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[Sifr]

I actually like the convolution of Moffat's run because you never know what he's going to pull next and going back, you can see things he's set up way in advance of things later. Going back and watching "Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead", you'll notice that River drops a ton of arc words and references to the events of Series 5 that at that point, were still over 2 years from being written and broadcast.

 

While Moffat sometimes go a little too much into the lore, it's better than the sheer lack of references to the old series that you got in RTD's run, who tended to have more soap-opera style writing that seemed to be made up as he went along. And when you stop and look at terms of foreshadowing and pay off, the Tenth Doctor's regeneration being tied into something vague that he heard from a random psychic woman he met on a bus really comes off as pretty damned silly in retrospect, as well as the pay off to the Doctor's severed hand when it came to the Metacrisis Doctor and Doctor-Donna.

 

_{(Incidentally, I loved the Eleventh's casual dismissive comment in "Time of the Doctor" that he (stupidly) went and wasted an entire regeneration simply to keep the same face because he had "vanity issues" at the time. As much as I loved the Tenth Doctor, his wasting a regeneration and his later reluctance to regenerate in "End of Time" was definitely less about wanting to die and more about wanting to remain a suave babe-magnet who got all the chicks).}

[Abraham_uk]

I actually like the convolution of Moffat's run because you never know what he's going to pull next and going back, you can see things he's set up way in advance of things later. Going back and watching "Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead", you'll notice that River drops a ton of arc words and references to the events of Series 5 that at that point, were still over 2 years from being written and broadcast.

 

While Moffat sometimes go a little too much into the lore, it's better than the sheer lack of references to the old series that you got in RTD's run, who tended to have more soap-opera style writing that seemed to be made up as he went along. And when you stop and look at terms of foreshadowing and pay off, the Tenth Doctor's regeneration being tied into something vague that he heard from a random psychic woman he met on a bus really comes off as pretty damned silly in retrospect, as well as the pay off to the Doctor's severed hand when it came to the Metacrisis Doctor and Doctor-Donna.

 

_{(Incidentally, I loved the Eleventh's casual dismissive comment in "Time of the Doctor" that he (stupidly) went and wasted an entire regeneration simply to keep the same face because he had "vanity issues" at the time. As much as I loved the Tenth Doctor, his wasting a regeneration and his later reluctance to regenerate in "End of Time" was definitely less about wanting to die and more about wanting to remain a suave babe-magnet who got all the chicks).}

 

 

I wish my metacrisis involved clone versions of myself.

No, come to think of it, I'd rather they didn't.

One me is enough thank you.

 

 

Jokes aside. There seems to be a lot more to discuss with Moffat. There are a lot of mysteries, a lot of payoffs and plenty more mysteries round the corner. However none of this means anything without very good writing. Moffat also excels at that. He represents some of the best aspects of New Who. So yes I did come down way to hard on him for all the convolution.

[Sifr]

It's not to say that all of RTD's run was bad and everything in Moffat's is golden, my main problem with RTD's run is probably the major character derailment in Series 2 and 3 suffered by Rose and the Tenth Doctor.

 

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Unlike the Ninth Doctor, who wasn't afraid to call Rose out when she did something particular stupid or selfish, the Tenth coddled her to the point where she became downright unsufferable at times in Series 2. Instead of growing up and wanting to be a better person like in "The Parting of the Ways", did anyone else think that over the course of Series 2 she became increasingly petty, jealous and possessive around the Doctor? (Especially around other women).

 

And the Doctor's wangsty depression over losing Rose in Series 3 came across as a little out-of-character, since he'd watched loads of companions come and go over the years, so aside from wanting to shag her, what made this one so special? It also didn't help to have him moping and immediately getting a rebound companion in the form of Martha, who was already poorly written and concieved to boot.

 

This is probably why Donna was a refreshing change because she wasn't in love with him and wasn't afraid to call him out on his actions. The shaggy-dog story ending of Donna's story where basically her entire character development and arc is given the reset button, always bothered me and I can understand why River was so upset for her. It was a waste of a great character to have everything amount to basically nothing at the end.

