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[Dovahzeymahlkey]

My only real thought after the revelation about Missy was;

 

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As if the Foe Yay between the Doctor and the Master wasn't bad enough before...

 

with their species almost extinct, theyve got work to do tbh.

[Sifr]

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I thought it was the cloud that was doing all the conversion and not the cybermen? It was just taking time to convert all the dead on Earth into an army for the Doctor.

 

Re: the kid, I'm sure Clara would have handed him over to the relevant authorities or UNIT most likely. And his parents must be alive somewhere otherwise they would have been in the Nethersphere with him.

 

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Ah yeah, I forgot about the cloud, I thought that the plan was for the Cybermen to kill people, while the cloud converts them? But then we're told that the cloud is able to also kill and convert people? So I'm a little confused why the Cybermen were needed as an army if the cloud was able to kill people, unless they're just disposable foot soldiers for the Doctor to throw at bad guys?

 

(And I'd love to see how a Cyberman army and their clouds that convert the dead into Cybermen, would do against Daleks and their similar nano-clouds that convert people into Dalek puppets? That would be one heck of an battle!)

 

I suppose that makes sense, although I'm kind of curious about his parents are going to react to their kid being returned from the dead?

 

with their species almost extinct, theyve got work to do tbh.

 

Well, in the universe-proper, there's still a couple billion Time Lords out on Gallifrey... wherever it is?

[TKavatar]

I enjoyed this episode.

The focus was on the characters.

 

The strange relationship between The Doctor and Missy, along with Clara Oswald and her dilemma.

This was a good character development two parter that dealt with themes of death, regret and despair.

 

I'm not so sure what to make of the up coming Christmas special.

I haven't been enthralled by Christmas specials in general. However I do appreciate another slice of Doctor Who and a slice of Christmas. The combination is nice.

 

I'm not a fan of Christmas episodes to be honest, most of them are too heavy handed with the Christmas PSA and everything is solved with the power of love....

 

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but after this ep I could use with some cheering up.

 

Also the Doctor kissed the Master this time lol

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

GODAMMIN TKAVATAR! DONT DO THIS TO ME! CHANGE THAT PICTURE NOW!

[TKavatar]

GODAMMIN TKAVATAR! DONT DO THIS TO ME! CHANGE THAT PICTURE NOW!

 

Okay dokie

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Okay dokie

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! D:

[TheClonesLegacy]

I'd say Christmas episodes are hit or miss but...

 

The only good one was A Christmas Carol, and I guess Time of the Doctor. I did enjoy that one.

Runaway Bride, and Christmas Invasion were just bland.

The Snowman one was just boring, had to introduce seasonal arcs and such. Barely worth remembering (As you can tell)

Then we get to Voyage of the Damned and   End of Time...Just...Just awful.

[Liamv2]

Well **** that was dark.

[Heimdall]

Anyone else adoring this version of the Master? Totally bananas

I sort of felt like they were poking at the possibility of a femDoctor in the future the entire time.

[Liamv2]

They have been doing that a lot lately.

[xPez]

Really liked last weeks episode, but didn't enjoy this weeks that much

 

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I thought Missy/Master should have been explored more. How they survived, where they got a Tardis from, why they lied about Galifrey. Also, without the drums in the Master's head would he still be insane or was the damage already done? Much preferred John Simm's Master, but tbh everything about Doctor Who was better back then  

 

Also, regarding Clara and that episode with the time traveller marooned at the end of time...

 

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I assumed he was her grandson/great grandson, so Clara must be pregnant already right? I expected her to stand up in the café at the end and be actually showing, although I guess she could only be a few weeks preggas.

[LPPrince]

Well

 

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I don't think Clara's time with The Doctor is over. Not going by what Nick Frost said. But we'll see.

 

Anyway,

 

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OSGOOD BETTER HAVE SURVIVED SOMEHOW. OR A CONVENIENT EXCUSE TO HAVE HER STILL AROUND.

 

Like perhaps Missy killed the other Osgood from the 50th anniversary, not the actual one. So the actual one can still travel with The Doctor and be his companion.

 

That would be FANTASTIC. The Doctor is more in the style of the classic Doctors, and Osgood appeals to the newer fans.

 

Have both teaming together and you have quite the combination. I WANT IT, I NEED IT

[Abraham_uk]

Why is Disney going Dark and creepy?

 

First Ultron as a twisted Pinocchio now The Master as a twisted Mary Poppins.

Well at least The Little Mermaid is untouched... [Reads up about the Siren legend, and remembers that Dr Who episode]

 

Well Micky Mouse would not hurt a soul. [Watches South Park]

 

 

Childhood ruined!

