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[KiwiQuiche]

spirosz wrote...

That the characters wouldn't pursue anything or Shepard's choices didn't affect them in any way, I disagree. That's what I'm trying to say.

But at the end it has no relevance; since you have utterly no idea if they all died, or starved to death or anything. You basically fire the Crucible, crash the Normandy for some random reason and that's it. Nothing else. That's my issue.

[spirosz]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

spirosz wrote...

That the characters wouldn't pursue anything or Shepard's choices didn't affect them in any way, I disagree. That's what I'm trying to say.

But at the end it has no relevance; since you have utterly no idea if they all died, or starved to death or anything. You basically fire the Crucible, crash the Normandy for some random reason and that's it. Nothing else. That's my issue.

The speculation is the issue?  

Thats fair, it isn't for me though.  

[MegaSovereign]

I think blowing up the base would have a greater effect on her psyche than saving or killing Aresh, IMO.

[Wolfva2]

Morocco Mole wrote...

bad_robot_1992 wrote...

i used to love our community, we were strong and supportive to both bioware and each other. now i only see people insulting the game and each other.

lolno.

Even before ME3 BSN was famous for being a toxic community. Or have we already forgotten the epic flamewars about whether or not Mass Effect 2 is a RPG

Bah, compared to the IGN forums this place is a bastion of love and good will to all <LOL>.

One thing I'll say in the BSN's favor, people are passionate about the game.  That can't be said about other forums, which often are just full of people trying to demean others for their own fun.  Here, we demean others because we feel so strongly about the game.  Even those who constantly bellyache about how bad the endings are do so because they love the game, and are upset it didn't live up to the perfect little fairy tail they wanted.  "And Shepard whipped out his massive wang and screwed the Reapers to death, to live happily ever after with his love interest The END."  Yeah, sure.  They may be idiots, but at least they're idiots who care! 

[Faust1979]

spirosz wrote...

Sure, certain choices could of been emphasized more, but games have limits, so I can't expect every detail to be shown, regardless of how important it is to me, haha.

sometimes it's better to imagine what the characters did after than be shown. When movies or books end they don't always say what happened to every character afterwards.

[MegaSovereign]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamers rarely stick to their guns. So yeah, I expect most of the people here claiming to not buy ME4 will end up getting it.

Sure. As long as ME4 resembles the other Mass Effect games.

If it ends up being a Kinect exclusive or an MMORPG I'm not getting it. You can bet on that.

[spirosz]

Faust1979 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Sure, certain choices could of been emphasized more, but games have limits, so I can't expect every detail to be shown, regardless of how important it is to me, haha.

sometimes it's better to imagine what the characters did after than be shown. When movies or books end they don't always say what happened to every character afterwards.

That is how I feel. 

[AresKeith]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamers rarely stick to their guns. So yeah, I expect most of the people here claiming to not buy ME4 will end up getting it.

If you say so

[dreamgazer]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Honestly, we all know the people that have stuck around on these forums for 1+ year to complain about the endings are going to buy the next game anyway.

Define "complain".

I've stuck around for over a year, all the while discussing and critiquing the ending (among doing other things), and I'll very easily avoid the next game if they go in any number of directions.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Not everyone who didn't like the ending thought that it was too dark.

Bioware believed that narrative coherence was a bigger issue, so most of the (what I would imagine to be) limited resources went into trying to close up a lot of the narrative holes of the original cut. They're not obligated to give you an ending tailored to what you want. iakus, I think you need to start accepting this. I didn't get the ending I wanted either. 

I'll accept it when Bioware stops claiming that those who didn't like the endings were just "confused"  about them.  Or were "unwilling to let go", and be willing to accept the endings they came up with maybe weren't all that and a bag of chips.

 When I'm confident they understand that all endings were morally repugnant to many players and flew in the face of what many Shepards were fighting for, I'll start accepting it.

WHen I'm confident that Bioware will start taking "multiple endings" seriously again, I'll start accepting it.

But for now, Bioware remains tis dismissive, "You just don't get it" self.

[MegaSovereign]

L4D2 boycott was even bigger.

