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So Collectors are clearly OP

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#51
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:25

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LegionofRannoch wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

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stysiaq wrote...

This avatar is worse than the previous one.

And I blame Seeker Swarms and wave 8 for relatively low Gold extraction rate.

No other faction blocks powers or reduces gun accuracy, and wave 8 is stupid.

 

3 people already said that. Okay, imma keep it for way longer to annoy you. 


I don't like your new avy either.


She looks like somebody's mom going to church... totally plain jane and unspectacular... where the other pics were quite sexy/sultry/gorgeous.

Air Quotes pls... I promise I won't be mean to you in your "I wanna hax" threads.... pinky promise. Image IPB

but you have sexy standards.. you like sasha grey and a few others I cant remember the name of.

 

No I don't. Mega does.  

I don't like anything. (no wait, I like to whine and hack) 

#52
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:25

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LegionofRannoch wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The stats are bad at trying to make an argument about something being overpowered and should feel bad.

Though the Scions aren't really that tough to kill. Once you break the sac they have as much health as a Brute does but they're a lot easier to headshot.

I wouldn't really call Collectors overpowered, but they're certainly tough and very good at area denial.

The design of possessed Scions does confuse me though.

where do they get those lolololololgrinades?


The possession mechanic actually stuffs a Drell Adept into the arm cannon.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:26

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Air Quotes wrote...

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Lol. It just means people play Collectors less, AQ. I'm sure you know about statistics...

 

And why do you think they play Collectors less? Because of lower success rate. 


The % is not the success rate out of 100% of matches on that difficulty; it is the success rate out of all other difficulties. Add Bronze, Silver, Gold, & Plat and you get 100% of all the matches successful from that faction.

44.8% of ALL COLLECTORS games, that are successful, happen to be silver matches.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:26

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Cyonan wrote...

The stats are bad at trying to make an argument about something being overpowered and should feel bad.

Though the Scions aren't really that tough to kill. Once you break the sac they have as much health as a Brute does but they're a lot easier to headshot.

I wouldn't really call Collectors overpowered, but they're certainly tough and very good at area denial.

The design of possessed Scions does confuse me though.

 

A brute doesn't shoot back with multi-nades and missiles AT THE SAME TIME. 

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:27

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Cyonan wrote...

The stats are bad at trying to make an argument about something being overpowered and should feel bad.

Though the Scions aren't really that tough to kill. Once you break the sac they have as much health as a Brute does but they're a lot easier to headshot.

I wouldn't really call Collectors overpowered, but they're certainly tough and very good at area denial.

The design of possessed Scions does confuse me though.


How much damage can a brute cause outside the melee range?
They might have roughly the same XP, but brutes are even less threatening than marauders, imho.
A scion can completely devastate a team of players from 40m distance, through a 40x40cm window.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:27

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Cyonan wrote...

The stats are bad at trying to make an argument about something being overpowered and should feel bad.

Though the Scions aren't really that tough to kill. Once you break the sac they have as much health as a Brute does but they're a lot easier to headshot.

I wouldn't really call Collectors overpowered, but they're certainly tough and very good at area denial.

The design of possessed Scions does confuse me though.


That's right.

I get it that Harbinger possessing Troopers and Captains grants them powers of creating better swarms or these webs. Or filling the Abominations with extreme energy.

But providing them with equipment? That's confusing.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:27

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LegionofRannoch wrote...

but you have sexy standards.. you like sasha grey and a few others I cant remember the name of.


I like all kinds of ladies... I'm actually not that choosey on looks and much more choosey on personality. Hot chicks that are annoying are not my thing (arm trophies)... I'd rather be with a frumpy nerd who is cool that I like to be around (compatablity > a hot body).

But for porn... I'll always go with a shapely ass/thighs first... I'm a butt man. Image IPB

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:29

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Beerfish wrote...

I don't need stats to tell me Collectors are over powered. I still can't believe anyone would say other wise. When you look at them top to bottom they are far tougher on several levels than other opponents. Sure, like any enemy if the team is really good and well equipped they can be handled but they are on the whole the toughest by a lot in my mind.

Someone has made a spreadsheet, but I forget who. All I recall is that the Possessed Pratorean is the hardesting thing to kill, taking 12 shots from a Javelin X GI, maxed for damage.

Collectors are no fun on PS3 because of the freezing more than anything. Gold takes the right kit for me, and well Platinum was a fail. Geth I don't mind.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:30

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We have a botox lover over here!  

:mellow: hey look I'm happy 
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Actually no.
I'd rather not have anyone put rat poison in themselves.

But even if Botox is more widely known in cosmetics it can also be used  for treating migraines and with muscle spasms if I remember correctly and if wikipedia is not entirely lying. :D

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:31

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megabeast37215 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

but you have sexy standards.. you like sasha grey and a few others I cant remember the name of.


I like all kinds of ladies... I'm actually not that choosey on looks and much more choosey on personality. Hot chicks that are annoying are not my thing (arm trophies)... I'd rather be with a frumpy nerd who is cool that I like to be around (compatablity > a hot body).

But for porn... I'll always go with a shapely ass/thighs first... I'm a butt man. Image IPB


sex is overrated.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:32

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Air Quotes wrote...

A brute doesn't shoot back with multi-nades and missiles AT THE SAME TIME.


