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[MassivelyEffective0730]

iakus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

It also helps that in ME3 Patrick Weekes basically wrote the Tali romance into the entire Rannoch arc. I think the main difference is not quantity of content but density. Tali gets a lot of stuff once you get her, while Garrus's scenes are more spread out.

I think this is why I'm one of maybe four people in the world that kinda likes the Mars mission.

For a romanced Ash, I really got a sense of her struggling to figure out if Shepard is still the man she loved, or if that person is dead and all that's left is a Cerberus puppet, perhaps not even aware that he's being controlled.

I like the Mars mission too, and I think that's alright. For my game, Ashley is having the same issue as you. The problem is that it's also moot. The Shepard she loved never really existed in the first place, nor did Shepard ever really love her. He was with her before he died, but his feelings were much ore ambiguous and uncertain to him. He missed her, but he didn't necessarily long for her. Her reaction on Horizon killed any possibility of reconciliation between the two (though granted, Shepard believes that it was doomed for multiple other reasons). As for who he is, he's just now a lot more bitter and cynical than he was before. Dying affected him to an extent, but it didn't change him, nor did Cerberus. It opened his eyes though to the true nature of the council and alliance. Cerberus didn't need to change my Shepard. All they had to do was show him where to look. 

So I think it's kind of funny with drama and stuff to have Ashley struggle for months after Shepard is arrested because she has this big idea of what and who Shepard is, and then to finally see him only to be promptly shot down. She of course takes it pretty bad, coming to believe that he is indeed being controlled by Cerberus, when he in fact now has a barely concealed loathing for the alliance, the council, and her. 

He believes she used her attachment to his name and accomplishments to get herself noticed, and she wants to get back to being the power couple, this great ideal of the alliance. Shepard wants nothing to do with that, and it pisses her off that Shepard is so dismissive of that.

[David7204]

So that's why Shepard went back to the Alliance in ME 3, huh? Because he loathed it so much?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

So that's why Shepard went back to the Alliance in ME 3, huh? Because he loathed it so much?

If this was anyone else but you, I'd actually give a well-thought out response.

As it is, I think you're here to start crap again. I'm contacting a mod.

[Iakus]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I like the Mars mission too, and I think that's alright. For my game, Ashley is having the same issue as you. The problem is that it's also moot. The Shepard she loved never really existed in the first place, nor did Shepard ever really love her. He was with her before he died, but his feelings were much ore ambiguous and uncertain to him. He missed her, but he didn't necessarily long for her. Her reaction on Horizon killed any possibility of reconciliation between the two (though granted, Shepard believes that it was doomed for multiple other reasons). As for who he is, he's just now a lot more bitter and cynical than he was before. Dying affected him to an extent, but it didn't change him, nor did Cerberus. It opened his eyes though to the true nature of the council and alliance. Cerberus didn't need to change my Shepard. All they had to do was show him where to look. 

So I think it's kind of funny with drama and stuff to have Ashley struggle for months after Shepard is arrested because she has this big idea of what and who Shepard is, and then to finally see him only to be promptly shot down. She of course takes it pretty bad, coming to believe that he is indeed being controlled by Cerberus, when he in fact now has a barely concealed loathing for the alliance, the council, and her. 

He believes she used her attachment to his name and accomplishments to get herself noticed, and she wants to get back to being the power couple, this great ideal of the alliance. Shepard wants nothing to do with that, and it pisses her off that Shepard is so dismissive of that.

And here I was thinking Shep and Ash had something important, and were trying to work their way past the sabotage TIM did to keep Shepard away from his friends and loved ones.  And when Ash finally smiles and says "That's what I needed to hear" they were finally reconnecting.

Then she gets her skull cracked by EVA and Shepard nearly loses his poop.

[Nole]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

iakus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

It also helps that in ME3 Patrick Weekes basically wrote the Tali romance into the entire Rannoch arc. I think the main difference is not quantity of content but density. Tali gets a lot of stuff once you get her, while Garrus's scenes are more spread out.

I think this is why I'm one of maybe four people in the world that kinda likes the Mars mission.

For a romanced Ash, I really got a sense of her struggling to figure out if Shepard is still the man she loved, or if that person is dead and all that's left is a Cerberus puppet, perhaps not even aware that he's being controlled.

