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[FlamingBoy]

Argetfalcon wrote...

 They added a full fail ending that many people didn't really care about

but they didn't add a full win ending that many people did want

I have heard alot of things about that particular ending of op, honestly it felt like bioware was trying to send a creative message (and it is kind of creative) but the exectution was extremely flawed, it was way to short and it gave the impression of more of an insult than anything else.

[MegaSovereign]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Because defeating the machines who've been kicking the crap out of everybody, even when united on Palaven, by going into a head-on battle would've totally made sense.

Clearly you've never turned Super Saiyan.

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

spirosz wrote...


Is Bioware still claiming that?  I'm just curious.  

Look at any interview that mentions the endings.  It's always about "ending confusion"  or how they "didn't anticipate how attatched players would get"  Nothing about hwo horrific so many players found Synthesis.  Or the concept of the genocide of all synthetic life.  .  Or even the railroaded death of Shepard.

It's like all you have to do is add a party with all the old squadmates and a slideshow about how everything's awesome after the Crucible fires and everyone will see how great it is...

Oh, wait...

It's because they wrote that? They know full well the positives and negatives of the choices at the end?

It would be like if you wrote a story, and at (any stage during the story) the main character experiences (any bad thing ever) and then people who read your story expected you to, uh, explain it I guess? I'm not sure what they're asking or expecting tbh.

But anyway what would you say? Your answer would literally be "That was the way I wrote it, that was the story I wanted to tell". What more could be said than that?

[chemiclord]

dreamgazer wrote...

Fun fact: they never did.

There's a TON of things Bioware never said that were either taken out of context, meanings twisted, outright fabricated, or any combination of the three.  Fans decided, "This is what I WANT Bioware to have said so I can justify my rage" and went out of their way to do so.

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

But anyway what would you say? Your answer would literally be "That was the way I wrote it, that was the story I wanted to tell". What more could be said than that?

When you're charged with things like "war crimes", "genocide", "eugenics", and "decisions didn't matter", some dialogue with your audience might not be a bad idea---even if you're restating the obvious.

[FlamingBoy]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Because defeating the machines who've been kicking the crap out of everybody, even when united on Palaven, by going into a head-on battle would've totally made sense.

People said that they would want an ending like Refuse if it meant that they didn't have to go with the Catalyst's options. Bioware decided to listen to them, but apparently listening to direct, repeated fan feedback is an insult in people's worlds.

Well yeah it does come off as an insult regardless of intentions. It is a matter of perception and what was recieved in that ending was a dodgy bit of work. Yes people asked for an ending which refused the option of the catalyst but obviously with an conclusion depending on your war assets as defined by how many you actually recieved. Hence a victory and loss depending on the choices you made throughout the past 3 games.

While I understand the reservations regarding a "conventional victory" against the reapers and the narrative "sense" problems it represents. Its honestly not that much far-fetch than the whole crucible concept and all the narrtive implications that come with it.

[MegaSovereign]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Because defeating the machines who've been kicking the crap out of everybody, even when united on Palaven, by going into a head-on battle would've totally made sense.

Clearly you've never turned Super Saiyan.

Irrelevant. Vegeta can turn super saiyan and he still gets the crap kicked out of him by everyone he fights. 

All I'm saying is that the Spirit Bomb would have been a viable conventional victory scenario.

[FlamingBoy]

Morocco Mole wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
There's a TON of things Bioware never said that were either taken out of context, meanings twisted, outright fabricated, or any combination of the three.  Fans decided, "This is what I WANT Bioware to have said so I can justify my rage" and went out of their way to do so.

Yeah.

I won't deny that they handled some things poorly. But the fans have tried their hardest to demonize Bioware over the endings.

I think their was demonization going all around the board on this one. The whole thing was a PR disaster.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 27 mai 2013 - 04:01 .

[Clayless]

dreamgazer wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

But anyway what would you say? Your answer would literally be "That was the way I wrote it, that was the story I wanted to tell". What more could be said than that?

When you're charged with things like "war crimes", "genocide", "eugenics", and "decisions didn't matter", some dialogue with your audience might not be a bad idea---even if you're restating the obvious.

Like what? What could Bioware say that wont instantly be taken out of context or twisted? What could Bioware talk about that wouldn't cause hostility from people who have already made up their minds?

[chemiclord]

dreamgazer wrote...

When you're charged with things like "war crimes", "genocide", "eugenics", and "decisions didn't matter", some dialogue with your audience might not be a bad idea---even if you're restating the obvious.

When you have fans that are enraged to the point that they are leveling those sort of words... I suspect they are beyond any rational discussion of the matter, and nothing you say is going to placate them.

[bad_robot_1992]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

bad_robot_1992 wrote...

i used to love our community, we were strong and supportive to both bioware and each other. now i only see people insulting the game and each other.

lolno.

