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[Plaintiff]

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I don't know of any retail outlet that refunds the full price of the game if you "didn't like it". It would be an astoundingly stupid business move. Especially since there's no way to prove how much of it you played.

I know that the retail outlets here do not accept PC games back, period, once the game has been used.  Only way to return it is if you never opened the package.  For obvious reasons, of course.  Can't say about console games, as I don't play them.

Well, I've never tried to get a "full refund", mostly because I'm not stupid, but also because the games I return are typically years old by that point.

The retail outlet I frequent, EBGames, will accept any console game, as long as the disc itself is not damaged. But they give you store credit, not money, and the amount of store credit you get is contingent on the game's current worth, so it varies.

[Plaintiff]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I don't know of any retail outlet that refunds the full price of the game if you "didn't like it". It would be an astoundingly stupid business move. Especially since there's no way to prove how much of it you played.

I believe Amazon did for ME3 after the ending fiasco.

EDIT:

Here is the below story article:

Source

Well then Amazon is not very bright. I hope that at the very least they required indiviudals seeking a refund to mail the game back to them.

It sets a stupid precedent. If you can get a full refund on a videogame just because you didn't like it, the same should apply to books and movies and other entertainment goods that Amazon sells.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 28 mai 2013 - 02:54 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

If it doesn't run on my PC, that would pretty well ruin the experience.

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
I don't know of any retail outlet that refunds the full price of the game if you "didn't like it". It would be an astoundingly stupid business move. Especially since there's no way to prove how much of it you played.

I believe Amazon did for ME3 after the ending fiasco.
EDIT:
Here is the below story article:
Source

Well then Amazon is not very bright. I hope that at the very least they required indiviudals seeking a refund to mail the game back to them.
It sets a stupid precedent. If you can get a full refund on a videogame just because you didn't like it, the same should apply to books and movies and other entertainment goods that Amazon sells.

I don't think it is unique to ME3. Or even video games. 

http://www.giantbomb...ique/1100-4040/

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I don't know of any retail outlet that refunds the full price of the game if you "didn't like it". It would be an astoundingly stupid business move. Especially since there's no way to prove how much of it you played.

I believe Amazon did for ME3 after the ending fiasco.

EDIT:

Here is the below story article:

Source

Well then Amazon is not very bright. I hope that at the very least they required indiviudals seeking a refund to mail the game back to them.

It sets a stupid precedent. If you can get a full refund on a videogame just because you didn't like it, the same should apply to books and movies and other entertainment goods that Amazon sells.

When I worked at Blockbuster Video a million years ago, we actually did start a policy where you could get a refund for a rental if you disliked the movie.  I don't remember what the particulars were now, but I do recall that we had a stream of certain customers who managed to despise every single movie they rented for as long as that policy was implemented.  Quite a few customers were more honest about it, some only asking for a refund on occasion and others never asking for one at all, but boy do I remember the sudden spate of people who hated all movies ever.

[Ihatebadgames]

Multiplayer.Silly looking darkspawn.
As far as refunds go,you get a refund if something does not fit you or work correctly,so why not your games?

[Jonathan Seagull]

Edited by me to remove unnecessary quotes.

Silfren wrote...

When I worked at Blockbuster Video a million years ago, we actually did start a policy where you could get a refund for a rental if you disliked the movie.  I don't remember what the particulars were now, but I do recall that we had a stream of certain customers who managed to despise every single movie they rented for as long as that policy was implemented.  Quite a few customers were more honest about it, some only asking for a refund on occasion and others never asking for one at all, but boy do I remember the sudden spate of people who hated all movies ever.

Allowing that is utterly bizarre to me, not gonna lie.

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Multiplayer.Silly looking darkspawn.
As far as refunds go,you get a refund if something does not fit you or work correctly,so why not your games?

Something not working correctly is not the same as "I didn't like it."  An item of clothing not fitting also isn't really the same, although you can't always return clothing, either.  That's why they have fitting rooms.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 28 mai 2013 - 03:28 .

