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[Mr.House]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Ok endings aside, I am annoyed they never followed up with a fix to deception. I'm more annoyed that they said they would do it and they didn't, rather than not fixing it.

Bioware said ME2 was a 360 and PC game only, DAO was going to have two years of dlc, Kasumi was not real, Javik was not cut content ect. Bioware saying something and not being true is not really a surprise.

[spirosz]

PR.

RP. Get it, roleplay, huh, huh?

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

PR.

RP. Get it, roleplay, huh, huh?

Go home, your drunk

[Sashimi_taco]

Mr.House wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Ok endings aside, I am annoyed they never followed up with a fix to deception. I'm more annoyed that they said they would do it and they didn't, rather than not fixing it.

Bioware said ME2 was a 360 and PC game only, DAO was going to have two years of dlc, Kasumi was not real, Javik was not cut content ect. Bioware saying something and not being true is not really a surprise.

So then I wont get closure for the book story line either? I don't understand what the point of the books' story line were if it were like that. 

[The Cheat]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The first 3 were written by the origional lead writer, who made up all the in game lore. I read those books and I take most of my canon lore from them. 

So you're fine with the way quarians are described in the first three? I sure as hell am not. In the games, most of the dialogue with Tali or other quarians implies that any serious suit rupture is pretty much a death sentence due to near-instant infection. Yet in Revelation quarians are described as only really needing their masks to survive and wearing enviro-suits only outside the fleet, while Ascension has a quarian getting his entire leg mangled and doesn't even suffer a serious infection (and the text also implies only the mask is needed to prevent said infections, as evidenced by Pel's prisoner's cracked mask leading to his infection and insanity). Ascension did at least essentially correct Relevation by stating that envirosuits were worn everywhere except sterile areas (their equivalent of bathrooms or the liveship birthing areas).

Just because it's written by a lead writer doesn't mean they stick to what they put in the games 100%. There is a clear disconnect between quarian lore as presented in the games and as it is presented in these books (ignoring Deception entirely, of course).

Modifié par The Cheat, 26 mai 2013 - 09:08 .

[Sashimi_taco]

The Cheat wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The first 3 were written by the origional lead writer, who made up all the in game lore. I read those books and I take most of my canon lore from them. 

So you're fine with the way quarians are described in the first three? I sure as hell am not. In the games, most of the dialogue with Tali or other quarians implies that any serious suit rupture is pretty much a death sentence due to near-instant infection. Yet in Revelation quarians are described as only really needing their masks to survive and wearing enviro-suits only outside the fleet, while Ascension has a quarian getting his entire leg mangled and doesn't even suffer a serious infection (and the text also implies only the mask is needed to prevent said infections, as evidenced by Pel's prisoner's cracked mask leading to his infection and insanity). Ascension did at least essentially correct Relevation by stating that envirosuits were worn everywhere except sterile areas (their equivalent of bathrooms or the liveship birthing areas).

Just because it's written by a lead writer doesn't mean they stick to what they put in the games 100%. There is a clear disconnect between quarian lore as presented in the games and as it is presented in these books (ignoring Deception entirely, of course).

The games have to follow the lore as close as they can while still making game play possible. In the game they follow the quarian infection problem along the same lines. Tali can take her suit off, and does for maleshep. When her suit gets ripped she gets a minor infection, and so does tal reagar. Sometimes you get infections that are really bad, and sometimes you get minor problems. 

They had to rewrite the suit within the fleet thing so they wouldn't have to show quarians in me2 outside thier suits. 

[SlottsMachine]

What do you mean, it was a classic.

[GreyLycanTrope]

General Slotts wrote...

What do you mean, it was a classic.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

please....they could not fix the important things in ME3 why would they care about the book?

as long as Mac can wear his artsy headgear all is well

My problem being is that they specifically said they would fix the book. 

http://www.joystiq.c...es-in-future-e/

I am wondering if there are new editions out yet. 

I'd rather they fix the ending of the game first. If they can't even get that right, what makes you think they got the chops to rewrite an entire novel?

[AlexMBrennan]

"Changes to future editions." If there is not going to be a re-print (not likely for a cash grab/tie-in novel which drew this much negative attention) then that is a no-op; it's not like you can patch books

[DWH1982]

Someone once posted on a thread similar to this one that the rewrite is finished and on a flash drive somewhere, but the publisher refuses to print a new edition until all copies of the current edition are sold.

No idea if that's true or not, or where that person got their info. If it is true, though, it probably means we'll never see the new edition - the fans are mostly the only people who'll buy Mass Effect books, and I sure know I don't want to buy that one in its current version.

Modifié par DWH1982, 27 mai 2013 - 04:37 .

[DWH1982]

*removed double post*

Modifié par DWH1982, 27 mai 2013 - 04:37 .

[MattFini]

The Cheat wrote...

Given the massive amount of issues and errors with the book, I'd say it nearly demands a full rewrite in order to be even close to the quality of the others (and the first three weren't even perfect, either).

Exactly this. 

Deception is broken. It would need to be thrown out and reconstructed from scratch, and I don't think it's worth that effort.

Best to forget about it and hope the next ME paperback turns out better. 

[Oni Changas]

ME3 proved they dont give a **** about the story anymore. It's... disappointingly and hilariously sad.

[Sashimi_taco]

MattFini wrote...

The Cheat wrote...

Given the massive amount of issues and errors with the book, I'd say it nearly demands a full rewrite in order to be even close to the quality of the others (and the first three weren't even perfect, either).

Exactly this. 

Deception is broken. It would need to be thrown out and reconstructed from scratch, and I don't think it's worth that effort.

Best to forget about it and hope the next ME paperback turns out better. 

It is still extremely dissapointing, then, to have the story line of the books never be really finished. 

[I_Jedi]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

MattFini wrote...

The Cheat wrote...

Given the massive amount of issues and errors with the book, I'd say it nearly demands a full rewrite in order to be even close to the quality of the others (and the first three weren't even perfect, either).

Exactly this. 

Deception is broken. It would need to be thrown out and reconstructed from scratch, and I don't think it's worth that effort.

Best to forget about it and hope the next ME paperback turns out better. 

It is still extremely dissapointing, then, to have the story line of the books never be really finished. 

Well, since the main ME arc was finished, they likely reasoned that no one will care now.

[Sashimi_taco]

I_Jedi wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

MattFini wrote...

The Cheat wrote...

Given the massive amount of issues and errors with the book, I'd say it nearly demands a full rewrite in order to be even close to the quality of the others (and the first three weren't even perfect, either).

Exactly this. 

Deception is broken. It would need to be thrown out and reconstructed from scratch, and I don't think it's worth that effort.

Best to forget about it and hope the next ME paperback turns out better. 

It is still extremely dissapointing, then, to have the story line of the books never be really finished. 

Well, since the main ME arc was finished, they likely reasoned that no one will care now.

I care. And what is the point in following any of the mass effect stuff anymore if they don't finish up their story lines? I liked the first 3 books enough to listen to them casually on my iphone more than once. 

If they don't finish up their story lines, then what is the point in even investing time into buying and reading the side story lines that bioware puts out?

People may argue that it isn't that important anymore, but you can't just say you are going to do something and then not. It is a matter of your product integrity. Why should I invest money and time into the side projects in the future, if there is a track record of not finishing them well when they actually say they will do so? 

I am really not talking about the me3 ending with this, this is completely separate from that.