 

If i have to criticise anything about Moffat's run, it's sometimes that his eagerness to write something memorable leads to some plotholes being glossed over, which is especially a problem when it came to "Angels in Manhattan" and "The Time of the Doctor".

 

Spoiler

In "Angels in Manhattan", he has admitted that he set out intentionally wanting to kill Amy and Rory off, yet the episode itself had tons of ways they could have had an out instead of being marooned in the past. E.g. They could have lied and put a fake tombstone? If the Doctor can't go to Manhattan in '38, just wait a year and pick them up somewhere else?

 

And what about their parents (poor Brian) left behind, which was addressed in the previous episode?! It was worse they never filmed "P.S." which was a touching end for Rory and him saying goodbye to his father, which really felt like it really should have been part of the episode.

 

Personally, I didn't see why we needed to kill them off anyway or even have them back for Series 7, since I was quite fine with their exit at the end of Series 6, where they'd felt like they had come to a quite natural close with the characters anyway. In "The Power of Three" and "Angels in Manhattan" we see them questioning if they want to continue travelling with the Doctor as they'd gotten older? Yes... didn't we already establish that and have them leave before for that very reason in "The God Complex" and "The Wedding of River Song"?

 

All he did was give us six episodes dedicated to wrapping up a story that was already over and wasting time that could have been done fleshing out Clara in the present day. Despite being a fun and enjoyable companon, Clara's often regarded as having a very weak first year in the TARDIS where the plot spent more time focussing on the Doctor thinking "WTF?" instead of showing us who she is. Until recently, I actually preferred her Victorian incarnation who seemed way more interesting and fleshed out in her sole appearance, than Clara was in the entirely of Series 7.5.

 

As for "Time of the Doctor", unlike altering a fixed point like in "Day of the Doctor" where the Doctor got around it by faking the destruction of Gallifrey for the rest of the universe and thus "preserving" history, the Doctor avoiding death on Trenzalore begs a ton of questions about whether the Timelords intervention from the pocket universe are responsible for preventing any of the resultant paradoxes? Did any of "The Name of the Doctor" now happen, how did Clara enter his timestream if that future was averted, or will the Doctor's death at Trenzalore now just happen in an further future?

 

/End Rant

[BadgerladDK]

I'm totally baffled by the Donna love in this thread, so I went to the interwebs to see if I was alone in finding her super annoying. Seems it was predicted some would react that way. I almost skipped ahead to when she was done, but stuck with it.

 

"Executive producer Russell T Davies at one time dismissed Donna's potential as an ongoing companion due to her abrasive personality, saying that "she'd get on your nerves".

 

She did, Russel, she really did.

[Sifr]

I'm totally baffled by the Donna love in this thread, so I went to the interwebs to see if I was alone in finding her super annoying. Seems it was predicted some would react that way. I almost skipped ahead to when she was done, but stuck with it.

 

"Executive producer Russell T Davies at one time dismissed Donna's potential as an ongoing companion due to her abrasive personality, saying that "she'd get on your nerves".

 

She did, Russel, she really did.

 

Donna was definitely annoying in "The Runaway Bride", which is when RTD said the above quote about why she'd be a terrible companion. However she was a lot more developed and toned down by the time she rejoined the Doctor. She was still a tad abrasive and outspoken, sure, but you got to see a lot more depth to her than the shallow, shrill harpy of a woman that she was when we first met her.

 

Companion-wise, Martha had the most interesting character arc in Series 4, far more than Rose and Martha's inclusion.

 

Rose's return and the mystery behind it wasn't particularly interesting once you found out what the deal with it was and the Metacrisis nonsense just so she could have her happy-ever-after ending with a version of the Doctor was pretty lame.

