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[themikefest]

Maybe you folks might be able to answer this question for me.

The horizon mission in ME2, Ashley gives Shepard a hard time.
How different would the conversation of been if Liara told Ashley that Shepard's body was given to Cerberus?

What's interresting about it is that you learn after that mission, through the SB dlc, that Liara gave Shepard's body to Cerberus and you're not able to tell Ashley at all in ME3. Now I know the dlc can be avoided, but I just find that whole scenario interesting.

If I romanced Ashley and I knew my body was given to Cerberus, I would've told her. It would be intereting to see her reaction.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm not sure what would have changed. Doesn't Shepard say at one point during the convo that Cerberus brought him back from the dead? Ashley is mad at Shepard for staying with Cerberus after he was revived and suspicious that it's because he's not really Shepard or that they're controlling him. So if anything wouldn't it make her more suspicious?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

iakus wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

During LOTSB the original SB will comment on the base decision. The SB, an independant party, knew what has happened. If the base was destroyed he says that he wants the Reaper IFF so he can salvage the remains of the facility.

Yes the Shadow Broker knew what happened.  But there's knowing something and then there's proving something. 

I would say that it is a fairly certain thing that if the Shadow Broker knows something, it is most likely because he has something to back it up.

Well as you said, recordings have always been inconsistent as to the ability to authenticate. 

And the people who can potentially testify are Joker, Chakwas, Ken, and Gabby.  Chakwas was the only one not in lockup for being a member of Cerberus.  All their words are suspect.

You forgot Jack, who the Alliance apparently were quite willing to welcome back with open arms.

And I thought we were just talking about Shepard's credibility from the VS's standpoint? You would think if the entire ship's crew vouched for Shepard's story, including Joker and Chakwas, they would have more faith in him. Or does Ash think even Joker and Chakwas are in on the big evil conspiracy out to get her?

Hell, this is not even counting how dumb the VS is if Garrus and Liara are present during the coup.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 mai 2013 - 04:44 .

[Iakus]

Lizardviking wrote...

I would say that it is a fairly certain thing that if the Shadow Broker knows something, it is most likely because he has something to back it up.
 

Maybe.  We we never saw anything that could back it up. 

You forgot Jack, who the Alliance apparently were quite willing to welcome back with open arms.

And I thought we were just talking about Shepard's credibility from the VS's standpoint? You would think if the entire ship's crew vouched for Shepard's story, including Joker and Chakwas, they would have more faith in him. Or does Ash think even Joker and Chakwas are in on the big evil conspiracy out to get her?

Hell, this is not even counting how dumb the VS is if Garrus and Liara are present during the coup.

Jack I got the impression was specifically tracked down and recruited by Hackett for her biotics.  She's still, well Jack.  With a long and colorful past. 

I just mentioned those who came back to the Alliance with Shepard.  It seems everyone else went their separate ways after teh Collector Base.  Sure Garrus or Tali might have been able to support  Shepard's word to the VS if they were aware Shepard eneded help. 

And hopefully it wouldn't be a scene as derpworthy as Horizon's "Garrus?  You joined Cerberus too?"

As to teh coup, I have no idea what you're taling about, I had Ash trainingher gun on Udina in under two minutes.  Only one conversation option needed, no blue/red text

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

iakus wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I would say that it is a fairly certain thing that if the Shadow Broker knows something, it is most likely because he has something to back it up.

Maybe.  We we never saw anything that could back it up. 

I am repeating myself now, but the dialog in LOTSB implies that he does know what has happened beyong the Omnega 4 relay, and since we are talking about the SB, it is a reasonable assumption to guess he has facts to back it up.

iakus wrote...

Jack I got the impression was specifically tracked down and recruited by Hackett for her biotics.  She's still, well Jack.  With a long and colorful past. 

That is partially true, but IIRC she says that the Alliance was also quite aware of her involvement with Shepard. So I don't see it as unlikely that they would have interviewed/questioned her about the suicide mission.

And Jack's colorful past just makes it even more likely that she is not some Cerberus mole.

iakus wrote...
I just mentioned those who came back to the Alliance with Shepard.  It seems everyone else went their separate ways after teh Collector Base.  Sure Garrus or Tali might have been able to support  Shepard's word to the VS if they were aware Shepard eneded help. 

And hopefully it wouldn't be a scene as derpworthy as Horizon's "Garrus?  You joined Cerberus too?"

As to teh coup, I have no idea what you're taling about, I had Ash trainingher gun on Udina in under two minutes.  Only one conversation option needed, no blue/red text

Then let me explain to you.

[Shepard, Garrus and Liara walks into the area]
Udina : Shepard is blocking our escape, he's with Cerberus! ... And so are the aliens!
VS : Gosh! You're right! [pulls gun]

"edit" Should note that I am talking about the "worst" version of the showdown scene, where they refuse to back down.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 mai 2013 - 05:12 .

[Iakus]

Lizardviking wrote...

