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[Sifr]

Clara is just really boring she's my biggest problem with the series right now. Tbh all the characters even the doctor have been rather bland lately. They have their moments but are just kinda meh neither hateable (except Pink I really don't like him) or likeable just there.

 

Given how fast she moved onto Danny, I sometimes think Vastra was right on the money when she accused Clara of only being with the Eleventh Doctor because he was handsome and she could pretend he was her boyfriend, a fantasy that got ruined when Twelve ended up being a lot older. Her angry tirade at Vastra certainly made it sound like it had hit a nerve somewhere and was something Clara didn't want to admit to herself as being probably true.

 

I've liked Twelve thus far, but his rudeness towards Danny for being a former soldier, as well as rejecting that female soldier from "Into the Dalek" as a companion seems like it's needed a lot more explanation. Even if it was something as simple as him saying;

 

"Clara, I spent over 900 years on Trenzalore fighting a war against some of the worst people in the universe. I was forced to watch as people were born, lived and died fighting in my name, over and over again. So excuse me if I've become a little sick of soldiers at this point..."

 

It would at least explain where this hatred is coming from and make sense, since it'd be born out of guilt that his very presence had forced the people of Trenzalore to become warriors on his behalf, reinforcing the accusation that Davros had previously levelled against him in "Journey's End".

[Abraham_uk]

As butthurt as I can sometimes get reading other people opinions, it can get exciting.

People can see things in different ways to myself and raise many valid points that I haven't thought about.

I find myself gravitating towards people with different opinions to myself. I feel like I've learnt something rather than listen to someone who shares my views.

[TheClonesLegacy]

That would be interesting though Sifr.

Clara is like Rose but slightly worse.
Rose had her insufferable moments. But far less than Clara. Every episode this season can be boiled down to "oh look how special and important Clara is.". I really hope Clara gets the shaft soon.
But I also hope Rory comes back from the dead again. Neither of which I think'll happen.
But when a Self-Insert character is more tolerable than your normal one. You got problems Moffat.

[Abraham_uk]

That would be interesting though Sifr.

Clara is like Rose but slightly worse.
Rose had her insufferable moments. But far less than Clara. I really hope Clara gets the shaft soon.
But I also hope Rory comes back from the dead again. Neither of which I think'll happen.

 

I want Bernard Cribbins (Wilfred Cribbins) back as a companion!

He was awesome! Seriously, he was one of the few things I liked about that particular Christmas/New Years special.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

I think the problem people have with Clara is they want Clara to be like someone else instead of really looking at her as her own character. You guys really need to stop nitpicking. If you want Rose, go watch 11th again. This is 13 and CLARA.

 

In the episode, I dont think the doctor knew wtf he was doing when he left, but ultimately I agree with his choice. Sometimes in life we have to take responsibility in the making a choice and we need to own the consequences of that choice. Be in destroying a baby space whale, or saying "I do". Its unfair to dump that sort of responsibility on someone else, its unfair to that person and to you.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I think the problem people have with Clara is they want Clara to be like someone else instead of really looking at her as her own character. You guys really need to stop nitpicking. If you want Rose, go watch 11th again. This is 13 and CLARA.

I don't want another Rose. I hate Rose. I'm merely comparing 2 Mary Sues and Russell Ts self insert ultimately came out a stronger character.

Least Rose at least had you know, a character arc that evolved her character to something else. Clara hasn't really evolved past her first incarnation in Asylum of the Daleks.

 

Capaldi and Jenna don't have great chemistry. Clara has all the personality of a slice of wonderbread, and there's that big problem of everyone who's called her out for her behavior is portrayed as the bad guy (Lady Vastra, the Astronaut chick).

 

Also the fact that they shoehorn her into being present at every defining event of The Doctors life, to the point it negates and takes away the value of great lines of dialogue from episodes written by better writers than Moffat (Like Neil Gaiman!) is just lame.

[Liamv2]

Honestly Clara has had her moments with the doctor it's just that they a very rare and most of the time she could have been a random character from the specific time period and nothing would have changed.

[Sifr]

I think the problem people have with Clara is they want Clara to be like someone else instead of really looking at her as her own character. You guys really need to stop nitpicking. If you want Rose, go watch 11th again. This is 13 and CLARA.