 

Martha had a good reason to be in the Sontaran episodes since it made sense that she'd join UNIT, but her inclusion in "The Doctor's Daughter" felt pretty shoehorned in and didn't really tell us anything we couldn't already figure out, that the fish-people weren't really bad guys and the war was just down to simple racism and distrust on both sides. And since she spent most of the episode alone with the fish-guy anyway, you could have cut her out of that episode and not lost anything important in terms of story?

 

Sure Donna's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, but she was far from the worst thing in Series 4, at least in my view.

[Abraham_uk]

Yeah I can see why Dona is disliked by some.

Her first ever appearance is the epitome of everything people disliked about said character.

 

However her annoyingness (at least for me) was toned down and I got to know her character a lot better.

She is a great companion who isn't afraid to challenge the Doctor.

She can be at times naive, at times a little selfish, but always has her heart in the right place.

Also she helps the Doctor save the day multiple times.

 

A world where Donna Noble never helped out the Doctor. Well we get to see that alternate reality in a truly fantastic episode.

I would mind more "else world" type stories in Dr Who, because "Turn Left" was incredible. Sure Rose's appearance was unnecessary, but the rest of that episode was great.

 

P.s. if things got really bad in the UK (in real life), would the government really resort to a final solution? It was never explicitly stated in Turn Left but you see a bunch of ethnic minorities being rounded up in military trucks and Donna's family crying. I hope this doesn't happen in real life. Anyway, I loved that episode!

[Abraham_uk]

My Personal Top Ten New Who Episodes

 

You're probably thinking "Ugh. You said that you loved Stephen Moffat more than Russel T Davis". I did. But Davies at his best had more entries worthy of the top 10 in my personal opinion. Stephen Moffat had less annoying episodes. I particularly did not like either of the appearances of the Master despite the Epic Timelord being played by John Simm. I wasn't a fan of any of his alien invasion stories, or his slitherine stories.

 

So yes I still maintain that I prefer Stephen Moffat overall. That doesn't mean that T Davies is without credit. He did plenty of great episodes.

 

10: Turn Left

9: Midnight

8: Enter The Dalek

7: Silence In The Library (both parts)

6: Dalek (the first appearance in New Who)

5: The God Complex

4: Hollow Child

3: Don't Blink

2:  Dr Who 50th Anniversary: Day of The Doctor (I know many of you don't like this episode but this is my list)

1:Waters of Mars (Just pure epicness)

 

 

My Top 10 Classic Who Stories: (If you thought my New Who Top 10 was controversial wait till you see my Top 10 Classic Who stories).

 

10: Curse of Fenric (Ugh really? Yes. Really!) 

9:  The Entire N Space: (exciting new worlds. Exciting stories. I love it)

8: Trial of A Timelord (Oh I can feel the hatred right now)

7: Earthshock

6: Invasion

5: Tomb of The Cybermen

4: Unearthly Child (sure nothing much happens but without this episode there'd be no Dr Who)

3: The 5 Doctors: Fun, fun and yet more fun. I love it!

2: City of Death

1: Genesis of the Daleks

 

You're probably thinking ugh you're such a Tom Baker fanboy.

Yep. I sure am.

 

 

There is no objective reason for me to love these. I just do. They're my personal favourites.

[BadgerladDK]

I am utterly terrible with remembering episode titles, and most I've only seen once so they sort of blend together (case in point, the one that got me hooked as mentioned a page back was not "Journey to the centre of the Tardis", but "The Name of the Doctor".) With that in mind, I can't be bothered to sit down and dig through episode guides to make a list. Generally, I like most stuff dealing with the Victorian crew, Cybermen and those damned weeping angels. Controversially... Not a Dalek fan.

 

Back to current events: Time Heist was goddamned awesome. But then, I'm a heist movie fan, so that was a given.

[Abraham_uk]

I am utterly terrible with remembering episode titles, and most I've only seen once so they sort of blend together (case in point, the one that got me hooked as mentioned a page back was not "Journey to the centre of the Tardis", but "The Name of the Doctor".) With that in mind, I can't be bothered to sit down and dig through episode guides to make a list. Generally, I like most stuff dealing with the Victorian crew, Cybermen and those damned weeping angels. Controversially... Not a Dalek fan.

