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[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

spirosz wrote...

That's irrelevant.  Bioware is free to create and express their ending in whatever fashion they please.  By all means, become a developer, create a game similar to this, create endings that suit your vision, but majority and minority will only matter in future sales.  As this is a similar cycle to each game they release, most fans will be back and there will always be new hordes of players. 

Honestly, we all know the people that have stuck around on these forums for 1+ year to complain about the endings are going to buy the next game anyway.

some yes but not all

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

iakus wrote...

If they really cared about only me, they would have actually, you know, used the EMS system they created to make less grim endings possible.

Fixed 

Don't get cute, you know perfectly well there's a lot more players than I that wanted this.

I think all he's trying to say is that it's all subjective. The EMS system does work to provide variations. The EC is too "grim" for you, but others might have a different opinion.

Hell, even the MEHEM has some level of "grim." The relays and the Citadel are destroyed and the casualities from the war are still astronomically high. Also most of the homeworlds are devastated.

grimgrimgrim grimmy grim grim.

You did notice I said "less grim" yes?

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

iakus wrote...

If they really cared about only me, they would have actually, you know, used the EMS system they created to make less grim endings possible.

Fixed 

Don't get cute, you know perfectly well there's a lot more players than I that wanted this.

I think all he's trying to say is that it's all subjective. The EMS system does work to provide variations. The EC is too "grim" for you, but others might have a different opinion.

Hell, even the MEHEM has some level of "grim." The relays and the Citadel are destroyed and the casualities from the war are still astronomically high. Also most of the homeworlds are devastated.

grimgrimgrim grimmy grim grim.

You did notice I said "less grim" yes?

Yes, I noticed. I can read. My post still stands.

[spirosz]

Too be honest though, even the old forums had that sense of toxicity, it's basically just a cycle. Watch, DA III will just have as much, probably regarding the whole Mage situation from DA II, Anders - art thou done blowing up?

[spirosz]

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

iakus wrote...

If they really cared about only me, they would have actually, you know, used the EMS system they created to make less grim endings possible.

Fixed 

Don't get cute, you know perfectly well there's a lot more players than I that wanted this.

I think all he's trying to say is that it's all subjective. The EMS system does work to provide variations. The EC is too "grim" for you, but others might have a different opinion.

Hell, even the MEHEM has some level of "grim." The relays and the Citadel are destroyed and the casualities from the war are still astronomically high. Also most of the homeworlds are devastated.

grimgrimgrim grimmy grim grim.

You did notice I said "less grim" yes?

Yes, I noticed. I can read. My post still stands.

^

[KiwiQuiche]

On a slightly more serious note, I think they mainly added EC to try and shut people up; but in my opinion it answered some questions, but made even more.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 27 mai 2013 - 02:58 .

[SlottsMachine]

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

spirosz wrote...

That's irrelevant.  Bioware is free to create and express their ending in whatever fashion they please.  By all means, become a developer, create a game similar to this, create endings that suit your vision, but majority and minority will only matter in future sales.  As this is a similar cycle to each game they release, most fans will be back and there will always be new hordes of players. 

Honestly, we all know the people that have stuck around on these forums for 1+ year to complain about the endings are going to buy the next game anyway.

some yes but not all

The ones that say no are lying. As for me I'm buying it, unless its an RTS or some crap. The ME universe still interests me. 

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, I noticed. I can read. My post still stands.

As does mine.  If they cared that people thought the endings were too dark, they could have provided more alternatives, rather than whitewashing the exact same endings.

Heck it probably would have been easier to manage.

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

bad_robot_1992 wrote...

i used to love our community, we were strong and supportive to both bioware and each other. now i only see people insulting the game and each other.

It's what happens when you churn out terrible endings to a trilogy five years in the making and say "speculate"

Or if you overreact to the disgusting levels the Retake movement did and purposely create hostility and hatred.

[AresKeith]

General Slotts wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

some yes but not all

The ones that say no are lying. As for me I'm buying it, unless its an RTS or some crap. The ME universe still interests me. 

For me it depends on what they do, if its a prequel or spin-off I'm not buying it

But I believe that some people who say no are truly not gonna buy it

Modifié par AresKeith, 27 mai 2013 - 03:04 .

[KiwiQuiche]

I think the quote in my sig is also kinda relevant to ME3 original end.

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, I noticed. I can read. My post still stands.

As does mine.  If they cared that people thought the endings were too dark, they could have provided more alternatives, rather than whitewashing the exact same endings.

Heck it probably would have been easier to manage.

More voice acting, more animation to create, blah, blah.  They could have, true, but if they didn't want to, I want to stress that, then they shouldn't be forced to and yes I'll use the term "integrity" with their own work.

[SlottsMachine]

Ugh spin-offs, put that on my do not want list as well. However I think the chances of that are very low.

[spirosz]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I think the quote in my sig is also kinda relevant to ME3 original end.

To be fair, are the character still not pursuing goals after ME3?  Goals being alter depending on Shepard's choice as well.  