I like the Mars mission too, and I think that's alright. For my game, Ashley is having the same issue as you. The problem is that it's also moot. The Shepard she loved never really existed in the first place, nor did Shepard ever really love her. He was with her before he died, but his feelings were much ore ambiguous and uncertain to him. He missed her, but he didn't necessarily long for her. Her reaction on Horizon killed any possibility of reconciliation between the two (though granted, Shepard believes that it was doomed for multiple other reasons). As for who he is, he's just now a lot more bitter and cynical than he was before. Dying affected him to an extent, but it didn't change him, nor did Cerberus. It opened his eyes though to the true nature of the council and alliance. Cerberus didn't need to change my Shepard. All they had to do was show him where to look. 

So I think it's kind of funny with drama and stuff to have Ashley struggle for months after Shepard is arrested because she has this big idea of what and who Shepard is, and then to finally see him only to be promptly shot down. She of course takes it pretty bad, coming to believe that he is indeed being controlled by Cerberus, when he in fact now has a barely concealed loathing for the alliance, the council, and her. 

He believes she used her attachment to his name and accomplishments to get herself noticed, and she wants to get back to being the power couple, this great ideal of the alliance. Shepard wants nothing to do with that, and it pisses her off that Shepard is so dismissive of that.

I assume you killed her in the Citadel mission? Or keeping her alive to make her feel more miserable ?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

iakus wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I like the Mars mission too, and I think that's alright. For my game, Ashley is having the same issue as you. The problem is that it's also moot. The Shepard she loved never really existed in the first place, nor did Shepard ever really love her. He was with her before he died, but his feelings were much ore ambiguous and uncertain to him. He missed her, but he didn't necessarily long for her. Her reaction on Horizon killed any possibility of reconciliation between the two (though granted, Shepard believes that it was doomed for multiple other reasons). As for who he is, he's just now a lot more bitter and cynical than he was before. Dying affected him to an extent, but it didn't change him, nor did Cerberus. It opened his eyes though to the true nature of the council and alliance. Cerberus didn't need to change my Shepard. All they had to do was show him where to look. 

So I think it's kind of funny with drama and stuff to have Ashley struggle for months after Shepard is arrested because she has this big idea of what and who Shepard is, and then to finally see him only to be promptly shot down. She of course takes it pretty bad, coming to believe that he is indeed being controlled by Cerberus, when he in fact now has a barely concealed loathing for the alliance, the council, and her. 

He believes she used her attachment to his name and accomplishments to get herself noticed, and she wants to get back to being the power couple, this great ideal of the alliance. Shepard wants nothing to do with that, and it pisses her off that Shepard is so dismissive of that.

And here I was thinking Shep and Ash had something important, and were trying to work their way past the sabotage TIM did to keep Shepard away from his friends and loved ones.  And when Ash finally smiles and says "That's what I needed to hear" they were finally reconnecting.

Then she gets her skull cracked by EVA and Shepard nearly loses his poop.

My Shepard gave her the "Deal with it" response. He knows TIM was manipulating him, but TIM was manipulating him with the truth. Anyone who didn't see that wasn't worth Shepard's time. There was no sabotage to be had. He tried reasoning with TIM, seeing what they were up to, even preparing to jump ship to get Cerberus support. Then he realizes that TIM is indoctrinated, or in the early throes of it. He's doing some pretty stupid things right now, and regardless of how he feels about the alliance and the Council, now they're really all he has.

Hell, for a brief few moments, my Shepard nearly left Ashley to die on Mars until his better nature took over. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMyron wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

CptData wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

You don't just kill someone for being annoying 

I would in a videogame. Ask me if I'd like to kill off 1-2 characters in every JRPG and it becomes easy.

Fascinating.

I don't do that. In my very first playthrough (I disliked Jack and nearly never used Samara), I saved all of them in the Suicide Mission in ME2. It was the best opportunity to get rid of them without pulling the trigger by myself, but I didn't do it. Why? Because I rp my Shepard as a good captain. Someone who cares for his crew, regardless if he likes a certain character or not.
In my second playthrough I started liking Jack and enjoyed Samara's wisdom.

Everyone deserves a second chance. Hey, I even believe Saren had something good left in him ...

It is not about roleplaying, it is about doing the story a favor by weeding out some of the terrible characters that plaque it.

