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[LordDavias]

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

Admittedly, I lol a lot watching Xcal play ME3 on youtube. But he is also a troll legend in his own lunch hour.

I have, at times, when I'm doing well. Not fired when I could of killed something easy. Or I let that Jugg finish his slower than slow melee kill, cos that same Jugg had a Banshee tea party while I tangod round glacier bombing mooks. Sometimes, it's good to think about team morale.

[Caineghis2500]

Beerfish wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

I love soloing with pugs. Pugs are an inconvenience anyways. They're better off dead and out of my way.
I only need them for Hacks and escorts but other than that they can die for all I care Buahahaha:lol:

It's more difficult to carry a team and have to lower ones strategy to a team denomiantor than it is to go into a game and solo.  As a matter of fact I've seen more than a few games where the good player who essentially is just soloing actually causes the demise of the rest of the group.  The players that do this often are simplynot as good players as those that are very good but also very team orientated.

It's not my fault if they run off from the team and get sync killed. I stick with the team and revive all the time but they keep making stupid rambo solo moves away from the team and die somewhere far from the rest of us.And so on and so on. A pug almost never bleeds out under my watch but there's nothing I can do if they decide to run off on there own and get sync killed:mellow:

Modifié par caineghis2500, 27 mai 2013 - 08:55 .

[Creator Limbs]

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

Admittedly, I lol a lot watching Xcal play ME3 on youtube. But he is also a troll legend in his own lunch hour.

I have, at times, when I'm doing well. Not fired when I could of killed something easy. Or I let that Jugg finish his slower than slow melee kill, cos that same Jugg had a Banshee tea party while I tangod round glacier bombing mooks. Sometimes, it's good to think about team morale.

Does this logic also apply to the PUGs who refused to gear up because they 'don't have anything'?

Because maybe they'd do more damage with some equipment and then their morale wouldn't be so negatively afffected. 

[megabeast37215]

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

Admittedly, I lol a lot watching Xcal play ME3 on youtube. But he is also a troll legend in his own lunch hour.

I have, at times, when I'm doing well. Not fired when I could of killed something easy. Or I let that Jugg finish his slower than slow melee kill, cos that same Jugg had a Banshee tea party while I tangod round glacier bombing mooks. Sometimes, it's good to think about team morale.

I see your point... and I pretty much agree with it.

I mean... I attack spawn points, but I don't make it my goal to absolutely decimate things before anyone else has a chance to play the game. In fact... quite the opposite. I tend to casually stroll around the map all willy nilly and just kill whatever I run into. The only spawn I attack with any vigor is the first one. I WANT other players to pull weight... hell... I WANT someone to outscore me... I think that's awesome.

[Jelena Jankovic]

my manifest isn't quite maxed and I have done that a couple of times

[NuclearTech76]

It depends entirely on the try factor of the people I'm playing with. If they're using consumables and still failing usually I'll try to carry them to extraction. If they're deadbeat slugs then screw em, I'll either quit or kill down to the last enemy then put Benny Hill on till I get at least two hatemail messages or the whole damn lobby quits.

The last scenario usually requires pretty extreme leeching, as I'm usually not a complete bastard.

[Harbingerpromo]

I do have a maxed manifest and i'm experiencing quite the oposite. I'm much more tolerant with people that just wanna get money, after all...who can blame them, the store is too frustrating and the game is in it's dawn stage to have a normal bronze/silver/gold progression as we all did, and I truly believe that half the skill in this game is just good gear/weapons. And besides, back in our day we had FWGG for easy credits, what do they have now? Rio? not even close.

[Meistr_Chef]

megabeast37215 wrote...

d_nought wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I like carrying scrubs.

It makes me feel big.

Neither one of you has any reason to 'feel big'... you're both already known as some of the very best players on your respective platforms. Reaffirming this notion is redundant.

Huh? I find it hard to believe that many outside the BSN clique know any of you as the best of ME3MP. Heck, I'm on BSN pretty often and I don't know who they are - and why should I anyway?

Modifié par Meistr_Chef, 27 mai 2013 - 09:18 .

[Megadux]

caineghis2500 wrote...

