banter so unless you brought them along you may have missed alot.

[ejoslin]

Jestina wrote...

We must procreate...is pure and simple religious dog poop. You are still living in the stone age where women are expected to be in the kitchen or the bedroom. You also have to keep in mind that much of our "science" was male dominated up until twenty or so years ago.

There's a reason women have hidden ovulation -- probably to keep the man around.  He's going to have more luck procreating if he knows that he's actually impregnating the woman he's with, and that calls for multiple sexual encounters.  Sex for humans is not only about procreation.  If it were, we'd have obvious signals when we ovulated.

It's part of the reason sex is so complex and confusing -- yes, it's about reproduction, but in people, it's also about pleasure and bonding.

And yes, much of our understanding about female sexuality was very much colored by the beliefs about appropriate female behavior.  Societies with polyandry were never studied (though they did and still do exist) -- they were just dismissed as abberrations.  And this whole women don't peak sexually until their late 30s just reeks of male fantasy (teenage girls are just as horny as teenage boys for the most part -- they're also at their prime reproductively so that only makes sense).

ANYWAY, after any type of stress, we do tend to want sex.  I doubt it's a procreation thing when that happens.  More like, "Wow, I could have died, but i'm still ALIVE!"

And that response is what made the romances in DAO believable to me.  You're on the road, you're unwinding, and you're extending the bonding that would happen while in combat anyway.  It's understandable that those feelings would grow far more intensely and quickly, and as a mismatch to boot, than under normal circumstances.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 mai 2013 - 11:36 .

[ejoslin]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Well not the humping so much..just the more intimate connection..it seemed like there was ''love'' there and not just people with clothes on hugging

I have to agree with this.  Underwear aside, the scenes actually showed a lot of tenderness in both gestures and facial expressions.  You COULD giggle about the underweartastic sex (which was pretty ridiculous), but if you looked at the rest of the scene, you'd see sweet expressions, touching and cradling of faces, cuddling, etc.  

I liked DA2's approach as well, though I do wish there had been cuddling in the after scenes (I think Merril's scene was the only one that had that).

[Boycott Bioware]

ejoslin wrote...
And that response is what made the romances in DAO believable to me. You're on the road, you're unwinding, and you're extending the bonding that would happen while in combat anyway. It's understandable that those feelings would grow far more intensely and quickly, and as a mismatch to boot, than under normal circumstan

Sex is tiring, because you use a lot of energy, your heart beep more than going marathon, you also use your inner energy, the Chinese said you use your Chi, you lost it in sexual intercourse. That is why you will sleep, or your knee feel weak or numb...a sportsmen will not having sex if there is tournament tomorrow, because they will not have enough energy

[ejoslin]

Qistina wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
And that response is what made the romances in DAO believable to me. You're on the road, you're unwinding, and you're extending the bonding that would happen while in combat anyway. It's understandable that those feelings would grow far more intensely and quickly, and as a mismatch to boot, than under normal circumstan

Sex is tiring, because you use a lot of energy, your heart beep more than going marathon, you also use your inner energy, the Chinese said you use your Chi, you lost it in sexual intercourse. That is why you will sleep, or your knee feel weak or numb...a sportsmen will not having sex if there is tournament tomorrow, because they will not have enough energy

Actually, that's caused by oxytocin, and it helps you sleep much better, but it doesn't weaken you the next day.

Oxytocin is an interesting hormone.  It promotes bonding, and it's triggered by breastfeeding AND also by orgasm.  It does make you more relaxed as well -- languid is probably a better term.  But after you sleep it off, it's slept off.

I lift weights, and notice no difference in workouts at all whether I had sex the evening before, though if I slept better, I notice a difference.  And sex definitely makes me sleep better so there is that.  But all other things being equal, if I had a good night sleep, my lifting is the same whether I had sex the night before or not.

ETA: In fact, orgasm may actually increase strength because of the smal boost to testosterone that happens.  Though it's so small, probably not.

ANYWAY, two people bonding intensely, like what happened in DAO, is believable to me.  It just seems like such a human thing to happen.  And with as many soldiers who brought home war brides after our major wars, it seems to be a not-unusual response.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 mai 2013 - 12:18 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Actually, that's caused by oxytocin, and it helps you sleep much better, but it doesn't weaken you the next day.

Oxytocin is an interesting hormone. It promotes bonding, and it's triggered by breastfeeding AND also by orgasm. It does make you more tired as well -- languid is probably a better term. But after you sleep it off, it's slept off.

I lift weights, and notice no difference in workouts at all whether I had sex the evening before, though if I slept better, I notice a difference. And sex definitely makes me sleep better.

From what i know our body cannot stand the shock, because our body is not fit to hold the burden, our heart too, it is a sudden boost that make our whole body are unstable. That is why most sexual active people die early, today people are average live only 40 to 50 years...

