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[Bizinha]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

Because they don't care what their fans want, hence why that full fail ending was quite literally a middle finger to any who disliked their endings enough to want a fourth option.

this.

I also ask myself that, OP.

If there was a final 'happy', surely everyone would be happy.Who wanted to kill Shepard could kill him. Who wanted to have a happy ending with your LI, would have it.

The next ME have a reception, much larger also.

[crimzontearz]

Bioware has become to the game developing business equivalent of MS in hardware manufacturing

"we do not care what people want? We TELL them what they SHOULD want and demean them if they do not agree"

[GimmeDaGun]

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

[Ridwan]

What stage is the forum in now? The apologising for giving Bioware money stage?

[crimzontearz]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

and as I told you before both project lead and lead designer wanted a non sacrifical happy ending, Mac did not...so who wanted to tell what story?

Furthermore, there is no reason to be angry, when someone does something stupid I juat stop giving them my money, MS is an inch from pushing me into Sony's arms right now and BW already pretty much pushed me into CDPR's open arms...all I know is that if they keep pushing out products I find unpalatable (and I will know that before buying them from now on, no more finalizing a purchase without full and detailed spoilers) I will juat stop being a customer altogether, simple as that. Of course until then I will keep voicing my discontent because I still care

[Nerevar-as]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

So does Michael Bay. I don´t think anyone with any taste ever accused him of caring about the writing. That´s the path BW has taken for the last 2 games I´ve played. Of course, if you are defending their right to write ****, that´s up to you. Just don´t expect the rest of gamers to agree.

[dreamgazer]

M25105 wrote...

What stage is the forum in now? The apologising for giving Bioware money stage?

Who knows. I played the game, made my decisions in the frustrating ending, enjoyed the experience well enough, kept my soul (gasp!), and may or may not play the next Mass Effect game depending on where BioWare goes with it. That's the way fiction works; the rest really is, and will remain, nothing more than drama.

Everyone's hitting brick walls now, that's for sure. The melancholy remain melancholy, the apologists are apologizing, the exaggerators are exaggerating ... and other players are moving on with discussion about what they'd like or not like to see in the next game. The world continues to turn, whether people actually think it's ended or not.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

and as I told you before both project lead and lead designer wanted a non sacrifical happy ending, Mac did not...so who wanted to tell what story?

I've seen you say this before. Shouldn't you back that up with a credible, on-record source when you're stating things like that? Do you have anything else besides loose text from a private message? 

[Ridwan]

Look it all boils down to this, to those that defend the crappy ending. When you got a story running over five years in a game that you've replayed over and over again, you want the ending to make you feel like you achieved something. Something that makes you go "That **** was awesome, I can't wait to play it again, this time as a renegade/paragon/paragade/renegon or engineer/soldier" and so on and on. Instead we got a pseudo intellectual piece of crap kicking us in the balls right at the final minutes when Casper the ghost space emperor supreme of being dumb, shows up.

Bioware could've used the assets we gathered in the end and give us a sense of accomplishment that all the stuff we did mattered, instead we got pick your own colour. If you don't see anything wrong with that, then congratulations, you're the kind of drone any company loves. Ask no questions, care only about romance (cause the gameplay don't matter, right?) and accept any crappy story, cause the writers can do no wrong, can they?

It's just lol. And I'm damn sure, Bioware has lost its untouchable status from this, DA2 and SWTOR. It's sad, cause I've played the crap out of DA:O and ME 2, but if someone you love/like does ****, you can either stand aside and hope they'll come to their senses, or you call them out on their crap. Not pre-ordering is a good step in showing that we're not mindless drones who only care about voice actors, but consumers that expect quality games.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

and as I told you before both project lead and lead designer wanted a non sacrifical happy ending, Mac did not...so who wanted to tell what story?

I've seen you say this before. Shouldn't you back that up with a credible, on-record source when you're stating things like that? Do you have anything else besides loose text from a private message? 

if I did I would post it, but I trust been on, he was upfront about it all starting with the EMS faux pas. Or are you doubting that he actually said that to me?

