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Abraham_uk wrote...
This episode went on a very risky path and in my mind managed to prevent the Doctor from making that wretched decision. I still view the Doctor as a monster, but an interesting monster. A complex monster. One whose travels I still want to follow.


I find it very hard to take the idea of the Doctor as a monster seriously when the only time we've ever seen him take a life is literally unstoppable psychopathic evil, or having it passed off as someone else's choice. I mean, he's wiped off Daleks and Cybermen like it's no one's business, but they don't count enough for a moral crisis from anyone. Unless you're the 10th doctor, I suppose. 

It is also quite liberating. The Doctor doesn't have to be a squeaky clean hero. The Doctor can get it wrong. The Doctor has got it wrong many times during the series. I'm glad that his fallibility is being explored as opposed to being glossed over.


Getting it wrong is very different from wiping his hands clean. Doctor Who is always about these insane on the fly ideas that keep the doctor from getting his hands dirty - and that's fine. But the Moment goes way, way, beyond that. It was not only an integral aspect of the character for 7 years, but it was literally built into almost every single plotline for the past 7 years. 

The entire New Who conception of the Doctor just falls apart without it. And the idea that the other stuff he did in the Time War still counts clearly doesn't work by the series own logic, because 10th and 11th are quite cool with giving a thumbs up to the War Doctor for deciding against the moment despite ostensibly all this other terrible stuff. 

The Doctor is a time meddler which in and of itself is morally questionable.
Think about it this way. If I went back in time and altered a few events here and there, you'd never have been born. Heck I think I would have caused temporal suicide (some how preventing me from being born too).


The causal chain here is a bit silly. I wouldn't be born - but someone else would. Maybe billions of others who wouldn't otherwise have been.Literally every decision we make can - at some degree of separation - be traced to someone living or dying, but that's not what makes us morally culpable for their living or dying. 

Besides, the show isn't about some abstract time travel morality that absolutely never gets addressed or touched on in any single way in the show. It used to be about the person of person the doctor is, but apparently that person is someone who can be considered an insane war criminal for 40 years but then sudddenly turn into a saviour for not nuking his own home world. 

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OdanUrr wrote...

Earthbound N wrote...

I didn't particularly pick up on this during the episode itself, but now that you've fully spelt it out, it actually does seriously annoy me. I'll be watching it again tonight, and I'll see how I feel after another run through.


Let me know when you do. I'd like to think I wasn't the only one to pick up on this.:unsure:


Well, I've been through again. So, on the one hand, I can respect that Clara is obviously appealing specifically to the Doctor she knows and loves. She trusts him over the others which is understandable.

But damn, it did annoy me listening to what she says more precisely. It does literally come across as her claiming that of the three, only Smith is the one capable of making it right, the true Doctor. Which is rubbish. Tennant is clearly more than a hero and Hurt more than a warrior. Aside from their personality quirks there's very little difference bewtween any of them, even less so after Moffat's tweaking to Tennant's Doctor. So given that Clara has no reason to believe that Smith is a special case, aside from the time he's spent dwelling on the war, it does sound like Moffat breaking the 4th wall and making an unecesary jab at his predecesors creations.

Hard to stay annoyed for long, given the scene that follows and "No, all thirteen!", but yeah, its definitely a problem with it.

Modifié par Earthbound N, 25 novembre 2013 - 01:39 .


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The appearance of the 4th doctor was just a nod to the most popular doctor I thought - being the most popular doctor.

First of all – the focus of story telling on the current doctor is warranted. At the moment he is the doctor, and until regeneration it will be that way.

Secondly, I do not agree in the slightest that Moffat pissed all over the 10th doctor’s incarnation and David Tennant. Seriously, do you people not get it? It’s not just about one incarnation of the doctor it’s about the Doctor. Fans exist across generations, and anyone writing a Dr Who story would know this and respect the modern adaptation as well as its culture roots.

So I’m going to quote this from a really good friend of mine, who happens to be of similar vintage and an Dr Who obsessive from way back:

Tonight's episode was written for fans. For the millions of children and adults who watch this show now and/or years ago. It was written to celebrate 50 years of a story that is loved and very important to so many people. (And I can't think of another show that loved by kids and adults equally.) It was a celebration of everything that makes it so popular. It had in jokes, bad rubber monsters, references to the past, weird British history, cheap fx, answers to questions that have been hanging for years, new questions, impossible dilemmas, catch phrases, complexity that takes multiple viewings to understand, a surprise cameo from the most popular doctor, a new doctor, heartbreaking new knowledge, a hint of the next doctor and - for the first time in ages – it set the new season up with hope for a guy who hasn't had hope for 100s of years.