[Silfren]

Jonathan Seagull wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I don't know of any retail outlet that refunds the full price of the game if you "didn't like it". It would be an astoundingly stupid business move. Especially since there's no way to prove how much of it you played.

I believe Amazon did for ME3 after the ending fiasco.

EDIT:

Here is the below story article:

Source

Well then Amazon is not very bright. I hope that at the very least they required indiviudals seeking a refund to mail the game back to them.

It sets a stupid precedent. If you can get a full refund on a videogame just because you didn't like it, the same should apply to books and movies and other entertainment goods that Amazon sells.

When I worked at Blockbuster Video a million years ago, we actually did start a policy where you could get a refund for a rental if you disliked the movie.  I don't remember what the particulars were now, but I do recall that we had a stream of certain customers who managed to despise every single movie they rented for as long as that policy was implemented.  Quite a few customers were more honest about it, some only asking for a refund on occasion and others never asking for one at all, but boy do I remember the sudden spate of people who hated all movies ever.

Allowing that is utterly bizarre to me, not gonna lie.

We employees thought it was pretty bizarre, too, but we weren't the ones setting policy, we were just the ones who had to live with the money-losing consequences of it.

Modifié par Silfren, 28 mai 2013 - 03:24 .

[kinderschlager]

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As you really ought to be aware, they already said that's going to be the case. I'm not sure why that's what you're complaining about though, what with all the other off-putting things I've heard about that game.

[Silfren]

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As was pointed out, that we'll be playing a human protagonist is already a given, one that was established months ago.  Though I have to say, I don't understand for the life of me how playing as a human means that the game will be a fantasy version of ME. 

Modifié par Silfren, 28 mai 2013 - 03:46 .

[Ye Elder Geeke]

I must be one of the few that actually liked DA2. But... not relevant here.

I honestly can't think of anything that would absolutely "ruin it". Though.... it WOULD be really annoying if I can't have my dog.

[Zack_Nero]

Clearly, their is a lot of things that would kill or ruin this game for us. Those being:
1) Gameplay mechanics
2) Story/Character Development
3) Useless Cannons
However, based on past decisions from BioWare we know that they don't like to reuse old designs or else it isn't fun. We, as consumers, have rights to be concern about the design choices that BioWare is taking. However, I would like to point out that again we don't know much about this game other then what it "may" do. Once we find out what the game will "actually" do I think we should calm down a bit. Again my opinion.

[kinderschlager]

Silfren wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As was pointed out, that we'll be playing a human protagonist is already a given, one that was established months ago.  Though I have to say, I don't understand for the life of me how playing as a human means that the game will be a fantasy version of ME. 

i didn't find this anywhere on the web, so for me it isn't set in stone

[The_FenixV]

kinderschlager wrote...

Silfren wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As was pointed out, that we'll be playing a human protagonist is already a given, one that was established months ago.  Though I have to say, I don't understand for the life of me how playing as a human means that the game will be a fantasy version of ME. 

i didn't find this anywhere on the web, so for me it isn't set in stone

And yet it's pretty much set in stone.. the protagonist is indeed human.

On the BioWare panel at Edmonton Comic & Entertainment Expo 2012, creative director Mike Laidlaw stated that "customization is going to be bigger than Dragon Age: Origins[/i]", and also include "follower customization". On the same panel, lead writer David Gaider mentioned that "You will be human", and that "backgrounds will be in Dragon Age 3[/i] even though you will be human, it's not playable but it does significant impact on the story". 

Modifié par The_FenixV, 28 mai 2013 - 05:06 .

[Silfren]

kinderschlager wrote...