Granted, there are also characters I do kill off for RP reasons, such as Elnora, the Rachni queen, etc...

With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

Elnora pretends to surrender, then promtly pulls a gun on Shepard. As soon as I saw her do that I hit the renegade interupt button. My Shepard shot her in self-defence. I actually find it really out of character for Shepard to just not immediately shoot Elnora as soon as she tries to pull that trick, from what I understand, most special forces are usually trained for this.

And even then, she wears an eclipse uniform, which means she has murdered atleast one person before...

Modifié par Lizardviking, 29 mai 2013 - 09:39 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

WittingEight65 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

iakus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

It also helps that in ME3 Patrick Weekes basically wrote the Tali romance into the entire Rannoch arc. I think the main difference is not quantity of content but density. Tali gets a lot of stuff once you get her, while Garrus's scenes are more spread out.

I think this is why I'm one of maybe four people in the world that kinda likes the Mars mission.

For a romanced Ash, I really got a sense of her struggling to figure out if Shepard is still the man she loved, or if that person is dead and all that's left is a Cerberus puppet, perhaps not even aware that he's being controlled.

I like the Mars mission too, and I think that's alright. For my game, Ashley is having the same issue as you. The problem is that it's also moot. The Shepard she loved never really existed in the first place, nor did Shepard ever really love her. He was with her before he died, but his feelings were much ore ambiguous and uncertain to him. He missed her, but he didn't necessarily long for her. Her reaction on Horizon killed any possibility of reconciliation between the two (though granted, Shepard believes that it was doomed for multiple other reasons). As for who he is, he's just now a lot more bitter and cynical than he was before. Dying affected him to an extent, but it didn't change him, nor did Cerberus. It opened his eyes though to the true nature of the council and alliance. Cerberus didn't need to change my Shepard. All they had to do was show him where to look. 

So I think it's kind of funny with drama and stuff to have Ashley struggle for months after Shepard is arrested because she has this big idea of what and who Shepard is, and then to finally see him only to be promptly shot down. She of course takes it pretty bad, coming to believe that he is indeed being controlled by Cerberus, when he in fact now has a barely concealed loathing for the alliance, the council, and her. 

He believes she used her attachment to his name and accomplishments to get herself noticed, and she wants to get back to being the power couple, this great ideal of the alliance. Shepard wants nothing to do with that, and it pisses her off that Shepard is so dismissive of that.

I assume you killed her in the Citadel mission? Or keeping her alive to make her feel more miserable ?

Still haven't figured out which one I like more. I think I'm going to go with the keep her alive scenario for fanfiction/headcanon purposes. There's a lot of drama to be had with her. It's just coming up with a believable scenario to keep her alive, since the moment my Shepard see's that gun, and with what Ashley has made herself to him, he would pull the trigger without any hesitation or remorse.

I'm treating Ashley sort of like an Amish society. She's basically shunning you for leaving the alliance (whether you want to or not) to shame you into going back to her. Well, that bird isn't flying with my Shepard. She's like Tali in a way, in love with this idea of Shepard.

Not to discount people who romance her. I'd wager she's a good fit to your Shepards since you make her one.

[TheMyron]

Jukaga wrote...

TheMyron wrote...



With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

Hardly. If you pay attention, it's made clear that Eclipse members only get their uniform after performing their first kill. Keeping that in mind, it's painfully obvious that she is lying to you.

True, but you find out afterwards.

[TheMyron]

TheMyron wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

TheMyron wrote...



With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

Hardly. If you pay attention, it's made clear that Eclipse members only get their uniform after performing their first kill. Keeping that in mind, it's painfully obvious that she is lying to you.

True, but you find out afterwards.

Who likes the Volus anyway?

Besides, My Shepard has killed enough beautiful Asari and she sounds like the type capable of turning over a new leaf.

[Jukaga]

TheMyron wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

TheMyron wrote...



With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

Hardly. If you pay attention, it's made clear that Eclipse members only get their uniform after performing their first kill. Keeping that in mind, it's painfully obvious that she is lying to you.

True, but you find out afterwards.

Who likes the Volus anyway?

Besides, My Shepard has killed enough beautiful Asari and she sounds like the type capable of turning over a new leaf.

Anyone dumb enough to risk a 1000 year lifespan to run with a merc crew deserves what is coming to them. New leaf? Did you listen to her log? She's practically having an orgasm over murdering that volus.