 

In the episode, I dont think the doctor knew wtf he was doing when he left, but ultimately I agree with his choice. Sometimes in life we have to take responsibility in the making a choice and we need to own the consequences of that choice. Be in destroying a baby space whale, or saying "I do". Its unfair to dump that sort of responsibility on someone else, its unfair to that person and to you.

 

Personally, I'd take the well-meaning but flawed Rose who travelled with Nine over the spoiled, perfect Mary-Sue she became with Tenth Doctor anyday, but that's neither here nor there. It's not about comparing Rose and Clara in terms of which character you like more, it's that when you look at the two characters side by side, both may be slightly sue-ish at times, but with Rose she at least had a character arc and some direction.

 

Exactly what is Clara's character arc again? What are her motivations? What really do we ever know about her aside from basic stuff that you'd probably find on a driving license or her facebook page? She's a teacher, her mother died when she was young and she's originally from Blackpool... oh, and her relationship status recently upgraded from Single to In a Relationship. When you get down to it, that's pretty much it!

 

As I've probably said before, the flaw with the latter half of Series 7 and how it dealt with Clara was that they spent so much time on the mystery of what was up with her, we never got to really know her as a person and her character ended up being pretty much a blank slate as a result?

 

As for the ending, I felt that the Doctor made a great deal of sense why he left and once again, her anger at him was uncalled for, even if I can see where she was coming from. It was a lot of responsibility to dump on her all at once, but at the same time, sometimes he won't be there to magically solve everything and she's got to start making her own decisions.

 

"Taking off the bike stabilisers" is a good metaphor for that and I think this captures this new Doctor's methodology. Unlike Ten and Eleven, Twelve is far less inclined to hold your hand in a crisis and will rely on you to prove that you are capable of keeping up with him and deserve a place on the TARDIS. This is probably why he refuses to tell Courtney that she's special, because frankly, she's not done anything to impress him yet?

[Abraham_uk]

General spoilers about the series

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I am actually liking Clara a lot more as of late. She seems more like a fleshed out character.

Sure she has her "insufferable" moments but you know what, I like that.

I like that she has her own take on a situation and can get angry. She is someone who doesn't passively stand around and accept.

Clara will make her own choices. She will speak her mind.

 

In the previous series she allowed the Doctor to mistreat her and never said anything. This series she stands up to the doctor and says "enough is enough".

 

 

 

Spoilers about the most recent episode.

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I think the problem people have with Clara is they want Clara to be like someone else instead of really looking at her as her own character. You guys really need to stop nitpicking. If you want Rose, go watch 11th again. This is 13 and CLARA.

 

In the episode, I dont think the doctor knew wtf he was doing when he left, but ultimately I agree with his choice. Sometimes in life we have to take responsibility in the making a choice and we need to own the consequences of that choice. Be in destroying a baby space whale, or saying "I do". Its unfair to dump that sort of responsibility on someone else, its unfair to that person and to you.

 

That's why I love this episode.

It was a situation where the Doctor made a controversial decision and got called out for it.

It also led to an interesting moment with Danny.

 

 

 

Spoilers about Rose

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I liked Rose during series 1 and 2. I just wasn't a fan of her being brought back after that. She was in that parallel universe and ready to move on. Done. No need to revisit her. Her arc was over. Her time with the Doctor was over. She had grown from a bored little girl into a strong woman in control of her own destiny. There was never any need to bring her back.

 

[Abraham_uk]

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As for the ending, I felt that the Doctor made a great deal of sense why he left and once again, her anger at him was uncalled for, even if I can see where she was coming from. It was a lot of responsibility to dump on her all at once, but at the same time, sometimes he won't be there to magically solve everything and she's got to start making her own decisions.

 

"Taking off the bike stabilisers" is a good metaphor for that and I think this captures this new Doctor's methodology. Unlike Ten and Eleven, Twelve is far less inclined to hold your hand in a crisis and will rely on you to prove that you are capable of keeping up with him and deserve a place on the TARDIS. This is probably why he refuses to tell Courtney that she's special, because frankly, she's not done anything to impress him yet?