I am repeating myself now, but the dialog in LOTSB implies that he does know what has happened beyong the Omnega 4 relay, and since we are talking about the SB, it is a reasonable assumption to guess he has facts to back it up.

Again, maybe.  But is it anything beyond "Shepard blew up the base"?  Context matters a lot here.

iakus wrote...
That is partially true, but IIRC she says that the Alliance was also quite aware of her involvement with Shepard. So I don't see it as unlikely that they would have interviewed/questioned her about the suicide mission.

And Jack's colorful past just makes it even more likely that she is not some Cerberus mole.

Yeah, but Hackett trusts Shepard, and was clearly keeping tabs on him throughout his tenure in Cerberus.  I suspect recruiting Jack wasn't a totally official act.  But a personal project to help prepare for the war.

Just my own feeling of course.

How do you figure her past makes her less likely to be with Cerberus?  A "convenient" escappee from one of their labs? 

iakus wrote...
Then let me explain to you.

[Shepard, Garrus and Liara walks into the area]
Udina : Shepard is blocking our escape, he's with Cerberus! ... And so are the aliens!
VS : Gosh! You're right! [pulls gun]

"edit" Should note that I am talking about the "worst" version of the showdown scene, where they refuse to back down.

Yeah, that's just as derpworthy as Horizon.

Fortunately for me, that simply doesn't happen

[TheMyron]

Jukaga wrote...



Anyone dumb enough to risk a 1000 year lifespan to run with a merc crew deserves what is coming to them. New leaf? Did you listen to her log? She's practically having an orgasm over murdering that volus.

Miranda and Jack each turned over a new leaf.

[TheMyron]

TheMyron wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

IMO Ashley<3 and Miri<3  were the best two women and "people" in the game  they are both strong in differnt ways  and both havea lot  of great qualitys  despite how much poeple want  to say other wise.Bioware actually created two women i was not only physically attracted to but had a connection with their personalities .

Which is 2/3  of the ingredients  in finding your match  (the third being a mutal spark")  but  for  being virtual creations  2/3 is awsome .Secondly. had no romantic connection with either Tali or Liara

I think the same thing, except its Ashley vs. Jack in my book.

Plus, even after she turns over a new leaf, Miranda still has a touch of arrogance in her voice that I don't like, (though I do love her accent).

P.S. She is infertile. My Shepard would want to be an ancestor.

Modifié par TheMyron, 01 juin 2013 - 07:54 .

[kathic]

I thought she was the most compelling and realistic character from ME1. Her father was the first person in human history to surrender to aliens. She was born before First Contact. It is not unreasonable that she or most humans would be skeptical of aliens and their agendas. Asking people to be totally open and accepting of aliens in less than a generation is asking a lot.

[Steelcan]

I liked Ashley reasonably well until ME3. I found her grating and insubordinate, but I liked that she didn't roll over.

Now she does not make it past Virmire.

[TheMyron]

Steelcan wrote...

I liked Ashley reasonably well until ME3. I found her grating and insubordinate, but I liked that she didn't roll over.

Now she does not make it past Virmire.

Even if she's not my LI, I NEVER sacrifice women.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

TheMyron wrote...

I have heard plenty of reasons as to why people dislike/hate Ashley, but I see plenty of people liking her in the polls, but seem to have a hard time finding their opinions in the forums.
Please people, try not to go to far off topic, thanks. Preferably no anti-Ashley's at all, like the first commentator below.

To those who romance Ashley, why Ashley?

Because she has Boobs.

[TheMyron]

DinoSteve wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

I have heard plenty of reasons as to why people dislike/hate Ashley, but I see plenty of people liking her in the polls, but seem to have a hard time finding their opinions in the forums.
Please people, try not to go to far off topic, thanks. Preferably no anti-Ashley's at all, like the first commentator below.

To those who romance Ashley, why Ashley?

Because she has Boobs.

(Clears Throat), All of the women have boobs, plus hourglass figures and great looking qwib qwibs.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

TheMyron wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

I have heard plenty of reasons as to why people dislike/hate Ashley, but I see plenty of people liking her in the polls, but seem to have a hard time finding their opinions in the forums.
Please people, try not to go to far off topic, thanks. Preferably no anti-Ashley's at all, like the first commentator below.

To those who romance Ashley, why Ashley?

Because she has Boobs.

(Clears Throat), All of the women have boobs, plus hourglass figures and great looking qwib qwibs.

and what has that got to do with Ashley.

[CptData]

^ 'cause the reason "Ashley has boobs" is no reason to romance her.

Romancing Ash - well - you need to find her attractive, physically and as a character. ME1 is needed, otherwise ME3!Ash is just a woman with a decent figure but a lacking character.

[Bardox9]

ME1 Ash was a much better character and more interesting LI than Liara. ME3 Ash was a real let down though. Whe I do a play through now I usually romance Liara. If I do romance Ash then I go for Kelly in ME2 then kill Ash during the stand off in ME3 and Romance Liara.

Tali is an interesting choice, but I think she and Garrus make a better match.

