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[Saints]

Sorry, all my life I've been searching for that special 20$. I'm still looking.
It also all makes sense on why you mercilessly shot that incinerate at me.

[CrimsonN7]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

There is a very easy explanation for why Collectors have the highest extraction rates on Bronze/Silver.

Many players who usually play Gold would go to Bronze/Silver for Collector Challenge points.

That's what I did to unlock Collector Mastery, they are unplayable on Gold for us!<_<

[LegionofRannoch]

Saints944 wrote...

Sorry, all my life I've been searching for that special 20$. I'm still looking.
It also all makes sense on why you mercilessly shot that incinerate at me.

I didn't think you would..see.. me do it..

[Sinapus]

IIRC, the kits that can deal with an abomination via heavy melee are:
Batarian (falcon punch explodes their heads and they don't explode)
Shadow (decapitates)
Krogan (sends them flying away, just make sure an ally isn't in your path unless you're in a trolling moood)
AIU (I think it'll send them flying away as well, so again be careful of your backstop)

Others should shoot them, preferably headshots.

[Lyrandori]

I don't "like" Collectors but I don't find them "OP", they can be challenging but I also have my share of challenges against all factions. I just find that the Collector Trooper's firing rate is perhaps too high (or it seems to be, I don't know if it actually is on paper). I can say however that for me the most difficult faction is the Geth due to stun-locking, so I try to avoid fighting them whenever I can unless I'm playing Infiltrator or I go melee build on a Soldier, and playing against them as an Adept is a real pain (in my opinion).

[LegionofRannoch]

Sinapus wrote...

IIRC, the kits that can deal with an abomination via heavy melee are:
Batarian (falcon punch explodes their heads and they don't explode)
Shadow (decapitates)
Krogan (sends them flying away, just make sure an ally isn't in your path unless you're in a trolling moood)
AIU (I think it'll send them flying away as well, so again be careful of your backstop)

Others should shoot them, preferably headshots.

and vorcha

[Moby]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Sinapus wrote...

IIRC, the kits that can deal with an abomination via heavy melee are:
Batarian (falcon punch explodes their heads and they don't explode)
Shadow (decapitates)
Krogan (sends them flying away, just make sure an ally isn't in your path unless you're in a trolling moood)
AIU (I think it'll send them flying away as well, so again be careful of your backstop)

Others should shoot them, preferably headshots.

and vorcha decapitate

As does Slayer, Cabal...

Ex-Cerberus knocks away...

The list is actually significant.

[CitizenThom]

Air Quotes wrote...

Completion Rate Per Faction & Difficulty

Out of all successful extractions against a given faction, the % of matches per difficulty.

- Cerberus: Bronze (47.0%), Silver (36.3%), Gold (13.3%), Platinum (3.2%)
- Geth: Bronze (37.4%), Silver (38.0%), Gold (22.2%), Platinum (2.4%)
- Reapers: Bronze (38.3%), Silver (35.7%), Gold (17.6%), Platinum (8.4%)
- Collectors: Bronze (43.9%), Silver (44.8%), Gold (8.7%), Platinum (2.6%) 

2-3x less success rate on highter difficulties on average

Mind you, about a third of my Collector games crash, another third suffer from space magic Collector Captains or ninja quiet Praetorians or the ever popular spite spawned Abomination that holds you up long enough for a Collector Captain to gun you down... twice, three times, because the abominations keep magically spawning out of thin air.

The other third of matches are a breeze. Which leads me to believe, without lag they aren't too bad. With lag they are almost as cheesy as the Geth.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Reapers have Marauders and Banshee magnet hands.

Cerberus have Phantoms and turrets.

Geth have Primes and Pyros.

Collectors have everything.



I had forgotten this, but I had a mission, back in January, to extract on Gold against Collectors in a true PuG (i.e. no friends or planned lobbies, pure random PuGs.)
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This has been sitting here for 40 minutes while I search for a thread that will be at the bottom of this.

I have been reading through my old posts about Gold, and Collectors.

- I just read through meeting P51 Mus7ang and Computron. Trippy. The next day I played with Merc, Das Rouse, and Mus7ang. Those games led to... everything?

- "Collectors are OP" is literally the title of every 6th thread 5-6 months ago. "Geth are OP" is the title of... a couple of threads.  (I'm exaggerating at both ends. Not by much, though.)