 

Back to current events: Time Heist was goddamned awesome. But then, I'm a heist movie fan, so that was a given.

 

 

High five!

I loved that episode.

 

However it's another story I can't really talk about without "SPOILER" warnings.

 

Spoiler

 

I know this is a spoiler section, but I know that people who haven't seen the episode are going to read the spoilers anyway.

So I'll try to keep this spoiler free if possible.

 

One of the rare times that the Doctor planned ahead.

It was an intelligent elaborate plan that led to some interesting concepts and some good plot twists.

 

I loved the two new companions. I just wish I could have known them better.

I loved the Teller. Creepy, scary and alien looking.

I also felt that the villain had great presence.

 

The episode was fast paced and unlike some of the other episodes in the Moffat era, I didn't have to strain my grey matter to hard to understand what was going on.

 

Intelligent and thrilling episode that went in directions I didn't expect.

 

 

 

On a less that positive note.

I am not a fan of the let's fire Steven Moffat petition. It really irks me.

I feel like these kind of petitions have the potential to make television and film industries hostile towards those who work in them.

Criticising these people is okay, but asking someone to be sacked when they haven't done anything morally reprehensible seems too far.

 

I would like a serious discussion about Moffat.

I would like to discuss his flaws. Sure I really do love his writing, but he has made a lot of mistakes too.

However if this discussion goes into the mean spirited "he must be sacked" territory then I'm out.

[Eternal Phoenix]

I like this new doctor. He's quite cold at times. The two others before him were eccentric and silly so I think it's good that this version of him is more darker even if still somewhat eccentric in his own right. He's good at heart but has a cold plated exterior and so far, he hasn't even expressed sympathy for anyone's death.
 
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And lol at that petition. Steven Moffat is a better writer than Russell T Davis if you ask me. One of the second most liked comments from that petition reads:
 
"I'd like a show-runner who doesn't pander to the white, cis, male gaze as Moffat does. His Mary Sue characterisations are one-dimensional and annoying. I can do without the sexism, rascism, and bigotry."
 
This a joke right? I've never seen bigotry of any sort from any episode of Doctor Who and they certainly don't pander to the "white male gaze." Since the revival there's been so many characters of different races and sexuality in the show including in Moffat's episodes. Are half of these petitioners from tumblr or something? I called foul as soon as I saw the mention of "feminists are offended" in the petition.
 
Next people will be telling me Dragon Age panders only to the "white, cis male gaze" lol.

"The sexism, homophobia and transphobia in the moffat era has made watching the show an awful duty (to keep up with the timeline until the next show director is hired) in stead of the enjoyable experience it used to be."
 
I've not missed a single episode since the revival so I must be watching another show altogether as I've seen none of this...
 
I've noticed plot holes in some of Moffat's episodes but I enjoy the more complicated story-lines for some of the episodes he does. Also, the show is made with a family audience in mind so Doctor Who will never have the flair of a show simply pandering to one audience. It's made to keep both adults and children alike interested and I can imagine that's no easy task building something complicated for the adults and yet something to keep the children entertained. I found some of Davies' episodes a bore especially most of the ones with Eccleston. Asides from plot holes, I think Moffat's doing a good job so far.

I disagree with those criticisms about Moffat's writing for The Doctor making him out to be a one-dimensional character who kills without thinking. The Doctor certainly seems more likely to kill but still mostly tries to reason with his opponents and I think it's more believable that he flinches less at people's death having seen so much of it in his life-time to be used to it. Capaldi's doctor seems to have great depth. He still does what is right but has a darker nature and even doubts himself denying the title of "hero" when Robin Hood says he's one. Matt Lucas' doctor also had depth with his eccentric personality he sometimes uses to hide behind so I have no idea what those criticisms in that petition are talking about.

[Abraham_uk]

I love Moffat too.

 

High five.