And there vampires who eat the negative energies released by unmarried couple, these vampires who are in the secret society. That is why they are promoting sex in the media, movies, games, and they mind control programming the youth to have sex before marriage...they need the energies

They only can't eat the positive energies from married couple, that is why they despise marriage, they despise family structure, they can't eat it because there is aura coating married couples that keep the positive energies that released to themselves and the family....

[ejoslin]

Qistina wrote...

Actually, that's caused by oxytocin, and it helps you sleep much better, but it doesn't weaken you the next day.

Oxytocin is an interesting hormone. It promotes bonding, and it's triggered by breastfeeding AND also by orgasm. It does make you more tired as well -- languid is probably a better term. But after you sleep it off, it's slept off.

I lift weights, and notice no difference in workouts at all whether I had sex the evening before, though if I slept better, I notice a difference. And sex definitely makes me sleep better.

From what i know our body cannot stand the shock, because our body is not fit to hold the burden, our heart too, it is a sudden boost that make our whole body are unstable. That is why most sexual active people die early, today people are average live only 40 to 50 years...

And there vampires who eat the negative energies released by unmarried couple, these vampires who are in the secret society. That is why they are promoting sex in the media, movies, games, and they mind control programming the youth to have sex before marriage...they need the energies

They only can't eat the positive energies from married couple, that is why they despise marriage, they despise family structure, they can't eat it because there is aura coating married couples that keep the positive energies that released to themselves and the family....

Where on earth do you get that information?  You do need good health to be sexually active -- it promotes the hormones that keep you young so it's a good thing.  I'm in my 40s and my husband is in his 50s and, well, we're healthy.  Most people think we look younger than we are as well. Neither of us seem to be in any danger of dying very young.  A strong libido is a sign of good health, not poor health, and it helps keep you healthy (though eating well and staying active also help).

And I disagree wtih everything else you wrote here.  Sex can be believed as positive or negative, but I'm really REALLY glad I don't have your viewpoint here.  I have a very happy life, and am comfortable and confident with my sexuality and don't think there's anything wrong or dirty or whatever about sex.  

ANYWAY, this is far off the topic of DA and the romances.  As I've said many times, the reaction -- an intense bonding with someone in a wartime situation -- seems very human to me.  The example I used was war brides -- many single men fell in love and got married and brought home their brides during our major wars.  

[Boycott Bioware]

Where on earth do you get that information? You do need good health to be sexually active -- it promotes the hormones that keep you young so it's a good thing. I'm in my 40s and my husband is in his 50s and, well, we're healthy. Most people think we look younger than we are as well. Neither of us seem to be in any danger of dying very young. A strong libido is a sign of good health, not poor health, and it helps keep you healthy (though eating well and staying active also help).

that is because you are married...married couples have positive magnetic charges that keep you and your husband healthy, this magnetic charge that prevent the vampires to steal your energy, and it make peoples see you positively, young, happy and energetic

We can see through "sight beyond sight" the differences between married couples and unmarried one...there's some auras that coating married couples

[luna1124]

[Violation of Rule #6 removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 29 mai 2013 - 09:15 .

[ejoslin]

Qistina wrote...

Where on earth do you get that information? You do need good health to be sexually active -- it promotes the hormones that keep you young so it's a good thing. I'm in my 40s and my husband is in his 50s and, well, we're healthy. Most people think we look younger than we are as well. Neither of us seem to be in any danger of dying very young. A strong libido is a sign of good health, not poor health, and it helps keep you healthy (though eating well and staying active also help).

that is because you are married...married couples have positive magnetic charges that keep you and your husband healthy, this magnetic charge that prevent the vampires to steal your energy, and it make peoples see you positively, young, happy and energetic

We can see through "sight beyond sight" the differences between married couples and unmarried one...there's some auras that coating married couples

*sigh*  Again, I disagree.  Our bodies' basic biology and hormonal response to sex doesn't change due to marital status.  And I don't believe in invisible vampires feeding on auras and such.  

SO about DA romances  I don't get why two people turning to each other and falling in love in that type of situation is so hard for people to believe.  Obviously you're not going to stop and have sex in the middle of killing, but once all is done and the shakes set in, or after all the stress is gone and you're drained from it, it seems that the emotions would be running very high.

It does make me wonder if the love would endure once the high-stress situation is over, or if part of the whole connection IS the shared situation.  If you fall in love with Alistair on the road, you have mad bunny sex with him at night as a stress reliever -- would it be the same as every night being on satin sheets after a lot of arguing with the bannon? It would probably stay a lot more exciting if he were to stay a gray warden. 

I think my warden will always stay with Zevran in my head canon so they can do the Crow war and keep up on the mad-bunny stress-relief sex