Silfren wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As was pointed out, that we'll be playing a human protagonist is already a given, one that was established months ago.  Though I have to say, I don't understand for the life of me how playing as a human means that the game will be a fantasy version of ME. 

i didn't find this anywhere on the web, so for me it isn't set in stone

It IS set in stone, whether you have found it on the web or not.  The Devs have confirmed it IN THESE FORUMS already.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

-Forced to play as human again (I know this is confirmed but I still hate it)
-"Streamlining" dialogue and dialogue options even more (DA2 less dialogue options than DA:O, ME2 always had 3 dialogue options on the right, as well as investigate options on the left and sometimes paragon/renegade choices on the left as well, ME3 had 2 dialogue options on the right and almost never investigate options so dialogue was slimmed down from 6 to 2)
-Flash over substance, awesome button animations and cutscenes with no depth
-Character building slimmed down (ME3 you were shoehorned into one character with only slight differences between paragon and renegade unlike previous games)
-Everyone including the PC is stupid and ineffectual (ME3 info learned in previous games about how to kill reapers conventionally is never shared and everyone throws resources at some mysterious unproven mcguffin instead of strategizing, DA2 Hawke can't put two and two together in any situation despite extreme, hamfisted hints such as with his mother's disappearance or Anders' actions, authority figures are all useless and rely on the PC to do every little thing, etc...)
-Reused maps
-Maps that are small, undetailed, unoriginal, and lackluster
-Cheesy cameos from previous games that pop in, say a line of theirs that became an internet thing in a super corny and obvious way
-Shallow, uninteresting plot that seems to have been written for children
-Another "timeskip" where no time passes and nothing actually changes...even Fable 2 did timeskips really well at least twice in the game and you clearly see not only the passage of time but how your actions affected things
-Music that is dull and doesn't stand out (ME3 and DA2 both)
-Cartoonish looking people and redesigns (darkspawn, elves, etc...)
-JRPG influence (I put JRPGs behind me for a reason)
-Lack of lore and culture shown in the game (ex: in DA:O elves were actually discriminated against and treated badly at every turn, the alienage looked like a ramshackle slum, in DA2 elves whine about inequality but it's never shown and the alienage looks like nice, clean, pretty and high end appartments instead of crappy shacks built from trash and scavenged bits)
-Incredibly annoying, REQUIRED companions who are not integral to the plot and who you can't murderknife as soon as you meet (Merril)
-Being unable to change the outcome of any situation (DA2, to a lesser extent ME3)
-One ending
-Short, shallow dungeons that take 5 minutes and all you do is have a quick conversation with some guys at the end and then kill them 100% of the time (DA2)
-No puzzles
-No non-combat skills, quests, or resolutions

Word.  Additionally, I would be pissed if DA: I does not come with modding support, with a Creation Kit of some sort. If Bioware pays any attention to the modding community, they will know how vital it is to give DA: I mod support just like other RPGs like Witcher 2 & Skyrim are doing. Sadly, with EA being against modding, probably because they want to make tiny contents that can be made through modding and sell it via microtransactions / tiny DLC & make money out of it, not like that this will happen either.  Also, EA's attitude toward's PC gaming doesn't bode well for mod support either. 

These will be the things that let down DA: I for me . & since the first one is already established and mod support doesn't look like it will be happening , the game has to be super duper special to make up for it. 

Modifié par The Sin, 28 mai 2013 - 05:34 .

[CuriousArtemis]

A few obvious things...

1. If I have to buy a new system. Afraid that's a game-breaker.

2. If the character creation screen is terrible, and I'm not able to make a character I'm satisfied with. However, this is highly unlikely.

3. If they went back to silent PC. This is not going to happen though.

4. If they made all LI straight. Again, this is not going to happen.

I think that's it. There are many things that might disappoint me, just as there are things that would thrill me. But those are the things that would "ruin" it for me.

[MissOuJ]

The Hierophant wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

boring / predictable story arc and boring companions / ending that's absolutely bananas (an inFamous-like ending would probably kill my interest in the series)

Is it the main antagonist being the MC from an alternate future or the MC potentially dying in iF2?

Well I only played the first game, so that would be the bogus timetravelling the game pulls right at the end. But to be honest I was there for the awesome freerunning and I stopped following the plot when the trashmonsters were introduced, because... what.

