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[CronoDragoon]

I don't do it in Mass Effect because I don't find any squad members annoying. But there are definitely characters in other RPGs that would simply improve the story with their prompt, unceremonious removal.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

CptData wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

You don't just kill someone for being annoying 

I would in a videogame. Ask me if I'd like to kill off 1-2 characters in every JRPG and it becomes easy.

Fascinating.

I don't do that. In my very first playthrough (I disliked Jack and nearly never used Samara), I saved all of them in the Suicide Mission in ME2. It was the best opportunity to get rid of them without pulling the trigger by myself, but I didn't do it. Why? Because I rp my Shepard as a good captain. Someone who cares for his crew, regardless if he likes a certain character or not.
In my second playthrough I started liking Jack and enjoyed Samara's wisdom.

Everyone deserves a second chance. Hey, I even believe Saren had something good left in him ...

It is not about roleplaying, it is about doing the story a favor by weeding out some of the terrible characters that plaque it.

Granted, there are also characters I do kill off for RP reasons, such as Elnora, the Rachni queen, etc...

Modifié par Lizardviking, 29 mai 2013 - 05:45 .

[CptData]

^ I think we might agree on the point we won't agree on the "weeding out part" ^^

[Jukaga]

CptData wrote...


Primary romances in my eyes are: Liara and Garrus. Secondary: Tali and the new romances except Allers. Tertiary: Ashley and Kaidan, Miranda. Thane and Jacob got the short end of the stick.

I'd put Tali in the 'primary' category if Garrus is there. It's a very well done romance with several great scenes from the reunion onwards. It also seems to elicit more comments from your crew than any other one. Bring James along to the Dreadnought for some great awkward moments. She gets much more dialog and screentime than Traynor, for example.

[CptData]

^ the romance for Tali is done in a decent way, Jukaga. I tried to point out Tali's romance is quite short, since she returns late in ME2 and ME3, reducing her screen time by a lot compared to Garrus and Liara.

That's the only reason I put Tali's romance to "secondary" level.

[P. Domi]

CptData wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

You don't just kill someone for being annoying 

I would in a videogame. Ask me if I'd like to kill off 1-2 characters in every JRPG and it becomes easy.

Fascinating.

I don't do that. In my very first playthrough (I disliked Jack and nearly never used Samara), I saved all of them in the Suicide Mission in ME2. It was the best opportunity to get rid of them without pulling the trigger by myself, but I didn't do it. Why? Because I rp my Shepard as a good captain. Someone who cares for his crew, regardless if he likes a certain character or not.
In my second playthrough I started liking Jack and enjoyed Samara's wisdom.

Everyone deserves a second chance. Hey, I even believe Saren had something good left in him ...

^^   Couldn't agree more with Cpt.Data. 

[Jukaga]

CptData wrote...

^ the romance for Tali is done in a decent way, Jukaga. I tried to point out Tali's romance is quite short, since she returns late in ME2 and ME3, reducing her screen time by a lot compared to Garrus and Liara.

That's the only reason I put Tali's romance to "secondary" level.

Ah ok, I get your point. Although I feel that she comes early enough in ME2 I agree the long delay to get to the Rannoch arc can be a painful wait if you just want to see her again. The stellar treatment she gets during the Rannoch arc makes up for it, mostly.

[Iakus]

Knight of Seven wrote...

When does this happen in the Citadel DLC? It never occured in my game and I just spent an hour trying to find it on youtube to no avail. I'd love to see this could you tell me how to get this scene or post a link of it on youtube? 

I think it happens during the quiet party.

[P. Domi]

iakus wrote...

Knight of Seven wrote...

When does this happen in the Citadel DLC? It never occured in my game and I just spent an hour trying to find it on youtube to no avail. I'd love to see this could you tell me how to get this scene or post a link of it on youtube? 

I think it happens during the quiet party.

Confirmed, during the quiet party, while 5 or 6 peope are sitting and standing around the table upstairs. Also, there's a fun banter where Joker tells Ash if she doesn't mind sitting next to the synthetic that smashed her head against a shuttle, she answers in good humour: "You guys are jerks". 

Modifié par pablodomi, 29 mai 2013 - 07:28 .

[CronoDragoon]

CptData wrote...

^ the romance for Tali is done in a decent way, Jukaga. I tried to point out Tali's romance is quite short, since she returns late in ME2 and ME3, reducing her screen time by a lot compared to Garrus and Liara.