- Reading through stories about my experience of my jump to Gold is... really weird and interesting. It is, largely, the experience of good players making the jump to Gold since Christmas. It's quite different from making the jump before Christmas, at least from what I'm reading from 6 months ago.
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I'm going to keep looking for the thread about extracting Gold against Collectors. I was trying to do that with PuGs for weeks, without success (all the while extracting consistently agains the other three factions.)
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(Random interrupt: Okay, I've now been writing this post for over two hours while I look. This has been a weird trip down memory lane, reading all my old posts from months ago. Some of the things I said are SO EMBARRASING! )
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(Random interrupt 2: YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY HILARIOUS THREADS I WANT TO NECRO RIGHT NOW! I DON'T USUALLY TAKE A POUNDING, BUT WHEN I DO... WHO WANTS TO BE MY REVIVE GIMP TONIGHT... YOU PEOPLE!!! :lol::lol::lol:)
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FOUND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O

Took three hours... 

But it was weirdly fun, reading through a lot of that, grabbed some links... necro'd some threads... 

Here's the one:

%#&@in' Collectors.

That was funny, the journey to find that. And touching, and weird, and... yeah... 

I started PuGing Gold U/U at the beginning of January. That thread was started towards the end of January. Two weeks later, I finally extracted an U/U Gold Collectors PuG. I had been PuGing Gold for over a month, and had extracted on Platinum several times, before I ever successfully saw extraction in a true Gold UU PuG against Collectors. They are nasty. 

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 28 mai 2013 - 02:52 .

[Cirvante]

I stand behind a thick corner, buttlaser hits me. I put my back to the same corner, buttlaser doesn't hit me. Space magic.

[Terminator Force]

For some reason Collectors don't come up enough in random? Anybody else feel this way?

[Original Twigman]

Dunvi wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Dunvi wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Dunvi wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

And I don't see many no rocket speedruns even by the BSN elitists vs Collectors.  

Not actually relevant. The problem with missile speedrunning collectors is mostly wave 7, which is almost entirely bombers and abominations. It might be the absolute easiest wave in a normal run (unless your teammates all go off to make sandwiches when you're using a Javelin <_<)

 

Not really talking about Platinum. Even on Gold the extraction ratio is a lot lower. 

But the quoted point was explicitly about rocket speedruns. You can't say you're not talking about that when you clearly are.

 

No rocket speedruns. That includes solos. There are tons of fast solos vs Reapers or Cerberus. But not the Collectors. 

That's very clearly not what the quoted point was about, but sure, fine. There are no fast solos against collectors - I actually started doing the math at some point to show that their wave budgets per DPS required to kill is somewhat off, especially when you take possession into account. Does that make them OP? No, it just means that you have to deal twice as much damage total as you do for nearly any other faction to empty a wave budget.

Again, not necessarily disagreeing with your claim that Collectors are OP. Am disagreeing with all of your "proof".

... after reading the responses to this by AQ, i am strongly questioning his Reading Comprehension.

Ah... what the sideways thinking of the Enlightenment Era has done to skew our feelings on "facts"

[megabeast37215]

At least he changed his avatar...

[the_last_krogan]

collectors are only hard because they freeze your ps3
take their ps3 stasis attack away and they'd be f'd

[Alijah Green]

Sinful Force wrote...

For some reason Collectors don't come up enough in random? Anybody else feel this way?

Just about everythime I pug especially after getting BPP I get Collector for the first match....

and where did the stats come from?

[Alijah Green]

megabeast37215 wrote...

At least he changed his avatar...

did he they all look the same 

[Original Twigman]

Alijah Green wrote...

Sinful Force wrote...

For some reason Collectors don't come up enough in random? Anybody else feel this way?

Just about everythime I pug especially after getting BPP I get Collector for the first match....

and where did the stats come from?

from king coleman, himself

[MaxShine]

I would like to see some older kits slightly buffed so that they are better against the Collectors' most annoying features: exploding seeker swarm/seeker plague, exploding (non-possessed) Abomination. We see that the new kits very often have increased base health/shields/barriers, some sort of shield recharge ability or damage reduction so you can take all of their abilities and they still have quite good survivability... Some older kits do not have this and deserve a buff, I think this will help them against the Collectors

[MaxCrushmore]

the_last_krogan wrote...

collectors are only hard because they freeze your ps3
take their ps3 stasis attack away and they'd be f'd

This ... I like playing the Collectors, but hard freezing will sometimes occur ... like another posted said earlier ... they have big squishy heads

I find them to be the 2nd most enjoyable faction to play against (possibly the 2nd easiest) behind the Reapers. Geth stun annoys the crap out of me and is one of the most unfair dynamics in the whole game, while Cerberus would be the easiest if it wasn't for ninja turrets and phantoms.

The biggest problem with Collectors is the typical PUG seems to assume failure when getting them, and will not, on average, use consumables (at least less then the average PUGger against other factions, in my exp.)