The brute is also underpowered, but that's not the point. The point was that Scions do not take forever to kill.

and I already said that the whole thing about them having cluster grenades is confusing, even though not every Scion will have it at once.

BlastoTheEnkindled wrote...

How much damage can a brute cause outside the melee range?
They might have roughly the same XP, but brutes are even less threatening than marauders, imho.
A scion can completely devastate a team of players from 40m distance, through a 40x40cm window.


How much damage does a Scion cause while dancing in and out of melee range?

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:32

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They would be much more fair if as in the sp game that they could only possess one creature at a time.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:33

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Cyonan wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

The stats are bad at trying to make an argument about something being overpowered and should feel bad.

Though the Scions aren't really that tough to kill. Once you break the sac they have as much health as a Brute does but they're a lot easier to headshot.

I wouldn't really call Collectors overpowered, but they're certainly tough and very good at area denial.

The design of possessed Scions does confuse me though.

where do they get those lolololololgrinades?


The possession mechanic actually stuffs a Drell Adept into the arm cannon.


next thing your going to tell is that the possessed praetorian ate a Turian Saboteur. (you cant sabotage praetorians silly Saboteur)

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:33

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Air Quotes wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

I liked more your last avatar.


QFT

At this point... I know them so well as a faction I don't find them OP at all. I think their super large heads are such a major disadvantage for them that killing them is a cake walk. Having a proper stagger tool is all you need to trivialize their infantry... or something that headshots well (Shotguns/Assault Rifles).

Now I admit that when their infantry charges you... it can be problematic because of their over the top aggression. This is why I prioritize them instead of the Scions/Crabs.

I'd rather fight Collectors than Geth anyday.

 

Well I don't think most people find Troopers or Captains OP (although Captains can be super annoying). It's more Scions and Praetorians that take ages to kill + seeker swarms everywhere and possed abominations taking out entire teams for revive chains that turn into more revive chains when all Collectors zero in with lazors and multi-nades

Scions and praetorians don't take forever to kill, just slightly longer than other units.
Scions get owned from popping their zit and exposed head.
You can get triple headshots on crabs so yeah, no.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:35

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LegionofRannoch wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

but you have sexy standards.. you like sasha grey and a few others I cant remember the name of.


I like all kinds of ladies... I'm actually not that choosey on looks and much more choosey on personality. Hot chicks that are annoying are not my thing (arm trophies)... I'd rather be with a frumpy nerd who is cool that I like to be around (compatablity > a hot body).

But for porn... I'll always go with a shapely ass/thighs first... I'm a butt man. Image IPB


sex is overrated.


I highly disagree.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:36

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Clear it is all factions that are op, not just collectors. You should mod it so all the enemies shoot butterflies and cast friendship.

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Cyonan wrote...

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A brute doesn't shoot back with multi-nades and missiles AT THE SAME TIME.


The brute is also underpowered, but that's not the point. The point was that Scions do not take forever to kill.

and I already said that the whole thing about them having cluster grenades is confusing, even though not every Scion will have it at once.

BlastoTheEnkindled wrote...

How much damage can a brute cause outside the melee range?
They might have roughly the same XP, but brutes are even less threatening than marauders, imho.
A scion can completely devastate a team of players from 40m distance, through a 40x40cm window.


How much damage does a Scion cause while dancing in and out of melee range?

 

A Brute is quite balanced. a couple of thousand more armor may help, but that would annoy melee characters and and do nothing for shotguns and snipers. While a Scion is a combination of a Brute and a Ravager in 1. With much more health and multi-nades and shield recharge denial. 

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:37

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Tokenusername wrote...

Clear it is all factions that are op, not just collectors. You should mod it so all the enemies shoot butterflies and cast friendship.

 

Yeah. Lets make this a thread about me and ignore the stats. I made them up. 

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:39

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Air Quotes wrote...

Yeah. Lets make this a thread about me and ignore the stats. I made them up. 


So when are you going to change your avy?

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:41

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Its good to have 1 dominant faction, it would be boring if they were all equal in difficulty...

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:41

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Air Quotes wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Clear it is all factions that are op, not just collectors. You should mod it so all the enemies shoot butterflies and cast friendship.

 

Yeah. Lets make this a thread about me and ignore the stats. I made them up. 



I concur. Let's make this thread about ME.

Should I change my avatar to my favorite porn actress? Would it count as pornomancing if it's only her face?
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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:41

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Di-Datau wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Yeah. Lets make this a thread about me and ignore the stats. I made them up. 


So when are you going to change your avy?

 

It's gonna stay now. Till you all come out with pitchforks and tar and feathers. 

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:41

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stysiaq wrote...

That's right.

I get it that Harbinger possessing Troopers and Captains grants them powers of creating better swarms or these webs. Or filling the Abominations with extreme energy.

But providing them with equipment? That's confusing.


He's providing them with space magic.

They're giving AQ high blood pressure, but AQ likes complaining.

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Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 27 mai 2013 - 08:49 .

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:41

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Di-Datau wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Yeah. Lets make this a thread about me and ignore the stats. I made them up. 


So when are you going to change your avy?


Truly.
This information is absolutely essential to BSN.

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Posté 27 mai 2013 - 08:42

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Boog_89 wrote...

Its good to have 1 dominant faction, it would be boring if they were all equal in difficulty...

 

No it's not when the faction pays the same. If the Collectors payed twice the ammount I would be fine with that. 
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