That's the only reason I put Tali's romance to "secondary" level.

But how many actual scenes/dialogues are there for Tali's romance compared to Garrus? Let's not forget that although you get Garrus early in ME2, he's famous for often having nothing to say.

It also helps that in ME3 Patrick Weekes basically wrote the Tali romance into the entire Rannoch arc. I think the main difference is not quantity of content but density. Tali gets a lot of stuff once you get her, while Garrus's scenes are more spread out.

[Sashimi_taco]

I liked that she was kick*** but i felt like she didn't even exist in me3 when I had her alive.

[Jukaga]

CronoDragoon wrote...


It also helps that in ME3 Patrick Weekes basically wrote the Tali romance into the entire Rannoch arc. I think the main difference is not quantity of content but density. Tali gets a lot of stuff once you get her, while Garrus's scenes are more spread out.

Bam! you nailed it, that is why it's so good, the romance isn't just canned scenes in engineering, it's woven into the Rannoch plot flawlessly. It has the appeal of the initial reunion, the secret/forbidden romance that you hide from the Admirals, the great teasing you get from crewmates, the confirmation of their love before the Reaper fight and a priceless gift to Tali and the Quarians at the end. I used to be pretty much exclusively femshep/Liara but the quality of this relationship equals it, and surpasses Liara's in many ways.

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As for Ash, there just isn't enough content there for the player to sink their teeth into. At least Kaidan got some decent treatment but Ash just kinda occupies space and that's sad because she has alot going for her in her background.

[Han Shot First]

Exile Isan wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Garrus as a 'secondary' LI?

Surely you jest. Garrus got just as much dialogue as Liara.

If I remember right, through the whole trilogy, Garrus has more dialog than any other character.

And in ME3 I would argue that he has more romance dialog than any of the other romances (I haven't finished my Liara romance yet so can't say for certain).

And if you want to talk about romances that got the shaft then Thane pre-Citadel takes the cake.

You are right on both counts. I can understand someone griping about Jack or Thane having less content than Liara in ME3, even if I disagree that Liara needed less content. But Garrus?! He got more love from the writers than any other squadmate in the series.

[TheMyron]

CptData wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

You don't just kill someone for being annoying 

I would in a videogame. Ask me if I'd like to kill off 1-2 characters in every JRPG and it becomes easy.

Fascinating.

I don't do that. In my very first playthrough (I disliked Jack and nearly never used Samara), I saved all of them in the Suicide Mission in ME2. It was the best opportunity to get rid of them without pulling the trigger by myself, but I didn't do it. Why? Because I rp my Shepard as a good captain. Someone who cares for his crew, regardless if he likes a certain character or not.
In my second playthrough I started liking Jack and enjoyed Samara's wisdom.

Everyone deserves a second chance. Hey, I even believe Saren had something good left in him ...

Indeed, the purpose for a role-playing-game is to "be yourself."

[CptData]

Jukaga wrote...

As for Ash, there just isn't enough content there for the player to sink their teeth into. At least Kaidan got some decent treatment but Ash just kinda occupies space and that's sad because she has alot going for her in her background.

That's why my image of Ashley is based 90% on ME1!Ashley + Headcanon. ME3!Ash lacks too much to be attractive as a character and if I had started the series with ME3, I couldn't fall for her.

"Who is that woman?" should be a question in everyones head playing ME3 without knowledge of ME1 and ME2.

[Han Shot First]

TheMyron wrote...


Indeed, the purpose for a role-playing-game is to "be yourself."

[CronoDragoon]

TheMyron wrote...

Indeed, the purpose for a role-playing-game is to "be yourself."

I always role-play the main character AND myself playing the game. For example: myself playing the game won't finish games that are terrible, even though the main character would not choose to blink out of existence.

[TheMyron]

CronoDragoon wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Indeed, the purpose for a role-playing-game is to "be yourself."

I always role-play the main character AND myself playing the game. For example: myself playing the game won't finish games that are terrible, even though the main character would not choose to blink out of existence.

Indeed, That's why My Shepard would choose Destroy in the manner mentioned in this forum. 

http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/2

[TheMyron]

Lizardviking wrote...

CptData wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

You don't just kill someone for being annoying 

I would in a videogame. Ask me if I'd like to kill off 1-2 characters in every JRPG and it becomes easy.

Fascinating.

