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[Deerber]

Lol. It just means people play Collectors less, AQ. I'm sure you know about statistics...

[Creator Limbs]

Not to mention the people on PS3 who insist that "collectors won't freeze our systems!" while collectors freeze their systems.

[Kalas747]

Air Quotes wrote...

Completion Rate Per Faction & Difficulty

Out of all successful extractions against a given faction, the % of matches per difficulty.

- Cerberus: Bronze (47.0%), Silver (36.3%), Gold (13.3%), Platinum (3.2%)
- Geth: Bronze (37.4%), Silver (38.0%), Gold (22.2%), Platinum (2.4%)
- Reapers: Bronze (38.3%), Silver (35.7%), Gold (17.6%), Platinum (8.4%)
- Collectors: Bronze (43.9%), Silver (44.8%), Gold (8.7%), Platinum (2.6%) 

2-3x less success rate on highter difficulties on average

That is an interesting stat.  But don't PS3 players avoid collectors all together?  I find cerberus to be the most annoying/difficult faction on gold and geth are the most annoying/difficult on platinum.  And if you remove collectors from the equation, cerberus becomes the most avoided/failed on gold and geth on platinum(with or without collectors.)

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Modifié par Kalas747, 27 mai 2013 - 07:44 .

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Lol. It just means people play Collectors less, AQ. I'm sure you know about statistics...

 

And why do you think they play Collectors less? Because of lower success rate. 

That's one of the possible reasons. You should rename the thread to "In my opinion people don't like playing Collectors because they're OP".

[Shadow of Terror]

It's not less success rate than the other factions, it's that Of extractions against collectors, 44.8% are done on silver, 8.7% are done on gold.

It doesn't mean people fail against them more (although they probably do), these stats don't apply for that.

[Deathsaurer]

Geth have a lower completion rate on Platinum. On Gold alot of PUGs just can't cope with the objective waves. Shocker.

[Beerfish]

I don't need stats to tell me Collectors are over powered. I still can't believe anyone would say other wise. When you look at them top to bottom they are far tougher on several levels than other opponents. Sure, like any enemy if the team is really good and well equipped they can be handled but they are on the whole the toughest by a lot in my mind.

[Cyonan]

"2-3x less success rate on highter difficulties on average" yet has a 0.2% better success rate on Platinum than the Geth do.

Seems legit.

[GiroX-]

You have to realize those percentages are so vague they're almost useless.There's really no way to draw any conclusions from those numbers, just take them at face value.

[Beerfish]

Cyonan: Is there any kind of stats on hit box sizes, speed and movement patterns of opponents?

The reason I ask is that we get caught up a lot on dps and health and shields and such but these other issues have a huge bearing on kill success.

For example, on the weekend I was playing the same Turian solider/Hurricane build against Cerberus and then against the Collectors. Liteally it took longer for me to kill a possessed seeker swarm than it did to kill an Atlas.

[Cyonan]

Air Quotes wrote...

LOL. Geth. Do not compare it to the Geth. Geth on Platinum is the same as Collectors. 

"2-3x less success rate on highter difficulties on average" yet has only a 0.6% lower success rate on Platinum than Cerberus does.

Seems legit.

[Deerber]

Air Quotes wrote...

GiroX- wrote...

You have to realize those percentages are so vague they're almost useless.There's really no way to draw any conclusions from those numbers, just take them at face value.

 


Enemy Popularity (All Difficulties)

1. Cerberus (40.0%)
2. Reapers (28.0%)
3. Geth (27.0%)
4. Collectors (5.0%)

Enemy Popularity (Gold & Platinum)

1. Reapers (38.0%)
2. Geth (29.0%)
3. Cerberus (28.0%)
4. Collectors (5.0%)

Enemy Popularity (Platinum Only)

1. Reapers (52.0%)
2. Cerberus (21.0%)
3. Geth (15.0%)
4. Collectors (12.0%) 

People do not like them

Yeah, that's the only "clear" thing.

[RedJohn]

I liked more your last avatar.

[Cyonan]

Beerfish wrote...

Cyonan: Is there any kind of stats on hit box sizes, speed and movement patterns of opponents?

The reason I ask is that we get caught up a lot on dps and health and shields and such but these other issues have a huge bearing on kill success.

For example, on the weekend I was playing the same Turian solider/Hurricane build against Cerberus and then against the Collectors. Liteally it took longer for me to kill a possessed seeker swarm than it did to kill an Atlas.

Not in the Coalesced files or anything.

Though the Seeker Swarm hit box is smaller than the unit's graphic. I know that from just shooting at the damn thing and not hitting it.

[JediHarbinger]

They are the most challenging faction, doesn't mean I don't like them.. In fact I love playing them and I wish I would get them more when I U/U... They are also the most satisfying to kill due to their over all balance and strength that they have over all the other factions...


I would take collectors over geth and Cerberus all day all week and twice on Fridays during happy hour... I also tend to think the that those seeker swarm and plagues must be rubbing people the wrong way therefore they ignore them completely which is sad, cuz the collectors make glorious kills with my hammer! But those swarms do get kinda outta hand sometimes,

Modifié par JediHarbinger, 27 mai 2013 - 08:01 .

[megabeast37215]

RedJohn wrote...

I liked more your last avatar.

QFT

At this point... I know them so well as a faction I don't find them OP at all. I think their super large heads are such a major disadvantage for them that killing them is a cake walk. Having a proper stagger tool is all you need to trivialize their infantry... or something that headshots well (Shotguns/Assault Rifles).

Now I admit that when their infantry charges you... it can be problematic because of their over the top aggression. This is why I prioritize them instead of the Scions/Crabs.

I'd rather fight Collectors than Geth anyday.

[GiroX-]

Air Quotes wrote...

GiroX- wrote...

You have to realize those percentages are so vague they're almost useless.There's really no way to draw any conclusions from those numbers, just take them at face value.

 


Enemy Popularity (All Difficulties)

1. Cerberus (40.0%)
2. Reapers (28.0%)
3. Geth (27.0%)
4. Collectors (5.0%)

Enemy Popularity (Gold & Platinum)

1. Reapers (38.0%)
2. Geth (29.0%)
3. Cerberus (28.0%)
4. Collectors (5.0%)

Enemy Popularity (Platinum Only)

1. Reapers (52.0%)
2. Cerberus (21.0%)
3. Geth (15.0%)
4. Collectors (12.0%) 

People do not like them

Yeah but the OP is about the Collectors being overpowered, not if people liked playing against them. I see why most people would hate Collectors (with Seeker Swarms, Abominations and fast Praetorian) but thats just because you cant approach them the same way as the other factions.

I personally like Collectors because the deadliest unit they have are the Troopers and Captains. You can literally run around everything else and clean up all of the Captains, Abominations etc.

Modifié par GiroX-, 27 mai 2013 - 08:06 .