I love soloing with pugs. Pugs are an inconvenience anyways. They're better off dead and out of my way.
I only need them for Hacks and escorts but other than that they can die for all I care Buahahaha:lol:

It is too cruel and unjust comment. Some of them are good people who care about the other players and even love the animals.

You are no longer my idol. Start to look for a new...
 

Modifié par MegaduxT, 27 mai 2013 - 09:19 .

[Wizard of Ox]

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

Admittedly, I lol a lot watching Xcal play ME3 on youtube. But he is also a troll legend in his own lunch hour.

I have, at times, when I'm doing well. Not fired when I could of killed something easy. Or I let that Jugg finish his slower than slow melee kill, cos that same Jugg had a Banshee tea party while I tangod round glacier bombing mooks. Sometimes, it's good to think about team morale.

So, you're saying that it is more interesting for you to have a leeching team and wipe wave four than having a player capable of carrying you? I can understand your point though, but I just don't get how watching on spectator mode is funnier than trying to find something to kill. I'd rather have them quite the game then purposely die and do nothing else the entire game. Besides, I rarely see players as good as you described in pugs. 

[Heldarion]

I don't solo any waves in pugs. The game is too afraid to let me do that and kills enemies instead.

[Sket]

Harbingerpromo wrote...

I do have a maxed manifest and i'm experiencing quite the oposite. I'm much more tolerant with people that just wanna get money, after all...who can blame them, the store is too frustrating and the game is in it's dawn stage to have a normal bronze/silver/gold progression as we all did, and I truly believe that half the skill in this game is just good gear/weapons. And besides, back in our day we had FWGG for easy credits, what do they have now? Rio? not even close.

People who make no effort at all in a match will not have me play the game for them, this is what we're talking about here, not people who actually try. 

[IamZAE]

You clutch because you are a spectre, the best of the best and that's what you do.

Now go ahead and carry dem pugs because dats wat u do best son!

Modifié par IamZAE, 27 mai 2013 - 09:32 .

[Harbingerpromo]

Sketfish wrote...

Harbingerpromo wrote...

I do have a maxed manifest and i'm experiencing quite the oposite. I'm much more tolerant with people that just wanna get money, after all...who can blame them, the store is too frustrating and the game is in it's dawn stage to have a normal bronze/silver/gold progression as we all did, and I truly believe that half the skill in this game is just good gear/weapons. And besides, back in our day we had FWGG for easy credits, what do they have now? Rio? not even close.

People who make no effort at all in a match will not have me play the game for them, this is what we're talking about here, not people who actually try. 

Meh. The ammount of "effort" is purely a subjective point of view, you can say that they don't use gels, but perhaps they don't have or have only 1 or 2 available at a match, you can't say they don't effort but perhaps they are trying their best with their best shotgun (a Katana or a Disciple) that's not even at level X, and the list goes on and on. Unless I see someone running at an enemy hoping to get sync-killed (in a year playing i haven't found ANY example like that) i tend to think they are, indeed, trying. I think we have forgotten how HARD is to get good gear/ammo in this game thanks to the (in)famous RNG. Back when we started there was lots of less gear, weapons, etc.

[Caineghis2500]

MegaduxT wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

I love soloing with pugs. Pugs are an inconvenience anyways. They're better off dead and out of my way.
I only need them for Hacks and escorts but other than that they can die for all I care Buahahaha:lol:

It is too cruel and unjust comment. Some of them are good people who care about the other players and even love the animals.

You are no longer my idol. Start to look for a new...
 

lol I was trolling;)

[Daxamite]

what do you count as leaching? I mean, virtually no PUG i encounter will use rockets or gel, and if not revived will bleed out. Quite often they will gel when its now too late, ie they are the last person and they dont have the skill to solo a wave.

I just dont get the mentality. I enjoy the game most when we at least get past wave 10 credits, why play the game if youre just gonna flop out and fail the match beforehand?

[LordDavias]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

Admittedly, I lol a lot watching Xcal play ME3 on youtube. But he is also a troll legend in his own lunch hour.

I have, at times, when I'm doing well. Not fired when I could of killed something easy. Or I let that Jugg finish his slower than slow melee kill, cos that same Jugg had a Banshee tea party while I tangod round glacier bombing mooks. Sometimes, it's good to think about team morale.