There were some criticisms that I kind of overlooked.

 

Okay I can't be bothered to list them so here is a person who does a good job of this.

I have done this in the spoiler section, not just because of the spoilers but also because of the gratuitous amount of hyperlinks which are obnoxious to look at.

 

Spoiler

 

Please note that Claudia isn't in the "lets fire Moffat" camp.

She thoroughly enjoyed Series 5 (the first of the Moffat Era) and she does like much of the current series.

 

 

 

 

 

So on one hand there is some insensitive moments along with some plot holes.

However, he has produced some of the cleverest episodes.

He is wacky, really intelligent and has some high concept ideas.

[Abraham_uk]

Okay. Most recent episode.

 

Spoiler

 

Umm. It's good.

It is more of a character development episode.

So if you want to know a little bit more about the relationships between Clara, Danny and the Doctor this episode is for you.

If you want a menacing race against time, not really what the episode is about.

 

It's good to slow down from time to time and explore the characters a little.

This episode feels like it belongs in the Russell T Davis era. Which isn't always a bad thing.

Clara Oswald and Danny Pink feel like real characters.

 

As for the Doctor. Like in Robot's of Sherwood, they really amped up the Doctors grumpy attitude.

I prefer Capaldi in the other episodes. He had the right balance for me, but here... Capaldi's incarnation of the Doctor is already funny. Stop trying to make him funny. He is inherently funny. You don't have to caricature a character who is already William Hartnell meets Malcolm Tucker with a heavy dose of crazy. He's fine as he is, no need to exaggerate an already larger than life character.

 

I enjoyed the episode. It was a fun little romp. Not quite as entertaining as the silly Evil Headmaster episode (where Sarah Jane Smith, Rose, Doctor and Mickey all joined forces to fight an evil headmaster), but it was good. The evil threat doesn't always have to take centre stage.

 

 

Also Chris Addison and Peter Capaldi in the same episode.

Oh please make these two meet up so that Peter Capaldi can shout at Chris Addison like the good old days!!!

 

 

 

In short if you like Russell T Davies era of Dr Who (you know with the heavy focus on character development and paper thin plots) you'll love this episode.

If you are more into the Steven Moffat era of Dr Who (with all of the high concept ideas, convoluted plotlines and character development being less important) you'll be disappointed.

 

Personally I love both directions so this episode was actually quite enjoyable. I feel that Russell does these kinds of episodes better but it was still a good episode.

[thevaleyard]

Spoiler

I really liked this episode as well. I'm glad they didn't write Danny as the Tin Dog 2.0.

 

[Eternal Phoenix]

Yeah, I thought the latest episode was good too.

[Abraham_uk]

Spoiler

I really liked this episode as well. I'm glad they didn't write Danny as the Tin Dog 2.0.

 

 

 

But I liked K9 

[thevaleyard]

But I liked K9 

 

I was referring to Mickey

[Abraham_uk]

This question contains spoilers. Well not really.

I mean, if you consider this a spoiler then you must really loathe the end of episode trailers for the following episodes.

I'll go as far as saying the trailers are more spoilerific than the spoilers below.

 

Spoiler

 

You know the character who was introduced in The Caretaker?

Taylor Courtney.

 

Is she going to be the next Dr Who Companion?

Like Amy and Clara, the Doctor has met them as children.

Then jumps years later when they're young adults.

 

Please don't do this again. That's creepy...

You know what? This is New Who so that will happen. Creepy Doctor!

 

[Sifr]

This question contains spoilers. Well not really.

I mean, if you consider this a spoiler then you must really loathe the end of episode trailers for the following episodes.

I'll go as far as saying the trailers are more spoilerific than the spoilers below.

 

Spoiler

 

You know the character who was introduced in The Caretaker?

Taylor Courtney.

 

Is she going to be the next Dr Who Companion?

Like Amy and Clara, the Doctor has met them as children.

Then jumps years later when they're young adults.

 

Please don't do this again. That's creepy...