Even before ME3 BSN was famous for being a toxic community. Or have we already forgotten the epic flamewars about whether or not Mass Effect 2 is a RPG

Bah, compared to the IGN forums this place is a bastion of love and good will to all <LOL>.

One thing I'll say in the BSN's favor, people are passionate about the game.  That can't be said about other forums, which often are just full of people trying to demean others for their own fun.  Here, we demean others because we feel so strongly about the game.  Even those who constantly bellyache about how bad the endings are do so because they love the game, and are upset it didn't live up to the perfect little fairy tail they wanted.  "And Shepard whipped out his massive wang and screwed the Reapers to death, to live happily ever after with his love interest The END."  Yeah, sure.  They may be idiots, but at least they're idiots who care! 

you make a good point, some did want a happy ending. but i for one was dissipointed how 90% of the endings were the same video and pictures. i knew **** was going to go down and it was probably shepards last game but i digress. and i guess you make a good point, we are all arguing and insulting one another beacuse we are so emotionaly invested in this game 

[AresKeith]

@Robosexual & chemiclord yes people were enraged to the point where talking won't help when the ending first happened, but not trying to talk to them and try to clear things up later is just as bad

I agree with dreamgazer, some dialogue with your audience might not be a bad idea

[chemiclord]

FlamingBoy wrote...

I think their was demonization going all around the board on this one. The whole thing was a PR disaster.

Kinda yes, kinda no.

I mean, Bioware's PR department handled it absolutely poorly, and the few attempts that Bioware developers DID try was REALLY half-hearted (Gamble running away crying because of two meaningless trolls stand as an example).  It was clear he didn't want to be here, and took the first excuse he could find to GTFO.

That said, he didn't want to be here because he knew there wasn't any discussion that would be had.  There was (and probably is still) far too much raw emotion being thrown about for any good to come of it.  It's just something that too many people simply can't approach without it ripping open those wounds and causing hurt all over again.

[David7204]

Total defeat, no. But could the Reapers suffer an overwhelming loss, making their fate clear? I think so.

This would doubtless be a very difficult challenge to overcome for a conventional victory.

Modifié par David7204, 27 mai 2013 - 04:10 .

[David7204]

It doesn't say.

[FlamingBoy]

chemiclord wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

I think their was demonization going all around the board on this one. The whole thing was a PR disaster.

Kinda yes, kinda no.

I mean, Bioware's PR department handled it absolutely poorly, and the few attempts that Bioware developers DID try was REALLY half-hearted (Gamble running away crying because of two meaningless trolls stand as an example).  It was clear he didn't want to be here, and took the first excuse he could find to GTFO.

That said, he didn't want to be here because he knew there wasn't any discussion that would be had.  There was (and probably is still) far too much raw emotion being thrown about for any good to come of it.  It's just something that too many people simply can't approach without it ripping open those wounds and causing hurt all over again.

Perhaps he left because he knew he stuffed up? Its pretty rare to take the moral highground when there is a large amount of customers wholly disatisfied with the product, essentially they felt lied to, the fact if it is or is not true is irrelevant, the point is that they felt this was the case. Hence the corporation mishandled the hype..

Well we are fans, raw emotion is expected. We are not a corporation where we run accountable to the finely tuned machine.
We are literally thousands (millions) of individuals who work independently from each other with a two things incommon, we love mass effect, and we are human. Hence the expectation of what we do is considerably smaller. That said the fans did some impressive PR stunts (when compared to bioware its ludicrious how bad they were) such as the cupcakes and the childsplay charity.

[AresKeith]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I honestly don't remember, were the Reapers in full force during the events of Priority: Earth? Were they all there?

Not all of them were there, they pretty much stretched their forces out since they didn't shut off the Relay network 

[David7204]

A satisfying conventional victory would require Reapers being killed throughout ME 3, not just at the end.

[Clayless]

AresKeith wrote...

@Robosexual & chemiclord yes people were enraged to the point where talking won't help when the ending first happened, but not trying to talk to them and try to clear things up later is just as bad

I agree with dreamgazer, some dialogue with your audience might not be a bad idea

I would love to talk about so many things with Bioware. Ask them questions on many different things, questions about the art, the backgrounds, the music, the characters, the arcs, the story, the list is endless. I'm genuinely interested to hear the behind the scenes workings of the games.

But if they did try talking to us it would be pointless. Someone would ask a question they've already made their mind up on ("Why is the ending galactic rape lolz") and it wouldn't matter how Bioware replies, it would be twisted and used to warp them into big bads that only want to "insult" their fans, give them a "big middle finger", etc.

I want to talk to Bioware. But if I were Bioware, I wouldn't talk to us.