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[The_FenixV]

AshenSugar wrote...
Anything that broke immersion and stifled roleplaying would effectively 'ruin' it for me.

Both games.. break the fourth wall from time to time, shouldn't that already break the immersion? 

Modifié par The_FenixV, 28 mai 2013 - 07:58 .

[Shya]

If I don't get to do a happy dance and skip off into the sunset with my LI I'll be upset.

[Swagger7]

"what would completely ruin the game for you? "

If it caused my system to explode. Other than that, I can't think of anything....

[Shya]

Swagger7 wrote...

"what would completely ruin the game for you? "

If it caused my system to explode. Other than that, I can't think of anything....

hahahaha

[Dagr88]

World changing event at the end of the game with no epilogue... yes, that old dead horse.

[AshenSugar]

The_FenixV wrote...

AshenSugar wrote...
Anything that broke immersion and stifled roleplaying would effectively 'ruin' it for me.

Both games.. break the fourth wall from time to time, shouldn't that already break the immersion? 

No, I think that it would take a very drastic issue to fully break the fourth wall. Much as I have a classic love/hate relationship with DA:II, I (personally) run into relatively few areas that 'break the fourth wall', and I'd be hard pressed to think of any glaring ones in DA:O. To be honest most of DA:IIs 'breakers' occur late in Act 3, after the 'Best Served Cold' quest, during which it becomes far too apparent that illogical events are talking place, upon which my character has no real control.

But of course this differs between individuals doesn't it? 

If you really stop to consider it, there are a whole range of illogical game mechanics within both games (and indeed most  RPGS). How can The Warden's party travel so quickly between various regions of Ferelden? Why can he/she only ever take three companions with them? How can humans survive direct hits from arrows/flames/swords How can the party carry so much stuff around with them? I'm sure you can think of many more besides.

In situations such as this, I have no problems rendering this kind of thing down to 'symbolic representations of events'. and head-canoning my way through areas and events that are not intrinsically shown within the game. Head canon dictates that the party camp is not constantly in the same location, and is packed up and moved to the outskirts of wherever the current mission is taking place. Head canon tells me that in reality, all or most party members are present, and have perhaps been split into two teams to cover ground faster - That kind of thing. 

Illogical, and not fully realistic perhaps, but none of it 'breaks the fourth wall', as I seem to automatically that certain game mechanics are required within a videogame; and thus my mind subjects them to 'symbolic representation of events'.

Modifié par AshenSugar, 28 mai 2013 - 10:23 .

[kinderschlager]

The_FenixV wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

Silfren wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As was pointed out, that we'll be playing a human protagonist is already a given, one that was established months ago.  Though I have to say, I don't understand for the life of me how playing as a human means that the game will be a fantasy version of ME. 

i didn't find this anywhere on the web, so for me it isn't set in stone

And yet it's pretty much set in stone.. the protagonist is indeed human.

[color=rgb(44, 46, 48)">On the BioWare panel at Edmonton Comic &] stated that "customization is going to be bigger than [/color]Dragon Age: Origins[/i][color=rgb(44, 46, 48)">", and also include "follower customization". On the same panel, lead writer ] mentioned that "You will be human", and that "backgrounds will be in [/color]Dragon Age 3[/i] even though you will be human, it's not playable but it does significant impact on the story". 

well that just pisses me off, no one asked for a single race. far as i can recall, everyone loved the ability to choose you origin (kinda the premise of the game that set up the entire series, no?)

[suprhomre]

EA

[kinderschlager]

Silfren wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

Silfren wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

The Wolf Man wrote...



what would completely ruin the game for you? 

not being able to pick what race i am, i don't want a fantasy ME. i want dragon age.

DA2 was a complete letdown and if they repeat the one glaring mistake of that game (one race) i walk

As was pointed out, that we'll be playing a human protagonist is already a given, one that was established months ago.  Though I have to say, I don't understand for the life of me how playing as a human means that the game will be a fantasy version of ME. 

i didn't find this anywhere on the web, so for me it isn't set in stone

It IS set in stone, whether you have found it on the web or not.  The Devs have confirmed it IN THESE FORUMS already.

people keep putting references, but where are the blogs, the news articles? till you can point me to something like the open letter on dragon ages main website, i'm going to keep screaming NO ONE WANTS THAT!

[Fast Jimmy]

^

There is a thread on the front page of this forum where a dev confirms that one race is the case.