Modifié par Jukaga, 29 mai 2013 - 10:18 .

[TheMyron]

Jukaga wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

TheMyron wrote...



With no evidence, killing Elnora is murder-of-a-chick, ( which is worse than regular in my book.), As for the Rachni Queen, I see a long term solution the Krogan overbreeding problem after I cure the genophage.

More details on this forum: http://social.biowar...ndex/16650673/1

Hardly. If you pay attention, it's made clear that Eclipse members only get their uniform after performing their first kill. Keeping that in mind, it's painfully obvious that she is lying to you.

True, but you find out afterwards.

Who likes the Volus anyway?

Besides, My Shepard has killed enough beautiful Asari and she sounds like the type capable of turning over a new leaf.

Anyone dumb enough to risk a 1000 year lifespan to run with a merc crew deserves what is coming to them. New leaf? Did you listen to her log? She's practically having an orgasm over murdering that volus.

All I hear is a hot-headed teenage girl, and I have known many in my life. Plus, I think It would be a funny sight  indeed if Bioware would allow us to see it.

[Jukaga]

TheMyron wrote...
All I hear is a hot-headed teenage girl, and I have known many in my life. Plus, I think It would be a funny sight  indeed if Bioware would allow us to see it.

I've known a few as well, and hell I'm the father of one, but none of them have ever killed someone (to my knowledge) then afterwards went 'SQUEEEE! I'm like so totally happy I killed that guy! I'm a big girl now!'

[Exile Isan]

Jukaga wrote...
I've known a few as well, and hell I'm the father of one, but none of them have ever killed someone (to my knowledge) then afterwards went 'SQUEEEE! I'm like so totally happy I killed that guy! I'm a big girl now!'

I will point out though that she seems scared to death of Shepard's team even before they actually even confront her, "Goddess, don't let them see me." or something to that effect she's damned near panicked and I doubt she was doing it for show. Elnora was also hiding from Shepard and her/his team after they killed the other Eclipse sisters. So yeah she talks big, but when confront with the real enemy she folded pretty fast.

Also how the heck did we end up talking about Elnora in a thread about Ashley?

Modifié par Exile Isan, 30 mai 2013 - 02:01 .

[NovaBlastMarketing]

IMO Ashley<3 and Miri<3  were the best two women and "people" in the game  they are both strong in differnt ways  and both havea lot  of great qualitys  despite how much poeple want  to say other wise.Bioware actually created two women i was not only physically attracted to but had a connection with their personalities .

Which is 2/3  of the ingredients  in finding your match  (the third being a mutal spark")  but  for  being virtual creations  2/3 is awsome .Secondly. had no romantic connection with either Tali or Liara

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 30 mai 2013 - 06:30 .

[CptData]

@NovaBlastMarketing

I like your interpretation of the idea behind "love". For me, Ash is totally my type of woman I'd go for. Same for her character. At first I was irritated by her attitude towards aliens but I tried to understand Ashley. It was worth the effort. With every passing main mission I learned more about Ash and feel more attracted to her character. The one and only thing that's left is the "mutual part" - a virtual character can't love you.

Thing is: 'though I'm taken, I'm not fully happy with my relationship. If someone sends a woman like Ash in my direction who also feels attracted to me, I don't know if I could stay with my girlfriend. Just saying.

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

Well If you look closely at the scene, right before the regen interrupt, Elnora was about grab her gun. she's fully prepared to shoot you. And later on you will come across a recording of her saying how she enjoyed killing that Volus merchant. So yeah, she's a cold blood murderous ****. So yeah, honestly, getting rid of her doesn't sound bad to me.
Anyhow, on the topic. I don't like Ashley at all, but I can understand why some people like her. She's a strong, driven woman, seriously lack of flexibility, can't see pass regulation and rules... etc... but a good soldier. Some people like women like that. Just a matter of taste I guess.

She has sex with her superior officer. That's "against the rules" *g*

And yeah, I definitely love the "strong, driven woman" part of her. And her poems. Hell, I'm an atheist and I don't even mind her monotheistic belief, it's part of her character. ^^

Modifié par CptData, 30 mai 2013 - 08:02 .