You know what? This is New Who so that will happen. Creepy Doctor!

 

 

I can't see her as being a companion.

 

Spoiler

Clara and Danny seem to think she's the most annoying child they've ever dealt with, a sentiment I completely agree with. She reminds me a lot of Angie from "Nightmare in Silver" who was just as obnoxious as a character and who I found somewhat grating to watch. Unless they jumped ahead several years and she mellows out significantly, I'd probably get very tired of her, very quickly.

 

It's not to say that companions can't have an attitude (Donna) or be rebellious (gods bless you, Ace), but so far we've not see any depth to her character aside from those two character traits, so I just can't see her as being companion material (yet). Of course, there is a precedent for having teenagers on the TARDIS, right from the beginning with Susan, which would be in keeping with the ton of First Doctor references this series is doing.

 

Of course, the problem with having a teenager on board is you run the risk of turning them into another Adric.

 

Really, I think the Doctor only invited her onboard because he was bored and Clara was too busy "playing Doctor" with Danny to help dispose of the robot.

[Abraham_uk]

Spoiler

 

Turns out I was right about Taylor Courtney.

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

There does seem to be a theme with this series.

Nearly every episode is like some other episode.

 

 

Deep Breath: Okay that one references past episodes.

Into The Dalek: Dalek. Into The Dalek was a great homage to this episode.

Robots of Sherwood: There was an old Jon Pertwee story where he fought robots in medieval times.

Time Heist: Okay that one is unexplored territory for Dr Who.

Caretaker: There was a New Who episode that involved Sarah Jane Smith, K9 and an evil Headmaster. This episode tried to deliver a Russell T Davis style character development story. It was pretty good, though a bit rough round the edges.

Kill The Moon: Reminds me of Waters of Mars.

 

 

 

Okay. Comparisons out of the way. Yes episodes are going to be similar to previous ones. It's an inevitability when a show runs this long. So when I say this episode is a bit like some other episode that is not a criticism. It's an observation. It would only be a criticism if every episode was exactly the same.

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

Okay now to the review.

 

I loved this episode. It reminds me of Waters of Mars in a good way.

 

 

Let's look at the check list.

 

 

Doctor has a speech about points in time that will excuse his actions (or in this case inactions): Check

We are on a planet/moon with a threat that kills off astronauts: Check

The Doctor is called out for treating humans as little people: Check

There is a creepy horror atmosphere: Check

There is some kind of dilemma: Check

There is a key historical event in the future: Check

There is an awesome strong female astronaut: Check 

 

 

Okay so this episodes ticks a lot of boxes. This episode is every bit as good as the previous one except in terms of atmosphere.

The Water zombies were very frightening. The idea that a single drop of water could turn you into a zombie is just a frightening thought.

In this episode we have spider like bacteria. Hmm.

 

 

The dilemma was the one part of the episode that I thought was done better.

It was interesting seeing the Doctor leaving his companions behind to make a huge choice.

 

My other thoughts were. Taylor Courtney wasn't needed. She was surprisingly not all that annoying. Though I felt the writers couldn't make their mind up between petrified little girl and annoying trouble maker. So they opted for both. I wished they had gone all the way with the petrified little girl especially given that this is a "Doctor gets it wrong" episode. Instead of Taylor Courtney becoming a powerful figure in the future I would have rather she never got over the event and even committed suicide. Too dark? Well I feel it is consistent with the tone of the episode.

 

The creatures weren't all that frightening.

 

 

Okay. You're thinking this is all bad. I do love the interactions between the characters. I loved the moment when humanity turned off the lights. The dilemma was amazing. Also I loved Peter Capaldi in this episode because the writers got the balance right. There was also a nice Danny and Clara moment at the end.

 

 

Really good episode. I hope that the series continues to be challenging and thought provoking.

 

 

 

 

 

If you haven't read any of the spoilers, then know this. I really enjoyed this episode.

Episodes like this are why I love the Steven Moffat era so much. Keep it up!