Jack will just forget about her kids all of the sudden?  

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

iakus wrote...

If they really cared about only me, they would have actually, you know, used the EMS system they created to make less grim endings possible.

Fixed 

Don't get cute, you know perfectly well there's a lot more players than I that wanted this.

I think all he's trying to say is that it's all subjective. The EMS system does work to provide variations. The EC is too "grim" for you, but others might have a different opinion.

Hell, even the MEHEM has some level of "grim." The relays and the Citadel are destroyed and the casualities from the war are still astronomically high. Also most of the homeworlds are devastated.

grimgrimgrim grimmy grim grim.

Don't forget that you're still guilty of a "war crime" by eliminating any and all Reapers in one fell swoop. 

GRIIIIIIIIM. 

[AresKeith]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, I noticed. I can read. My post still stands.

As does mine.  If they cared that people thought the endings were too dark, they could have provided more alternatives, rather than whitewashing the exact same endings.

Heck it probably would have been easier to manage.

While I agree with you to an extent, I also disagree with your statement

Because Bioware themselves would have to want to do that, they shouldn't be forced to do it

[spirosz]

Morocco Mole wrote...

spirosz wrote...

More voice acting, more animation to create, blah, blah.  They could have, true, but if they didn't want to, I want to stress that, then they shouldn't be forced to and yes I'll use the term "integrity" with their own work.

I have to wonder how much money Bioware spent creating the extended cut myself.  Couldn't have been cheap

And don't forget, time, effort, work - it's like people forget that this stuff doesn't just pop in the air like space magic, regardless of the quality (slides, big deal right?)

[AresKeith]

General Slotts wrote...

Ugh spin-offs, put that on my do not want list as well. However I think the chances of that are very low.

And to be honest if they do a sequel, I would end up watching it on youtube if I wanna consider getting it

[KiwiQuiche]

spirosz wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I think the quote in my sig is also kinda relevant to ME3 original end.

To be fair, are the character still not pursuing goals after ME3?  Goals being alter depending on Shepard's choice as well.  

Jack will just forget about her kids all of the sudden?  

Jack being a teacher despite you encouraging her to kill that guy on Pragia was weird.

That and the original ME3 end made you have no idea what happened to them; it basically left a giant black hole of speculations for you.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, I noticed. I can read. My post still stands.

As does mine.  If they cared that people thought the endings were too dark, they could have provided more alternatives, rather than whitewashing the exact same endings.

Heck it probably would have been easier to manage.

Not everyone who didn't like the ending thought that it was too dark.

Bioware believed that narrative coherence was a bigger issue, so most of the (what I would imagine to be) limited resources went into trying to close up a lot of the narrative holes of the original cut. They're not obligated to give you an ending tailored to what you want. iakus, I think you need to start accepting this. I didn't get the ending I wanted either. 

To answer the OP, they added the Refusal ending because it fit with the current structure of the ending. Adding a no-consequence ending would have only worked if you retcon'd the other 3 choices.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 27 mai 2013 - 03:12 .

[spirosz]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

spirosz wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I think the quote in my sig is also kinda relevant to ME3 original end.

To be fair, are the character still not pursuing goals after ME3?  Goals being alter depending on Shepard's choiceas well.  

Jack will just forget about her kids all of the sudden?  

Jack being a teacher despite you encouraging her to kill that guy on Pragia was weird.

That and the original ME3 end made you have no idea what happened to them; it basically left a giant black hole of speculations for you.

I agree, mind you, but as it stands, it happens regardless of how I feel about it and the realism tied to it. Question still stands though. I couldn't see her just "forgetting" about her kids, regardless of whatever ending, there would be variables obviously, but the main focus would still be there.

Modifié par spirosz, 27 mai 2013 - 03:14 .

[KiwiQuiche]

spirosz wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

spirosz wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I think the quote in my sig is also kinda relevant to ME3 original end.

To be fair, are the character still not pursuing goals after ME3?  Goals being alter depending on Shepard's choiceas well.  

Jack will just forget about her kids all of the sudden?  

Jack being a teacher despite you encouraging her to kill that guy on Pragia was weird.

That and the original ME3 end made you have no idea what happened to them; it basically left a giant black hole of speculations for you.

I agree, mind you, but as it stands, it happens regardless of how I feel about it and the realism tied to it. Question still stands though. I couldn't see her just "forgetting" about her kids, regardless of whatever ending, there would be variables obviously, but the main focus would still be there.

Um, I'm kinda confused as to what you are saying. I never said she should forget her kids or whatever, I'm saying that the way Bioware did the end makes it completely irrelvant as you don't even know if they're all dead or something. You are left with pretty much the Garden of Eden than that dumb Stargazer scene.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 27 mai 2013 - 03:16 .

[spirosz]

That the characters wouldn't pursue anything or Shepard's choices didn't affect them in any way, I disagree. That's what I'm trying to say.

[spirosz]

Sure, certain choices could of been emphasized more, but games have limits, so I can't expect every detail to be shown, regardless of how important it is to me, haha.