 

 

I see where you're coming from. However, sure Clara Oswald is a grown woman, but what about Taylor Courtney? She is a teenager. She gets thrown into dangerous situations, has her request to go home repeatedly denied and gets a huge choice thrown at her. I would have loved it if Clara's end of episode rant mentioned Taylor. I don't buy that Taylor Courtney would become president. I would have found it more believable if she had been scarred for life as a result. It would be interesting to see her 10 years down the line in a psychiatric ward.

 

 

Okay here is how I would have handled the character. Taylor would have been full on frightened and not saying a great deal. The petrified little girl would have spent most of her screen time being comforted by Clara. Clara would have demanded that Taylor should be taken home. Then after the big decision, Clara would have told him that the way Taylor Courtney was treated was unacceptable.

 

 

[Liamv2]

I still don't know why Taylor was even there but I will wait before complaining about that just in case it's important later.

[Dr.Fumbles]

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I would still say the Doctor leaving them there without any hints was a bad move. There is a difference between small regular life decisions and potential Earth destroying ones. Some lessons are better left with your help there instead of away from the person. I also would have killed the creature. One unique life isn't worth it when it could destroy your home.

[Sifr]

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I see where you're coming from. However, sure Clara Oswald is a grown woman, but what about Taylor Courtney? She is a teenager. She gets thrown into dangerous situations, has her request to go home repeatedly denied and gets a huge choice thrown at her. I would have loved it if Clara's end of episode rant mentioned Taylor. I don't buy that Taylor Courtney would become president. I would have found it more believable if she had been scarred for life as a result. It would be interesting to see her 10 years down the line in a psychiatric ward.

 

Okay here is how I would have handled the character. Taylor would have been full on frightened and not saying a great deal. The petrified little girl would have spent most of her screen time being comforted by Clara. Clara would have demanded that Taylor should be taken home. Then after the big decision, Clara would have told him that the way Taylor Courtney was treated was unacceptable.

 

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Oh definitely, it should have been way too much for her to handle at that age and probably would have scared her off the Doctor for life. It would have also provided a thematic link to Amy as well, considering that we know that her brief, benign encounter with the Eleventh Doctor at the age of seven was enough to cause her to spend the next twelve years being sent to therapist due to her obsession with her "imaginary friend".

 

And what about those kids in "Nightmare in Silver" who blackmailed Clara into making the Eleventh Doctor take them to that planet overrun with Cybermen? Don't you think that having their minds taken over and briefly wired into the entire cyber-collective would have really screwed them up? It was kind of unrealistic that Clara's "It is not fine!" reaction to this was the only moment where this major issue was addressed, because at the end, they seem perfectly fine having been temporarily Borgified and then disconnected again?

 

Clara mentioning both those kids and Courtney as examples of why the Doctor has been rather negligent when it comes to child safely.

 

Sure, those two trips were meant to fun and simple day's out, but the moment sh*t got real, the Doctor should have known it wasn't safe and tried to take them back home. Heck, at least in the Cyberman episode the episode kind of makes it a plotpoint that he can't take them home because the Cybermen have gone all "Assuming Direct Control" on them, but what reason was there for keeping Courtney around in this episode once it became clear seconds after landing that things were going horribly, horribly wrong?

[Abraham_uk]

Okay. It's another episode review which means 

That meme will never grow old.

 

 

 

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Interesting episode.

I was worried that this would be like that Titanic in space episode. You know that one with Kylie Minogue.

I actually preferred this one.

 

It had an interesting monster.

This episode was really creepy.

The clock also made the episode tense.

Also I think it's time I made note of the awesome costume and set design. There have been some great examples of this in Dr Who over the years and this episode just looked spectacular!

 

The series villain that we know nothing about is pulling the strings, and Doctor and Clara must figure out a mystery.

 

I loved the wobbliness of Doctor and Clara's relationship, though I was surprised. When I saw the trailer for this episode I literally thought that this was a different character (it would not the first time the series has reused an actor). Though that got resolved way to easily at the end. She went from "I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!!!" to "SHOW ME MORE PLANETS!!!!!" Well at least they showed Clara going through a process to go from A to B, but it felt too quick.