[Gkonone]

Ashley is not your average woman. She's a strong opinionated woman with her own thoughts and ideas but she's open to other views. She has a hard shell but she has a big heart once you get to know her really.

Besides that I've always liked her looks in all the games. In ME1/2 she had a real soldier look, perhaps emphasising her strong character. In 3 I found her more femine and sexy, maybe a sign of her finding a sense of self awareness as an attractive woman.

Modifié par Gkonone, 02 juin 2013 - 12:13 .

[andy6915]

kathic wrote...

I thought she was the most compelling and realistic character from ME1. Her father was the first person in human history to surrender to aliens. She was born before First Contact. It is not unreasonable that she or most humans would be skeptical of aliens and their agendas. Asking people to be totally open and accepting of aliens in less than a generation is asking a lot.

*clears throat*

Grandfather. You meant her grandfather.

[PMC65]

“Why Ashley Romance Interest?”

The character of Ashley was the first character in Mass Effect that caught my attention. The first time that you see her she is fighting off the geth and is ready to get back into the battle once Shepard and Kaidan arrive. Now I must admit that her armor of pink and white made me eye roll … This was more non-military than her ME3 outfit. White and pink? Where was her squad fighting? Paris Hilton’s house? I’ve tried to find this armor in the real world but apparently there is no Barbie Squad in the Marines. Sorry, I digress.

What I liked about her personality was that she was sarcastic, honest, driven, spiritual and family-oriented. She was also stubborn, rude and distrustful of others … No one can be perfect.

PV Shepard chose Ashley because they had a lot in common. Both were from military families, spiritual and career driven. PV Shepard is more diplomatic and sober (serious) than Ash so there were moments of friction but it works for them.

Horizon left both of them hurting but for different reasons. She felt betrayed and he felt guilt. After all, he intentionally pushed her away during that confrontation because he did not want her mixed up with Cerberus. He knew that she was (like him) Alliance loyal and so he pushed her buttons to keep her blinded. That was the only way that I could head canon that scene between those two and it work for their story.

I have yet to play him in ME3 so … I can’t comment. Well there is one thing that I don’t understand. Ashley getting drunk on the Normandy gets bashed by individuals, yet drunk Chakwas, Shepard and Tali get a pass? Is it because we expect more from her than the others? Or it is just another excuse to beat up some character that we dislike? Curious. Personally, I don’t mind any of them getting drunk unless it spills onto the battlefield. What these people have seen would have made me sleep in a wine vat on the Normandy. Just saying.  

I find that depending on which Shepard you create will decide who he/she works best with. Ashley works best with my Officer and gentleman type of Shepard. They can be at odds personality wise but on what they want from life; Alliance, honor, family, church … not necessarily in that order … they mesh 100%. 

Special note: It was due to her that I liked Liara more because she was able to pull out that tougher side of the asari and show that both of these characters could bite.  

Modifié par PMC65, 02 juin 2013 - 04:53 .

[TheMyron]

Bardox9 wrote...

ME1 Ash was a much better character and more interesting LI than Liara. ME3 Ash was a real let down though. Whe I do a play through now I usually romance Liara. If I do romance Ash then I go for Kelly in ME2 then kill Ash during the stand off in ME3 and Romance Liara.

Tali is an interesting choice, but I think she and Garrus make a better match.

ME3 was a let down on quite a few characters that I came to like/love.

[CptData]

Bardox9 wrote...

ME1 Ash was a much better character and more interesting LI than Liara. ME3 Ash was a real let down though. Whe I do a play through now I usually romance Liara. If I do romance Ash then I go for Kelly in ME2 then kill Ash during the stand off in ME3 and Romance Liara.

Tali is an interesting choice, but I think she and Garrus make a better match.

Better leave Ash on Virmire: in that case you give her the death of a true soldier which does credit to her outstanding character in ME1.

Keeping her alive to shoot Ash in ME3 doesn't feel right to me. Virmire is the best and fairest opportunity ...

[TheMyron]

CptData wrote...

Bardox9 wrote...

ME1 Ash was a much better character and more interesting LI than Liara. ME3 Ash was a real let down though. Whe I do a play through now I usually romance Liara. If I do romance Ash then I go for Kelly in ME2 then kill Ash during the stand off in ME3 and Romance Liara.

Tali is an interesting choice, but I think she and Garrus make a better match.

Better leave Ash on Virmire: in that case you give her the death of a true soldier which does credit to her outstanding character in ME1.

Keeping her alive to shoot Ash in ME3 doesn't feel right to me. Virmire is the best and fairest opportunity ...

If your not going to let her live because she is a woman, (Women and Children First), at least let her live for Vega's sake, they would make a great couple.

Plus, Kaiden needs a more permanent relief from his migraines.

[TheProtheans]

Miranda is superior in every way.
Having a relationship with Ashley is to have a dull fruitless relationship.

[PMC65]

That gave me a good chuckle!
I would think that fruitless would better describe Miranda's sterility and not either relationship.

Both characters have their strengths and their weaknesses. And both deserve Shepards that fit them.


(3godkings)