And to it I add – Yes, there were flaws in the storytelling, it lacked punch in some places and felt more like an everyday episode, but in many other places it delivered, on so many levels.

It was, IMHO, DAMN. GOOD. TV.

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Buggirl70 wrote...

Secondly, I do not agree in the slightest that Moffat pissed all over the 10th doctor’s incarnation and David Tennant. Seriously, do you people not get it? It’s not just about one incarnation of the doctor it’s about the Doctor. Fans exist across generations, and anyone writing a Dr Who story would know this and respect the modern adaptation as well as its culture roots.


I think I laid my arguments already on why I thought Moffat tried to undermine Tennant's character. In some cases, I admit this may have been unintentional, like when he delivers his Time Lord speech to the rabbit, but in the case of Clara's speech I don't think it can be considered anything but. And I do "get it," that's why I'm so miffed that Moffat doesn't. Hurt, Tennant, and Smith, are all the Doctor, not just Smith. The speech Clara delivered was unfair to all of them, particularly Matt because Moffat is, yet again, telling us he's the Doctor instead of letting Matt show us in his own right.

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You asked for Flames OdanUrr!!

Moffat is a fan from the time of Hartnell, he even recalls his distress as a child of the changeover from Hartnell to Troughton. He aimed to write the story in the style of the original work from the 60's, a more traditional approach to the character of the Doctor. The earliest episode is heavily referenced throughout as are so many of the classic moments from all the doctors. He may have done Tennant a disservice in your eyes, but I didn't see it. He was servicing the tradition of what the Doctor is - never cruel, never cowardly. Never give in, never give up. I loved the speech to the rabbit and the reference it came from. I saw nothing but reverence in that. I've watched it twice and I still don't think I've picked up all the references.

Oh and I love the round things. And John Hurt (he was just too brilliant)

And Clara says to Smith - 'Be A Doctor' not 'Be THE Doctor'. Huge difference there.

I would thoroughly recommend that people watch 'An adventure in space and time' a docudrama about how the series actually got started, how they wanted the character to be. It also has an incredibly poignant portrayal of William Hartnell by David Bradley (better known as Argus Filch in Harry Potter and his recent part as Walder Frey in GOT - also alongside David Tennant in Broadchurch.)

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I just watched the Five(ish) Doctor Reboot and I couldn't stop smiling. It really is brilliantly done and I love all the many many familiar faces that popped up.
If you haven't watched it I highly recommend it
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As for the 50th itself, yes Clara's speech was heavily in favor of Smith but what did you expect? She is the companion of the 11th, not the 10th and not of Hurt. The 11th is the only doctor she truly knows (yes, she did meet every other doctor in existance with the whole time steam thingy but those were glancing looks). She traveled with the 11th, knowns his personality, he is her friend, ofcourse she will be in his favor..

I loved the episode, it was a true anniversary special boatloaded with references to both the classic and the new series. Tom Baker, his scarf, the rabbit speech, the redecoration of the Tardis, the board with the Doctors known associates,  the 'ding' machine, Arthur the horse and Queen Elizabeth, Captain Jack Harkness' death, Coal Hill school, Hurts final words and ofcourse the intro/title, the mere appearance of all the Doctors and these are just a few of the things I recall this very moment.

I agree with Buggirl. No, it wasn't perfect but it was damn good televison. Every director has his own touch but I wouldn't say that Moffat ruined Tennant.

And the Doctor will change now that he knows Gallifrey didn't die, as was said; there is hope. But this does not mean that all is actions after that are now in vain, The Daleks still tried to destroy the Time Lords, there are still threats enough to the universe and while the Doctor didn't kill the TIme Lords he did cut them off from the universe, a fate that is not much better.


And I leave you all with these words, these lyrics that I found appropriate after the special:

Carry on my wayward son 
There’ll be peace when you are done 
Lay your weary head to rest 
Don’t you cry
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Buggirl70 wrote...

You asked for Flames OdanUrr!!