[Liamv2]

So how scary are the spiders? I really don't like spiders.

[Abraham_uk]

So how scary are the spiders? I really don't like spiders.

 

 

They're scarier in real life.

On screen they don't bother me too much because I know they can't creep all over me and bite me.

I'm so glad I live in the UK. No tarantulas aside from the occasional individual that keeps them as pets.

[Liamv2]

I'm fine with little spiders but big spiders *shudder*

[Abraham_uk]

Spoiler

 

So imagine Taylor Courtney being a companion...

Oh wait.

 

She wasn't as annoying as I thought she would be.

There was another episode with kid companions that got on my nerves.

It involved genocide and Warren Davis...

 

Thankfully Taylor had moments where she acted like a real frightened human being.

 

[Sifr]

This episode kind of bugged me (excuse the unintentional pun), because the moral dilemma was really great but ended up being resolved in a really easy manner. While I've not been a fan of Courtney thus far and she really didn't do anything in this episode that warranted her inclusion (seriously, what would have been different if she wasn't there), she was the probably the least annoying part of this episode.

 

My real problem with this episode was Clara and how once again, she is always right.

 

Spoiler

In this episode, she bets the entire future of the human race on the wild hunch that having a moon-sized Cloverfield monster hatch in orbit wouldn't be such of a bad thing, despite we know that it's covered in hostile parasites that if they got on Earth, would cause chaos. Furthermore, she's arguing that it's wrong to sacrifice a unique lifeform, essentially ignoring that billions of people on Earth have been suffering major problems because of this thing hatching.

 

Furthermore, Clara talks down to the astronaut who is completely right that sometimes you have to make unfair decisions in life. The astronaut admits doesn't want to kill this thing, but she felt that she had to because she's seen the destruction that this thing has caused, the millions affected (and possibly killed) and the towns and cities flooded. She's also right that we live on a precious, fragile blue marble and it's the only home we have at this point, so even inf the lifeform isn't hostile, the moon shattering into pieces could hit the Earth and wipe us out anyway.

 

It's frankly condescending for Clara to treat her as the bad guy, when Clara's just waltzed into this situation at the last minute and gets to saunter on her way back to her own "safe" time afterwards and not live with the consequences, whatever they might be.

 

In many ways, it's much like her objection to the War, Tenth and Eleventh Doctor's decision to once again sacrifice Gallifrey in "Day of the Doctor" and convincing them to try a lucidicrous and far-fetched plan to save the planet. As awesome as that sequence was, it completely undermined the powerful message that sometimes you don't have a choice in life. It's a hard lesson to learn, but one that's worth learning. Heck, even the Tenth Doctor understood this in "Fires of Pompeii", when he was forced to trigger the eruption of Vesuvius and wiped out an entire city for the sake of humanity's future.

 

I'm not saying that killing the space-creature was the right thing to do, but it bothered me that their "correct" solution was based on sketchy logic and wild speculations from a bunch of ill-informed people, rather than any of the cold, hard facts that were presented to them by someone who's seen this crisis from the beginning.

 

Even the Doctor's final logic that "It wouldn't harm it's nest" seems far-fetched as the only thing it needed from Earth was a place to park itself. Furthermore, most newborns wake up hungry, it might have followed that whatever creature layed it did so because as the only life-bearing planet nearby, Earth is an all-you-can-eat buffet for it's offspring.

 

Basically, the ending was a huge cop-out for me.

 

I don't hate Clara, but her character hasn't been really handled that well thus far.

 

The entire mystery about her as the "Impossible Girl" had a dull explanation and she's got zero in the way of any major character flaws, so it's very hard to relate to her half the time. At the moment, her burgeoning, slightly tumultuous relationship with Danny is the only thing that's keeping her marginally interesting.

[Liamv2]

Clara is just really boring she's my biggest problem with the series right now. Tbh all the characters even the doctor have been rather bland lately. They have their moments but are just kinda meh neither hateable (except Pink I really don't like him) or likeable just there.