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

and as I told you before both project lead and lead designer wanted a non sacrifical happy ending, Mac did not...so who wanted to tell what story?

I've seen you say this before. Shouldn't you back that up with a credible, on-record source when you're stating things like that? Do you have anything else besides loose text from a private message? 

if I did I would post it, but I trust been on, he was upfront about it all starting with the EMS faux pas. Or are you doubting that he actually said that to me?

Around here, I honestly don't know what's to be trusted. People fabricate things left and right to their advantage.

You? Likely not, but I'd have another hand of cards to show if you're making those claims. 

[crimzontearz]

Well Gazer, I HAVE posted screenshots taken with an external camera (to prevent easy fabrication) of my screen with the conversation on it from my PM box...I mean I REALLY don't know what else to do short of giving you my password so you can log in my account which, forgive me, I am SO not doing

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Well Gazer, I HAVE posted screenshots taken with an external camera (to prevent easy fabrication) of my screen with the conversation on it from my PM box...I mean I REALLY don't know what else to do short of giving you my password so you can log in my account which, forgive me, I am SO not doing

You're missing the point, man, but it's alright. 

The citation you're referencing should probably have a wider viewership than, well, one person. 

[dublin omega 223]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

Because they don't care what their fans want, hence why that full fail ending was quite literally a middle finger to any who disliked their endings enough to want a fourth option.

My sentiments exactly.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Well Gazer, I HAVE posted screenshots taken with an external camera (to prevent easy fabrication) of my screen with the conversation on it from my PM box...I mean I REALLY don't know what else to do short of giving you my password so you can log in my account which, forgive me, I am SO not doing

You're missing the point, man, but it's alright. 

The citation you're referencing should probably have a wider viewership than, well, one person. 

you must understand, Gazer, he said that to my literally a day before all hell broke loose, before BW realized how deep in the **** they were, he himself did not know the range of endings because he was convinced that NG+in the game or an awesome import would lead to the happier ending that had been discussed. You cannot expect BW to allow him to repeat this to the masses AFTER the ****storm that happened, after all the unified front façade.

[Reorte]

Nerevar-as wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh my, Bioware dared to publish the game with the story they wanted to tell, as they wanted to tell. Blasphemy! I always told you. Bioware is evil, it is the antichrist. They are evil and they want you to suffer... hhahahaa... they are duh EAVIL!

So does Michael Bay. I don´t think anyone with any taste ever accused him of caring about the writing. That´s the path BW has taken for the last 2 games I´ve played. Of course, if you are defending their right to write ****, that´s up to you. Just don´t expect the rest of gamers to agree.

Indeed, they've the right to write whatever they like and we have the right to say what we think of it, and to take our money elsewhere when they either unable or unwilling to create anything decent. No-one has a right to not expect criticism.

[S.A.K]

Well we got a 99% win ending. It's called Destroy. The other 1% being EDIs death.

[chemiclord]

M25105 wrote...

What stage is the forum in now? The apologising for giving Bioware money stage?

The Stages of BSN grief:

1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Anger
4) Anger
5) Anger
6) Anger
7) Anger
8) Anger
9) Anger
...
...
ad infinitum.

[Iakus]

S.A.K wrote...

Well we got a 99% win ending. It's called Destroy. The other 1% being EDIs death.

And the geth
And every synthetic life form inthe galaxy, whether or not they've done anything to deserve such a fate or are even aware fo what's happening.

But hey, omlets and eggs, right?  /sarcasm

[chemiclord]

Nerevar-as wrote...

So does Michael Bay. I don´t think anyone with any taste ever accused him of caring about the writing. That´s the path BW has taken for the last 2 games I´ve played. Of course, if you are defending their right to write ****, that´s up to you. Just don´t expect the rest of gamers to agree.

I mean, that's really what it boils down to.

They have a right to tell whatever story they want.  You have the right to not support companies that don't tell stories you like.