I have heard nothing but praise for iF2, so I probably should still play it, but the plot of the first game kinda killed the enthusiasm for me. I don't mind MC death, so that won't be a problem, I just want the story to make sense.

[nightscrawl]

The Wolf Man wrote...

 I'm sure many folks will love it. I'm pretty sure I will. But consider this hypothetical: what if the game is a big disappointment to you? I'm not asking, "What if the game flops with everyone?" I'm asking about you. What if *you* just don't like it? What do you plan to do? Negative reviews? Keep the game vs. return/sell the game? Hold onto the game and wait for dlc? Write to Bioware? Write to EA? 

Also, what would completely ruin the game for you? 

I suppose if I really didn't like the game, I'd return it. Then I'd post my review (I write them regardless of good or bad experiences...). If the content was bad enough, I might address the company, but that would depend on what aspect of the game needs improvement.

If I was just disappointed in the game, I think my biggest emotion would be sadness. I don't think I would be pissed or enraged, nor would I claim that I would "never buy another Bioware game again," as some did after ME3/DA2.

The only instance I can see myself being pissed at, and I know this because it's happened in the past, is if the game is released riddled with so many bugs and problems as to make it unplayable. This was the case with NWN2, taken over by Obsidian, and I did write an enraged forum post over that one.

Some time before DA3 release I will cease to look at any stuff about the game, wait to play it, and form my own opinions. Afterward, I'll come on here and write a review stating my likes and dislikes. That's pretty much it.

To the second question, I don't really know if one particular thing would "ruin" the game for me. I suppose the most literal answer to this would be the removal of the difficulty modes, or some convoluted mechanic in the final boss fight that left me unable to finish the game.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 28 mai 2013 - 07:27 .

[nightscrawl]

kinderschlager wrote...

i didn't find this anywhere on the web, so for me it isn't set in stone

Here is the original forum post stating this... sorry =/. It used to be stickied, but hasn't been for a while now.

In addition, I suggest people browse the What We Know: Collected DA3 Information thread as Maclimes has been diligent in putting source links for everything.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 28 mai 2013 - 07:35 .

[Sol Downer]

If it was an Xbox One exclusive it'd feel pretty ruined.

[The_FenixV]

..The protagonist having an Orlesian accent.

[AshenSugar]

Anything that broke immersion and stifled roleplaying would effectively 'ruin' it for me.

Examples include the DA2 method of having weapons permanently welded to your character, unable to be unequipped - Man, I so HATED that aspect of DA2 - If it returned in DA3 I'd be extremely miffed.

Needless restrictions on items and builds may also 'ruin' the game - Examples include Mages who are unable to use the Spirit Healer tree and are restricted only robes and staves, Warriors who cannot equip a bow etc.

Anything that restricts customisation - such as a 'Diablo III' mechanic, that assigns stat points automatically, and just allows a small choice of pre-set abilities,

Any kind of railroading, or lack of consequence within the story, negating choices the player makes in favour of pre-set conclusions.

Given the lengthy pre-development period, I actually find myself having quite high hopes for Dragon Age 3, and greatly looking forward to it's release. I hope I'm not being a fool to myself.

I'm not without trepidation though. These hopes could easily be dashed - I suppose it's perfectly possible I will be faced with a lacklustre, action hack and slash button masher, with horribly dumbed-down mechanics, minimal choice and customisation; and an illogical, contrived plot, in which nothing your character does matters - riddled with intrusive DRM, always online requirements, and pumped up with lashings of day-one DLC - Something designed purely for quick short-term profit, and contrived to exploit fans using any means necessary.

Obviously I hope not, I'm fairly confident that they've listened to their customers, and learned from past mistakes... but when faced with a company like EA, it's always wise to hold onto that edge of cynicism, and maintain a certain wariness.

If the game bombs, I'll certainly be very disappointed, but I don't think I'll be shocked and surprised.

Modifié par AshenSugar, 28 mai 2013 - 08:12 .