[TheClonesLegacy]

Childhood is for children.

That's why they have them.

 

You are an adult. Thus have no childhood to have ruined.

[Abraham_uk]

Childhood is for children.

That's why they have them.

 

Well. Nothing can ruin the Lion King for me!

[Watches a wildlife show narrated by David Attenborough]

 

Oh come on! Even real life is determined to ruin my childhood!

 

 

 

Okay joking aside. I loved evil Mary Poppins.

The only thing missing was a creepified version of a Mary Poppins tune.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Well. Nothing can ruin the Lion King for me!

[Watches a wildlife show narrated by David Attenborough]

 

Oh come on! Even real life is determined to ruin my childhood!

Everythings gotta eat somehow.

[Abraham_uk]

You know how Ultron had a creepy version of "No Strings"

 

Well here is something...

 

[Sifr]

Anyone else adoring this version of the Master? Totally bananas

 

Yeah, I far more prefer this version of the Master.

 

Having Missy come across as a Psycho Mary Poppins, who switches between serious and whimsical, menacing and sarcastic, is a lot better than simply having her act completely axe crazy like John Simm's Master was.

 

Not to say that John Simm wasn't a fantastic Master, but I far more preferred him in "The Sound of Drums" when he was still in Harold Saxon mode and you could see the Master's cunning, ruthlessness and ability to out-think the Doctor at every turn in action. "The Last of the Time Lords" and "The End of Time" seemed to eschew that part of his character, for him to instead act more freaking insane at any given moment.

 

There are certainly shades of the John Simm Master in her performance, but Missy seems to be more like the Anthony AInley Master, in that she's a lot more in control of herself and restrained, at least until she's in a position where she's free to have some fun being completely, unashamedly evil.

 

And much like the Delgado Master, you never stop seeing the gears stop spinning in her head about how she's going to get one-up on the Doctor or brutally murder someone, so watching her in action is (at least in my opinon) far more terrifying.

[Bugsie]

I gotta say, this bit gave me feelz:

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... I love that the Brigadier came back to save his daughter!

[Sifr]

Y'know, I just figured out what it was that bugged me about Series 8 the most...

 

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Did anyone else get tired of all the petty arguments we kept seeing between all the characters, it seemed that everyone spent most of Series 8 bickering with each other? There were a lot of scenes of Clara and Danny arguing over relationship stuff, Clara and the Doctor got into that major fight halfway through the series, and even in death, Danny still absolutely hated the Doctor.

 

It's not good when the two characters who argued the least in this entire series, were the Doctor and the gorram Master!

 

[TheClonesLegacy]

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Danny was insufferable. He's more of a Tin Dog than Mickey ever was.

[HereticDante]

The sudden direct extreme romantic overtones towards the doctor are the only part which really bothered me.

[Sifr]

The sudden direct extreme romantic overtones towards the doctor are the only part which really bothered me.

 

From Missy?

 

Nah, it fits with the Master's character that we've seen since the very beginning. Let's be honest, you don't go from childhood best friends to mortal enemies with someone, then spend countless centuries trying to take over the universe just to get their attention, without being just a tiny bit in love with them in some way?

 

After all, this is the same character who once said, "A universe without the Doctor scarely bears thinking about..."

 

I hadn't considered that. Actually, it's worse since;

 

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If she's been doing that since the 1800's, then pretty much all of the Doctor's former companions (at least, the ones who've since died), might now be trapped inside?

 

Oh man, if she got the Brigadier, that'd be heartbreaking...

 

And I just realised... damn, I called this happening last week!

[Abraham_uk]

It wasn't the kiss that bothered me so much.

It was the fact the kiss wasn't mutually consensual.

[Bugsie]

Y'know, I just figured out what it was that bugged me about Series 8 the most...
 

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Did anyone else get tired of all the petty arguments we kept seeing between all the characters, it seemed that everyone spent most of Series 8 bickering with each other? There were a lot of scenes of Clara and Danny arguing over relationship stuff, Clara and the Doctor got into that major fight halfway through the sieres, and even in death, Danny still absolutely hated the Doctor.
 
It's not good when the two characters who argued the least in this entire series, were the Doctor and the gorram Master!

 

The dynamics between the characters are off. Individually they're okay, together, not so much. I really like the new doctor, but they got the companions wrong, wrong for who he is and what he's trying to convey ie, the 'am I a good man?' - every time I hear it I keep thinking, the companions he has currently can't answer that, they're too caught up in their own dramas to be a good foil for him.

I think a male companion (not like Danny more like Rory) or a companion like Donna or would be good for him and good for the story.