 

We have more talk about the "am I a good man?" theme and our series villain finally does something even if she doesn't make an appearance.

 

 

As for the resolution. Too simple. I have this problem of both New Who and Classic Who. However this has gotten worse with New Who. When James Corden can defeat a cyberman with the power of love, you know the resolution is simple. In this episode, an incarnation of the Doctor who seems lacking in empathy saves the day with... empathy.

 

 

The Doctor was the star of the show. He went from Tom Baker (even sounded like Tom Baker at one point), to mysteriously ominous mode, to antagonistically arrogant to ruthlessly pragmatic to saving the day with empathy. We also get the Doctor following it up by being nice to Clara. You know what? Aside from the overly simple solution to a problem, I just really enjoyed Capaldi. Heck I'd love Capaldi to do a Tom Baker at this point (i.e. last 7 years).

 

The episode itself was good but not spectacular. I enjoyed it a lot. I loved the atmosphere and the costumes! Also when you have a wonderfully performed swanky rendition "Don't Stop Me Now"  you've got an episode highlight! I want to listen to that over and over again, along with Bioshock Infinite renditions of "Tainted Love" and "God Only Knows".

 

 

Okay about Clara Oswald. You can give her as much higgledy piggledy, timey wimey, wibbly wobbly interaction with the Doctor's past as you like. In the end of the day she is just a good companion. She spends a lot of her episodes doing very little. This is something that is true of other companions too. I'd like to see her do more. Though I am glad that she is finally being explored as a character. She actually reacts to the Doctors actions. She expresses her opinion and even stands up to the Doctor. In addition: she has a job, a boyfriend, a personal and professional life that is outside of the time travelling. She still has more room for development, but at least she feels like a character.

 

Clara Oswald has elevated herself from dull to good. Perhaps if things keep going up she might ascend to great. Who knows...

[Abraham_uk]

Okay. I was a little harsh on that last episode.

It's a really good episode.

 

Spoiler

 

My main criticisms were:

 

Clara not having enough to do in terms of saving the day.

The conflict between Clara and Doctor seemed to resolve a little too quickly.

But the main one, I felt the Mummy problem was too easily resolved.

 

But taking into account the plethora of overwhelming positives into account I'd say this episode is more of an 8/10

I recommend it!

 

 

 

Anyway. Listen to this rendition of "Don't Stop Me Now!"

Caution. This video contains SPOILERS for both past episodes in this series and episodes yet to be shown.

So just listen to the music without watching the video.

 

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[Sifr]

I absolutely loved this episode, giving the Twelfth Doctor a mystery to solve is always good because he's a very cerebral Doctor, as we've seen from his numerous chalkboards on the TARDIS and his awesome moment arguing with himself.

 

(Which makes me wonder, did Capaldi do a Tom Baker impression, did they get Tom Baker to do a single line of dialogue, or was it an impressionist?)

 

Having the references to Four in both that line and the jellybabies in the cigarette case actually fits really well with Twelfth Doctor. Along with Nine and Twelve, Four was probably the most "alien" and emotionally aloof Doctor of them all, having a far more dangerous way about him that made you never sure whether you were safe to trust him or not. Like Nine and Twelve, when he smiled, you knew that something incredibly dangerous was probably about to happen.

 

 

My only complaints, if there can be counted as such was;

 

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Clara and Maisie's scenes in the baggage car. We went from them entering the room to find her grandmother's body, then by the next scene featuring them, Clara was immediately working on the door to get out? When did they get shut in? Where's the body? If there's a mummy attacking people, why didn't they immediately notice upon entering the room that there is a giant sarcophagus on the other side? It felt like they cut a scene for time and we missed something?

 

But overall, it was a great episode!

[Abraham_uk]

This series has been amazing so far!

 

I can't wait for the next episode.

 

Spoiler

 

There is a game called Link Between Worlds where Link can phase into a wall!

INTO A WALL

 

He then side scrolls across the wall.

 

The trailer for the next episode is about creatures in the wall! Wooooo!

 

 

 

This has been a clever and inventive season so far.

Quality episode after quality episode.

I am also loving Peter Capaldi.

Don't stop Peter now! This Dr Who fan is having such a good time!