I don't do that. In my very first playthrough (I disliked Jack and nearly never used Samara), I saved all of them in the Suicide Mission in ME2. It was the best opportunity to get rid of them without pulling the trigger by myself, but I didn't do it. Why? Because I rp my Shepard as a good captain. Someone who cares for his crew, regardless if he likes a certain character or not.
In my second playthrough I started liking Jack and enjoyed Samara's wisdom.

Everyone deserves a second chance. Hey, I even believe Saren had something good left in him ...

It is not about roleplaying, it is about doing the story a favor by weeding out some of the terrible characters that plaque it.

Granted, there are also characters I do kill off for RP reasons, such as Elnora, the Rachni queen, etc...

With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

[Zeldrik1389]

Well If you look closely at the scene, right before the regen interrupt, Elnora was about grab her gun. she's fully prepared to shoot you. And later on you will come across a recording of her saying how she enjoyed killing that Volus merchant. So yeah, she's a cold blood murderous ****. So yeah, honestly, getting rid of her doesn't sound bad to me.
Anyhow, on the topic. I don't like Ashley at all, but I can understand why some people like her. She's a strong, driven woman, seriously lack of flexibility, can't see pass regulation and rules... etc... but a good soldier. Some people like women like that. Just a matter of taste I guess.

[Jukaga]

TheMyron wrote...



With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

Hardly. If you pay attention, it's made clear that Eclipse members only get their uniform after performing their first kill. Keeping that in mind, it's painfully obvious that she is lying to you.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

iakus wrote...

I really hope no one cuts these folks off in traffic 

*loads shotgun* :innocent:

Seriously though think most of us are well aware of the differences in fantasy and reality.

You know I was kidding;)

Mostly:P

I can see why some people romance her but yeah not my cup of tea.

CronoDragoon wrote...

I would in a videogame. Ask me if I'd like to kill off 1-2 characters in every JRPG and it becomes easy.

This.

People who say that probably haven't played SO with that damn Farleen shrieking in their ear. Good god if I had to hear her any longer....

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 mai 2013 - 08:46 .

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

It also helps that in ME3 Patrick Weekes basically wrote the Tali romance into the entire Rannoch arc. I think the main difference is not quantity of content but density. Tali gets a lot of stuff once you get her, while Garrus's scenes are more spread out.

I think this is why I'm one of maybe four people in the world that kinda likes the Mars mission.

For a romanced Ash, I really got a sense of her struggling to figure out if Shepard is still the man she loved, or if that person is dead and all that's left is a Cerberus puppet, perhaps not even aware that he's being controlled.

[P. Domi]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

Well If you look closely at the scene, right before the regen interrupt, Elnora was about grab her gun. she's fully prepared to shoot you. And later on you will come across a recording of her saying how she enjoyed killing that Volus merchant. So yeah, she's a cold blood murderous ****. So yeah, honestly, getting rid of her doesn't sound bad to me.
Anyhow, on the topic. I don't like Ashley at all, but I can understand why some people like her. She's a strong, driven woman, seriously lack of flexibility, can't see pass regulation and rules... etc... but a good soldier. Some people like women like that. Just a matter of taste I guess.

Well, in my playthough, she really has flexibility, and Shepard has reach 

Now, after my silly joke, it's necessary to highlight that both Kaidan Alenko and Ashley Williams are in the Alliance military. True, it's a fictional military, but in ME 1 the writers did try to present it with some characteristics taken from contemporary military forces.As a NCO, in her position as Gunnery Chief, I don't really know what other attitude would she have towards regulations that wouldn't just be off character. Also, she is a very driven woman indeed, because it's the only chance she might have to have a successful career in the Alliance Navy: "A Williams must be better than the best, just not to attract suspicions", her family is blacklisted after the surrender of the Shanxi Garrison by her grandfather (this is all taken from in-game dialogue and the game codex). She can see beyond regulations, and that's why she becomes romantically interested in Shepard. Unlike Liara, who is a civilian, she is bound by military regulations and to ignore them, it would be to put her whole in career in danger, the thing she has spent all her life fighting for. She only gives in when they put themselves beyond the Alliance and the Council authority, when they become "outlaws" in the end-game.

I just think these traits were really appropriate for the character, and both L'Étoile and Karpyshyn did an excellent job with her, just my opinion. I believe Alenko behaves in a similar way if you play a femshep, but I can't confirm this, I've only played broshep

Modifié par pablodomi, 29 mai 2013 - 09:13 .