Moffat is a fan from the time of Hartnell, he even recalls his distress as a child of the changeover from Hartnell to Troughton. He aimed to write the story in the style of the original work from the 60's, a more traditional approach to the character of the Doctor. The earliest episode is heavily referenced throughout as are so many of the classic moments from all the doctors. He may have done Tennant a disservice in your eyes, but I didn't see it. He was servicing the tradition of what the Doctor is - never cruel, never cowardly. Never give in, never give up. I loved the speech to the rabbit and the reference it came from. I saw nothing but reverence in that. I've watched it twice and I still don't think I've picked up all the references.

Oh and I love the round things. And John Hurt (he was just too brilliant)

And Clara says to Smith - 'Be A Doctor' not 'Be THE Doctor'. Huge difference there.

I would thoroughly recommend that people watch 'An adventure in space and time' a docudrama about how the series actually got started, how they wanted the character to be. It also has an incredibly poignant portrayal of William Hartnell by David Bradley (better known as Argus Filch in Harry Potter and his recent part as Walder Frey in GOT - also alongside David Tennant in Broadchurch.)


We'll have to agree to disagree. I haven't watched any of the Classic Who episodes so I undoubtedly missed plenty of references.

In other news, I just found an article that's quite interesting. The gist of it is that Smith's Doctor is neither the Eleventh nor the Twelfth Doctor but rather the Thirteenth. This is because Tennant used one of his regenerations in the episode "Journey's End," what seems likely given Moffat's earlier admission that we all missed something. This would mean Moffat will have to concoct some way to either reboot or expand the numer of available regenerations. Here's the article in question:

Doctor Who's regeneration history may be more insane than you thought

A couple more things in regards to the 50th Anniversary Special. How come every Doctor, all thirteen of them, were working on the problem of saving Gallifrey when only some of them are aware of the Time War? Unless I'm mistaken none of the Doctors before the Eighth know of the Time War so why should they had been running any calculations?

The second thing, and this might be a clue, is why are there no Doctors beyond Capaldi's? The special clearly states there are only thirteen Doctors around Gallifrey (what in light of the article could be false but we'll see) with Capaldi's being the last. Why aren't Doctors Fourteenth, Fifteenth, Sixteenth, and beyond also present? I mean, I could have understood if the list stopped with Matt's since his Doctor "finished the calculation" in a sense, but if Capaldi's Doctor is also present, then why not his subsequent regenerations? I know there's the twelve-regenerations restriction but we all know Moffat's going to work his way around that.

Food for thought.

EDIT: Just throwing this random thought out there. In light of the 50th, if Gallifrey is stuck in a parallel universe and the Doctor intends to go there, could it be possible that his regenerations' counter will be reset when he gets there?

EDIT 2: Watched "An adventure in space and time." Loved Matt's appearance at the end.:)

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Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:04 .


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By the by, the Christmas special will be called, "The Time of the Doctor."

That was certainly inspired.

Here's a cool pic to get you in the mood:

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@Abraham

I personally think The Doctor is simply a little bit crazy.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

@Abraham

I personally think The Doctor is simply a little bit crazy.



I have an idea.:wizard:

We can have a crazy Peter Capaldi Doctor who indulges in the music of Elton John during his free time.
Oh and a cameo from Elton John would be nice.<3


As for the costume for Capaldi, imagine a cross between  Paul McGann costume and William Hartnell costume. In other words gothic victorian with a modern edge.

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Modifié par Abraham_uk, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:08 .


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As long as I get some Malcolm Tucker references.

I mean as Malcolm Tucker he once said, "There's nothing you know that I don't know;I'm Doctor *expletive* Who"

How brilliantly beautiful is that?

Modifié par LPPrince, 26 novembre 2013 - 01:34 .


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LPPrince wrote...

As long as I get some Malcolm Tucker references.

I mean as Malcolm Tucker he once said, "There's nothing you know that I don't know;I'm Doctor *expletive* Who"

How brilliantly beautiful is that?


Sadly because Dr Who is a children show you can't have swearing.

I find that strange. There is quite a bit of killing and even the odd genocide here and there.
When you think about it, Dr Who is a pretty dark (sometimes political) show with a lot of content that isn't suitable for children. Is expletives really that big a stretch?

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It doesn't need expletives to have Malcolm Tucker references. Hell, even a line about how deplorable it would be to swear as The Doctor, along with a knowing look towards the screen, would be GOLD.