He's having a ball!

[Sifr]

What made me enjoy this episode in lieu of last week's one which I wasn't too fond of, was the amusing scenes where Danny and Maisie's reaction to Clara still being angry with the Doctor was to politely point out the obvious, which essentially boiled down to;

 

"Wtf are you talking about Clara? You're clearly not mad with him? No-one has ever had a fight with someone and told them they want to stop seeing them, then gone on a trip with them. That's basically the opposite of what a break up is?"

 

And her final switcheroo where she decided she couldn't stop travelling with the Doctor kind of made me chuckle and say "Hypocrite!" at the telly, given that she just kind of implied that the Doctor's need to travel to dangerous places was kind of an addiction.

 

It also amused me that she got it wrong as well. Uh, Clara, the Doctor did give up travelling for a while? Remember Trenzalore? The Doctor was on that planet for over 900 years in total. Sure, he did start out being stuck there, but he got the TARDIS back and had it as a way out for the last 600 years, but instead chose to stay and defend the place. You were there for all of that?

 

(We also saw the Doctor temporarily retire after he lost Amy and Rory, then later River and was only spurred back into action by the Victorian incarnation of Clara. Of course, she's not likely to remember that, but yeah, despite her claim he's never given up the life he leads, we've actually seen him retire twice now, and three times if you count the possible future version of himself as the Curator).

[Gtdef]

The last scene of the latest episode gave me the impression that something will happen to Clara in the finale. Don't know why. But truthfully I won't miss her if she's gone. I like her looks more than her role and after the reveal of her "impossible girl" mystery, I don't really see any reason for her to stay. I like the actress though, I'd prefer if she was utilized differently, having a role similar to Barrowman's in earlier seasons.

 

And her final switcheroo where she decided she couldn't stop travelling with the Doctor kind of made me chuckle and say "Hypocrite!" at the telly,

 

Did the exact same thing lol.

[Abraham_uk]

(We also saw the Doctor temporarily retire after he lost Amy and Rory, then later River and was only spurred back into action by the Victorian incarnation of Clara. Of course, she's not likely to remember that, but yeah, despite her claim he's never given up the life he leads, we've actually seen him retire twice now, and three times if you count the possible future version of himself as the Curator).

 

 

I'm not sure who this Curator person is supposed to be.

Is he supposed to be the Doctor?

 

I think the Curator is a different character altogether. Sure he's played by Tom Baker, but think about it this way.

 

 

Colin Baker played a different Doctor Who character before he became the Doctor.

Agyeman Freema was a different Doctor Who character before she played Martha Jones

Peter Capaldi was a different Doctor Who character and a Torchwood "Children of Earth" character before he played the Doctor.

 

I think the Curator is a different character who just so happens to be played by Tom Baker.

 

 

 

You know given how understandably upset the former Doctor Who actors are with the 50th Anniversary, wouldn't it be awesome to see these actors come back playing different roles.

 

 

Peter Davidson could be a tour guide who plays a big part in a horror mystery episode.

Colin Baker could be one of the chief members of the Time Lord council (who isn't the Doctor).

Sylvester McCoy could be a member of UNIT.

Paul McGann could play as a bounty hunter trying to track down The Doctor.

 

 

I'm sure the audience will figure out that these actors are not playing past incarnations of the Doctor.

[Sifr]

I think it was left intentionally ambiguous whether the Curator was a possible future Doctor or just some random guy who happened to look like the Fourth Doctor, sort of like how we've seen various characters reappear on Doctor Who playing different characters before?

 

Reasons he could be the Doctor is that he certainly seemed to know more than he was letting on about Gallifrey, seemed familiar with the Doctor and his ability to change his face, was shown with prominent roundels on the wall behind him, introduced himself seconds after the Doctor mused about retiring and becoming a "Curator", and like the Twelfth Doctor appearing in this episode, he's another indication that the Doctor's supposed "death" at Trenzalore would be averted.

 

A slightly awesome counter theory (which I just thought of), is that perhaps the Curator is a retired and well-known scientist who was at the top of his field around the time that the Third Doctor was in exile on Earth, whom was one of countless people he researched whilst he was trying to repair his TARDIS. As a result, the Fourth Doctor subconsciously based his face and personality on him when he regenerated?