Still ended up being a hit game.

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Not everyone who didn't like the ending thought that it was too dark.

Bioware believed that narrative coherence was a bigger issue, so most of the (what I would imagine to be) limited resources went into trying to close up a lot of the narrative holes of the original cut. They're not obligated to give you an ending tailored to what you want. iakus, I think you need to start accepting this. I didn't get the ending I wanted either. 

I'll accept it when Bioware stops claiming that those who didn't like the endings were just "confused"  about them.  Or were "unwilling to let go", and be willing to accept the endings they came up with maybe weren't all that and a bag of chips.

 When I'm confident they understand that all endings were morally repugnant to many players and flew in the face of what many Shepards were fighting for, I'll start accepting it.

WHen I'm confident that Bioware will start taking "multiple endings" seriously again, I'll start accepting it.

But for now, Bioware remains tis dismissive, "You just don't get it" self.

Is Bioware still claiming that?  I'm just curious.  

[AresKeith]

Morocco Mole wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

If you say so

Ok? Notice that I never said people wouldn't buy the next ME game

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

Is Bioware still claiming that?  I'm just curious.  

Fun fact: they never did.

[Iakus]

spirosz wrote...


Is Bioware still claiming that?  I'm just curious.  

Look at any interview that mentions the endings.  It's always about "ending confusion"  or how they "didn't anticipate how attatched players would get"  Nothing about hwo horrific so many players found Synthesis.  Or the concept of the genocide of all synthetic life.  .  Or even the railroaded death of Shepard.

It's like all you have to do is add a party with all the old squadmates and a slideshow about how everything's awesome after the Crucible fires and everyone will see how great it is...

Oh, wait...

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Is Bioware still claiming that?  I'm just curious.  

Fun fact: they never did.

Wasn't that an IGN article?

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Not everyone who didn't like the ending thought that it was too dark.

Bioware believed that narrative coherence was a bigger issue, so most of the (what I would imagine to be) limited resources went into trying to close up a lot of the narrative holes of the original cut. They're not obligated to give you an ending tailored to what you want. iakus, I think you need to start accepting this. I didn't get the ending I wanted either. 

I'll accept it when Bioware stops claiming that those who didn't like the endings were just "confused"  about them.  Or were "unwilling to let go", and be willing to accept the endings they came up with maybe weren't all that and a bag of chips.

 When I'm confident they understand that all endings were morally repugnant to many players and flew in the face of what many Shepards were fighting for, I'll start accepting it.

WHen I'm confident that Bioware will start taking "multiple endings" seriously again, I'll start accepting it.

But for now, Bioware remains tis dismissive, "You just don't get it" self.

Yea, um I don't think they've claimed that. They've said a repeated number of times that people who didn't like the endings wanted more closure. Even Casey's PR damage control statement centered on that. Whether the EC provided closure for every fan is a point of contention.

Specifically, they claimed that the EC was created to bring clarity and closure. And yes there was a lot of stuff in the original cut that simply did not make sense without the extra context that the EC provided.

You keep putting things in quotes that Bioware never said. I think you should stop because you aren't fooling me with that.

[Faust1979]

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...


Is Bioware still claiming that?  I'm just curious.  

Look at any interview that mentions the endings.  It's always about "ending confusion"  or how they "didn't anticipate how attatched players would get"  Nothing about hwo horrific so many players found Synthesis.  Or the concept of the genocide of all synthetic life.  .  Or even the railroaded death of Shepard.

It's like all you have to do is add a party with all the old squadmates and a slideshow about how everything's awesome after the Crucible fires and everyone will see how great it is...

Oh, wait...

Choices have consequences just face it some gamers can't handle that fact. I'm glad the endings all had morally grey area's. Haven't you paid attention to the past games? lots of sci fi stories end with something bitter sweet something bleak but with a sense of hope. I loved it sometimes that's life

[AresKeith]

Morocco Mole wrote...

You know, it's rather fitting your warden looks like he is about to burst into tears at a moments notice.

And this is the kind of comment that makes people of both sides add toxin to this place