You can be upset about it, for sure... but don't blindly assume that the multiple instances of devs saying this aren't true.

[Tinxa]

kinderschlager wrote...

well that just pisses me off, no one asked for a single race. far as i can recall, everyone loved the ability to choose you origin (kinda the premise of the game that set up the entire series, no?)

Apparently when they looked at the numbers a great majority of players only played the human noble origin, with the dwarven origins being especially rarely chosen.

And they also included VO for the PC.

[nightscrawl]

kinderschlager wrote...

people keep putting references, but where are the blogs, the news articles? till you can point me to something like the open letter on dragon ages main website, i'm going to keep screaming NO ONE WANTS THAT!

Even if they hadn't confirmed human-only -- which they HAVE -- I would wager that it is too late in the development cycle to start adding races now to heed your "no one wants that" shouts. Hell, they even removed a human barbarian origin for DAO after quite a bit of development. Removing planned things I can see; adding them, I highly doubt.

Also, here is a tweet from Mike:

@Mike_Laidlaw

Today I confirmed that DAIII’s hero will be human, with varied, detailed backgrounds. Largely, for story reasons, but also customization.

[SoulRebel_1979]

If they don't include a Sandal romance, the game might as well not even exist.

[Big Magnet]

Trying too hard to be "awesome" & "flashy" and not having a proper story.

[Fredvdp]

On principle I don't buy games with quick-time events and always online DRM. There are other things that bug me in games, but other than the two I named, very specific problems can't ruin an entire game for me. Jessica Chobot came close, though.

[dreamgazer]

Overly-repeated environments and waves upon waves of enemies that drop out of nowhere.

[mikeymoonshine]

Yeah basically forced multiplayer or in game content only available to those who play the multiplayer .

Like in Mass Effect 3 where you couldn't even get the best of the awful endings available without multiplayer (I know they changed that since but it was annoying).

Also Day 1 DLC will irritate me allot but as that will probably be the case I won't let it ruin the whole game for me.

[frankf43]

There are games that I've brought but just can not get into so they sit on the shelf unfinished. Witcher2 comes to mind as one game that I brought tried then just gave up on.

The thing that spoiled that for me was my inability to empathise with the Protagonist, I just don't like the guy so thought meh and moved on to the next game.

No harm no foul they didn't make the game so that 'I' would like it they made the game to appeal to a large target audience, I obviously do not fit into that target end of.

[Sutekh]

- Multiplayer interfering with single player (otherwise, multiplayer away, I don't care)

- Overuse of QTEs

And that's all. All the other things such as story, characters, gameplay... are too vague to say "this is exactly what would ruin the game for me".

[Ashelsu]

Single player campaign being glorified tutorial for multiplayer.
Elves, dwarfs and greyskin-giants-who-are-not-to-be-called-Kosith being available for multiplayer.
PC disappearing at the end of the game.
Auto PC having nightmares about random vent kids in one hour long inescapable cutscenes.

[mikeymoonshine]

Auto PC having nightmares about random vent kids in one hour long inescapable cutscenes.

Good to see I am not the only one who hated that. 

[Fiery Knight]

kinderschlager wrote...

well that just pisses me off, no one asked for a single race. far as i can recall, everyone loved the ability to choose you origin (kinda the premise of the game that set up the entire series, no?)

Yet "everyone" loved playing as human, since over 80% played Human in DAO. 

Sure it doesn't justifie removing the option, but if they want to put money on other aspects that they feel are more important, then they will sacrifice it.

[thedistortedchild]

Multiplayer, only on Next Gen consoles, and the inablility to talk to companions.

[Mims]

Massive changes to the game notwithstanding [IE; suddenly becoming a cooking simulator or something], my deal breakers are:

- Have a small party roster populated by the worst characters.
- Retcon away more decisions made in previous games.
- Restrictive RP aspects. It doesn't need to be a 'traditional RPG', but it should feel like my character. Otherwise you might as well just designate a protagonist.
- Lackluster environments

Another big thing for me has already been broken, which is choosing another race. This is pretty big for me, because I'd prefer to be a non-human. That alone is enough to not preorder, but I'll still buy at release if the rest looks good.

[Boycott Bioware]

I want to add my list..

iv. if the game is about sex

v. if the game is pursuing to sex the companions

vi. if the game is about romance then sex

it will ruin the game