[Hey]

she's tha human girl that you can relate to like WTFisgoingon! Plus she's cute and you have kismet... or not

[TheMyron]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

IMO Ashley<3 and Miri<3  were the best two women and "people" in the game  they are both strong in differnt ways  and both havea lot  of great qualitys  despite how much poeple want  to say other wise.Bioware actually created two women i was not only physically attracted to but had a connection with their personalities .

Which is 2/3  of the ingredients  in finding your match  (the third being a mutal spark")  but  for  being virtual creations  2/3 is awsome .Secondly. had no romantic connection with either Tali or Liara

I think the same thing, except its Ashley vs. Jack in my book.

[CptData]

If you really want to read more about Ash, there's a full thread in the closed characters forum and "Ashley's Sanctuary". I don't know if there's another active Ashley group at the moment ... I do have two, but one is quite inactive.

[DirtySHISN0]

I have tried an ashley romance before now.


Thought trying her romance would change my opinion of her character.

It did not.

[Helios969]

Just finally got around to romancing her...have to say it helps some. She's still far from my favorite character, but it adds a bit more depth to her. It's especially fun if you romance Miranda in 2 and she scolds you for your choice and you get the renegade option and berate her for treating you like dirt and essentially dumping you on Horizon in 2. There's some good tension and conflict between Shep and Ash. In truth it's probably the most realistic "relationship" Mass Effect offers. If you haven't done so I recommend romancing her and taking her on every mission...I still don't love her, but no longer despise her the way I used to. Now if there was a way to make Kaiden less boring...

[BronzTrooper]

I did an Ash trilogy romance and I thought it was pretty lack-luster. I like her cause she's always ready for a fight... but, in ME3, she's kinda boring. I only recruit her cause I could always use another squaddie. I never talk to her though. Kaidan is more interesting in ME3, despite being more monotone.

[CptData]

Helios969 wrote...

Just finally got around to romancing her...have to say it helps some. She's still far from my favorite character, but it adds a bit more depth to her. It's especially fun if you romance Miranda in 2 and she scolds you for your choice and you get the renegade option and berate her for treating you like dirt and essentially dumping you on Horizon in 2. There's some good tension and conflict between Shep and Ash. In truth it's probably the most realistic "relationship" Mass Effect offers. If you haven't done so I recommend romancing her and taking her on every mission...I still don't love her, but no longer despise her the way I used to. Now if there was a way to make Kaiden less boring...

The only downside of Ash is ME3. You get a quite realistic illusion of a working relationship in ME1 and ME2 (she's disappointed and feels betrayed!!) - but all is gone in ME3. Actually, MOST relationships lack any conflict potential in the series. In ME1 you had the option to run into a love-triangle issue between Ash and Liara (Kaidan and Liara). There were no real conflicts of LIs in ME2 and ME3 reduced ANY conflicts to a dialogue and two or three lines. Well, at least Tali and Ashley had an argument while doing the dreadnaught mission.

If you really ask me, I'd add more conflicts and talks and everything regarding romances and friendships to the series. That also includes Ashley. I don't want to put in a romance simulation or something - just enough to make any romance authentic. It helps to rp Shepard the way you want. And if you want a "cheating b*stard" Shepard it should be an option including consequences similar to a Shepard that's loyal to one LI. In that case, the consequences should be more pleasant.

[Iakus]

[quote]CptData wrote...
The only downside of Ash is ME3. You get a quite realistic illusion of a working relationship in ME1 and ME2 (she's disappointed and feels betrayed!!) - but all is gone in ME3. Actually, MOST relationships lack any conflict potential in the series. In ME1 you had the option to run into a love-triangle issue between Ash and Liara (Kaidan and Liara). There were no real conflicts of LIs in ME2 and ME3 reduced ANY conflicts to a dialogue and two or three lines. Well, at least Tali and Ashley had an argument while doing the dreadnaught mission.[/quote]

[/quote]

That's actually one thing that's kinda cool are the different ways the two can respond to each other in the mission:

If you're stringing both along, they act catty towards each other

If you dumped one for the other, they're chilly, but civil to each other

If you stayed loyal, or romanced neither, they're friendly to each other "just like old times"

Modifié par iakus, 30 mai 2013 - 02:58 .

[CptData]

^ wrong quote / quote mix'd, Iakus. I like Kaidan

Man, I wish ME would get a reboot one day ...

Modifié par CptData, 30 mai 2013 - 01:48 .