It just really gets my dander up when fans say, "I deserve [x]!" and rage endlessly about how they didn't get it.  You don't deserve anything but what you put down money for.  It's perfectly fine to not like it.  But after a year, and you're still complaining bitterly long after the creator has drawn the line?  I'm sorry, at that point it becomes YOUR problem, not THEIRS.

At that point, it's time for you to walk away.  No amount of screaming at that wall is going to make it move. 

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Well we got a 99% win ending. It's called Destroy. The other 1% being EDIs death.

And the geth
And every synthetic life form inthe galaxy, whether or not they've done anything to deserve such a fate or are even aware fo what's happening.

But hey, omlets and eggs, right?  /sarcasm

Well, it's a war... so, yeah, omlets and eggs unfortunately... 

This is why I prefer the much more refined and life-like moralitly system of The Witcher 2. Every decision has good and bad consequences. It depends how you look at things. While in ME you can play an all paragon Shep (yuch) who does no wrong, whose deeds have no real downside to them. To full paragon players the ending must be a true shock... but the full paragon path being so perfect was a mistake in the first place. They should have made it morally ambiguous too and not a total space-saint play-mode. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 27 mai 2013 - 04:19 .

[crimzontearz]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

iakus wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Well we got a 99% win ending. It's called Destroy. The other 1% being EDIs death.

And the geth
And every synthetic life form inthe galaxy, whether or not they've done anything to deserve such a fate or are even aware fo what's happening.

But hey, omlets and eggs, right?  /sarcasm

Well, it's a war... so, yeah, omlets and eggs unfortunately... 

This is why I prefer the much more refined and life-like moralitly system of The Witcher 2. Every decision has good and bad consequences. It depends how you look at things. While in ME you can play an all paragon Shep (yuch) who does no wrong, whose deeds have no real downside to them. To full paragon players the ending must be a true shock... but the full paragon path being so perfect was a mistake in the first place. They should have made it morally ambiguous too and not a total space-saint play-mode. 

In the Witcher 2 my Geralt gets to ride off in the sunset with Triss after killing/sparing Letho

CDPR already hinted that that might be a possible outcome for TW3. That is really all I asked for (and maybe Ves on the sidelines too, you know, for the funtime)

[Draguno]

S.A.K wrote...

Well we got a 99% win ending. It's called Destroy. The other 1% being EDIs death.

This.

[GimmeDaGun]

[quote]crimzontearz wrote...

[quote]GimmeDaGun wrote...

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]S.A.K wrote...

Well we got a 99% win ending. It's called Destroy. The other 1% being EDIs death.[/quote]

And the geth
And every synthetic life form inthe galaxy, whether or not they've done anything to deserve such a fate or are even aware fo what's happening.

But hey, omlets and eggs, right?  /sarcasm

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Well, it's a war... so, yeah, omlets and eggs unfortunately... 

This is why I prefer the much more refined and life-like moralitly system of The Witcher 2. Every decision has good and bad consequences. It depends how you look at things. While in ME you can play an all paragon Shep (yuch) who does no wrong, whose deeds have no real downside to them. To full paragon players the ending must be a true shock... but the full paragon path being so perfect was a mistake in the first place. They should have made it morally ambiguous too and not a total space-saint play-mode. 



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In the Witcher 2 my Geralt gets to ride off in the sunset with Triss after killing/sparing Letho

CDPR already hinted that that might be a possible outcome for TW3. That is really all I asked for (and maybe Ves on the sidelines too, you know, for the funtime)[/quote]


Oh, my... LI-lovers... 

You missed the whole point of my post. Yeah, you can keep your beloved in the end of TW2 (you can do the same in ME2), but you don't get out of the situation with clean hands. People die and suffer because of you, no matter what. You are not the big bad ass hero man, but a mortal, fallible being who tend to cause more harm when tries to do some good. It's not the case in ME. Also in the end of TW2 it is quite clear that Geralt is regaining his memory... and it gets in the way of the romance with Triss. It's not a happy reunion, but a quite moody one.

But again... I can't comment on your constant desire for a hollywood style ending. I'm kind of bored to death by them (old school happy endings), and I also find the ending of ME quite fitting. And I care not for LIs in games.