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LPPrince wrote...

It doesn't need expletives to have Malcolm Tucker references. Hell, even a line about how deplorable it would be to swear as The Doctor, along with a knowing look towards the screen, would be GOLD.


LPPrince, there is a funny video I'd like to show you.:P

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Without even clicking on it I bet its the video of Malcolm Tucker quotes interspersed into Doctor Who clips.

Oh nope, never mind. Different video. Lets see if this one's as funny.

Yep. Yes it was. rofl

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You dont need swearing - case in point, one look from Capaldi's doctor near the end of the special you knew he was thinking "f******g Dalek t**ts, I'll f*****g nut you with my Tardis"

One look!

I'm super curious about how they're going to explain the Doctor's regeneration after reading that article.

Modifié par Buggirl70, 27 novembre 2013 - 12:15 .


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Buggirl70 wrote...

You dont need swearing - case in point, one look from Capaldi's doctor near the end of the special you knew he was thinking "f******g Dalek t**ts, I'll f*****g nut you with my Tardis"

One look!



Personally I'm glad there isn't any cursing in Doctor Who. Whenever I hear swearing in a film or TV show, I can't help but laugh.

That said, I do find it odd that people have this attitude that covering mass murder and in some cases showing murder is acceptable when swearing isn't. Yes Dr Who has mass murder.

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I guess its the same scenario as sex and violence. Violence seems to be far more acceptable than a little skin.

Also in this instance, murders are often implied. You dont see the gore and more often than not the camera will pan away from the actual event.

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Just want to say "The Night of the Doctor" mini-episode was simply the best. Dare I say better then "The Day of the Doctor"? I dare.^_^

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Siradix wrote...

Just want to say "The Night of the Doctor" mini-episode was simply the best. Dare I say better then "The Day of the Doctor"? I dare.^_^

Too short to be as good.  But not bad at all.

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Permission to propose a controversial idea.


Peter Capaldi is the 13th and final Doctor.
Then after a hiatus the show is rebooted with a brand new canon starting with a William Hartnell esque doctor taking over.

Perhaps the next generation of Doctor Who it takes place in a parallel universe.
Oh the possibilities...

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Abraham_uk wrote...

Permission to propose a controversial idea.


Peter Capaldi is the 13th and final Doctor.
Then after a hiatus the show is rebooted with a brand new canon starting with a William Hartnell esque doctor taking over.

Perhaps the next generation of Doctor Who it takes place in a parallel universe.
Oh the possibilities...


1) I think it's already been confirmed Matt's Doctor is the 13th Doctor because Tennant's used two regenerations.

2) You mean like what I proposed above?:lol:

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Aye, people are saying that Smith is not the 11th but really the 13th, because the Meta Crisis Doctor that went to be with Rose counts.

If so, the order would be-

1. William Hartnell
2. Patrick Troughton
3. Jon Pertwee
4. Tom Baker
5. Peter Davison
6. Colin Baker
7. Sylvestor McCoy
8. Paul McGann
9. John Hurt
10. Christopher Eccleston
11. David Tennant
12. Meta Crisis David Tennant
13. Matt Smith
14. Peter Capaldi

Which would be interesting, if so.

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OdanUrr

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LPPrince wrote...

Aye, people are saying that Smith is not the 11th but really the 13th, because the Meta Crisis Doctor that went to be with Rose counts.

If so, the order would be-

1. William Hartnell
2. Patrick Troughton
3. Jon Pertwee
4. Tom Baker
5. Peter Davison
6. Colin Baker
7. Sylvestor McCoy
8. Paul McGann
9. John Hurt
10. Christopher Eccleston
11. David Tennant
12. Meta Crisis David Tennant
13. Matt Smith
14. Peter Capaldi

Which would be interesting, if so.


Yup, and like I said before, why is Capaldi the last Doctor to show up to save Gallifrey? What happens to the Doctor's subsequent regenerations?

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Is this 12 regeneration rule an absolute or is it an average?

Maybe some Time Lords get 25, whereas others only get 5.
So on average Time Lords get 12 regenerations perhaps?

If the rule is an average, the show doesn't have to make up space magic reasons for the Doctor exceeding 12, or reboot the series JJ Abrams style.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 28 novembre 2013 - 12:04 .