[Liamv2]

I liked the new episode. Mysteries suit the new doctor well. I think the conflict between Clara and the Doctor got solved a bit too quickly but i'm interested to see what comes next.

[Abraham_uk]

I liked the new episode. Mysteries suit the new doctor well. I think the conflict between Clara and the Doctor got solved a bit too quickly but i'm interested to see what comes next.

 

That was what I was saying.

 

The reason that mysteries suit the New Doctor is that this Doctor seems like a guy who is driven by a quest for knowledge and adventure.

At the end of the episode Clara calls it an "addiction".

 

If the Doctor doesn't care, why should we? This Doctor actually does care about the mystery. Well its enough to make me care.

 

True the same can be said of Matt Smith's incarnation.

[Abraham_uk]

Again with the spoilers.

 

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As usual I loved Peter Capaldi, but it's nice to see him take back seat.

 

So without further ado:

 

 

Introducing Jenna Coleman as The Doctor!

 

 

I loved this episode a lot!

Creepy new monster! So thank you Moffat for not rehashing an old Doctor Who monster. I DON'T WANT ANOTHER DALEK OR CYBERMAN INVASION STORY! NO!

Okay over reaction. Let me put it another way. I can happily wait 5 years for the next big alien invasion story.

 

 

So we have an awesome dimension shifting alien race to handle. A truly incomprehensible species who exist within two dimensions.

They are somehow turning 3D objects into 2D objects and killing people and to make things worse the Doctor is trapped. Yes The Doctor is the damsel in distress, which means that for the duration of the episode Clara Oswald has to take his place.

 

She quickly learns the ropes as she races against time to figure out the aliens weakness and finds a way to bring the Doctor back.

Clara Oswald is interesting in this episode. She is petrified yet manages to keep her cool and takes control of a difficult situation.

Though along the way she has to tell a few lies and impersonate MI5 to get by.

 

This interests me because the Doctor at the end of the episode said "You are an excellent Doctor. Being good had nothing to do with this".

So in order to be an excellent Doctor, being good is not a requirement... Hmm.

 

But then the episode gives us another tiny development on the mystery...

 

Looks like Clara finally got Missy's attention.

What does this mysterious woman have planned?

Is she a bad guy, or a morally grey individual who never fully crosses into villain territory.

 

 

I loved this episode! Other episodes I enjoy but then I think about them and say, maybe it's not as good as I thought.

No I loved this episode and I'm not being swayed on this one!

 

I was 100% convinced by her half Clara Oswald half Doctor hybrid of a character. Heck in many ways she emulates more of the Matt Smith doctor that fans seem to miss. She's clever, spontaneous and good at leading people. Compare this Clara to the one from Deep Breath who required the Doctor to save her life and you know what, that to me is a vast improvement! I hope the writers don't forget about this giant leap in character development. In the last episode the Doctor talked about how difficult it is to be the one who saves the day whilst making all the difficult choices. This episode Oswald gets her first lesson in being the Doctor!

 

Jenna Coleman. It's a real shame that the writers haven't considered females to play the role of The Doctor.

Until now...

 

Now that we've established that a woman can handle this task, can the next Doctor be female? Please? Pretty please? No hurry. I'd like Peter Capaldi to stay for a few years before regenerating first.

 

 

There is more character development in Clara Oswald in this episode alone than all the prior episodes put together!

I hope that the writing in future episodes reflects this giant leap for her, substantially changing the Doctor Clara dynamic!

[Eternal Phoenix]

I've always found most of the companions annoying. The show is called Doctor Who so it should have the main focus on Doctor Who. The current series shift and stirs between Clara's personal life and then Doctor Who's mindset where Clara confronts him about his motives and emotions. One thing I'm liking for sure about the current series is the new Doctor: he's cold and more mature (in both mind and physical appearance) on the exterior and rather than attempting the impossible (saving everyone HURRAY!!!!!! Because that's totally possible!!!) he knows sacrifices have to be made and is completely okay with lying to people if it means more people survive in the end, he knows he can't save everyone.

 

Oh and there was Jeff from Casualty in today's episode.