So, you're saying that it is more interesting for you to have a leeching team and wipe wave four than having a player capable of carrying you? I can understand your point though, but I just don't get how watching on spectator mode is funnier than trying to find something to kill. I'd rather have them quite the game then purposely die and do nothing else the entire game. Besides, I rarely see players as good as you described in pugs. 

You get a lot of people telling you what you're saying on BSN

I get your point, there's obviously a sweet spot on the bell curve. I've only solo'd silver personally, and a few gold waves here and there, so I wont be carrying anyone too far

[hostaman]

megabeast37215 wrote...

..........Then it dawned on me... why should I? .........

Because you joined a PUG and that's the deal.

If you're such a genius that you can only play with experts, then host your own private games.

Otherwise, quit moaning, and work for your PUG team.

[Damanique]

My manifest isn't fully maxed yet, but it's pretty close, and I tend to drop a game on the pattern of suckiness. Screw up once, I'll solo a wave. Screw up twice, it depends on what's left - if it's at the start of the wave, I'll probably bail. Screw up a third and I'm out.

I tend to be pretty judgy about the N7 / promotions / challenge points stats in the lobby, too. It might not be the final tell on someone's skill level, but it's the only indicator you got with PUGs.

Another important factor is team morale. LordDavias is right that bad morale can make players do worse - hell, that's true enough for me. If SuperKillPwnageDudeOrLady3000 takes over 50% of the kills I feel like I can't get into the 'flow' of battle and I keep screwing up on **** that would be a breeze on a match with equal players. Also not reviving people who are easy to revive (not in the middle of a mob party) is a real quick team spirit killer, so I always try to make the revive. I've noticed people will definitely try harder and do better when they feel like the players have each other's back.

It might not matter much for some when it's 'just randoms', but for me it's part of the gameplay experience. ME3MP is very much a team game, in mechanics and powers but also in the ME spirit.

[OniGanon]

PhoenixUK wrote...

what do you count as leaching? I mean, virtually no PUG i encounter will use rockets or gel, and if not revived will bleed out. Quite often they will gel when its now too late, ie they are the last person and they dont have the skill to solo a wave.

I just dont get the mentality. I enjoy the game most when we at least get past wave 10 credits, why play the game if youre just gonna flop out and fail the match beforehand?

These useless leeches have only Gel capacity 2 because they skipped Silver difficulty, and they're permanently out of Gel anyway because they buy only Arsenal Packs.

They don't use consumables because they don't have any, because they're trying to leech their way straight up into Gold instead of earning their way there through Silver.

Not that I can entirely blame them. Failing on Wave 7 Gold is quicker and more profitable than succeeding on Silver.



Anyway, I wouldn't ever quit the game, but if the team is wiping on Wave 3 I would almost certainly just give up and die.

Modifié par OniGanon, 27 mai 2013 - 09:56 .

[solidprice]

i like to try to carry. need to stroke the E-peen from time to time.

i need the practice for boss spam aka platinum.

[ArcaptSSX]

I understand megabeast, and i've done that since before my manifest was maxed. They want those creds? Let them earn it, with their efforts, if not their kills. I just did the same in a game where everyone allowed themselves to bleed out on wave 4: i gelled, killed everything but one trooper, and let myself die to his elbow of doom.

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

I'm a pretty solid player, maxed manifest and everything, but i also encounter that. I mean i avoid playing too strong kits in general, and when you find a fully geared GI+Javelin X in Gold, or the much dreaded TGI+Harrier while either combo already feel like cheating on platinum, you know that you're going to struggle to even find enemies to kill.

Modifié par ArcaptSSX, 27 mai 2013 - 09:54 .

[Wizard of Ox]

LordDavias wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

Admittedly, I lol a lot watching Xcal play ME3 on youtube. But he is also a troll legend in his own lunch hour.

I have, at times, when I'm doing well. Not fired when I could of killed something easy. Or I let that Jugg finish his slower than slow melee kill, cos that same Jugg had a Banshee tea party while I tangod round glacier bombing mooks. Sometimes, it's good to think about team morale.

So, you're saying that it is more interesting for you to have a leeching team and wipe wave four than having a player capable of carrying you? I can understand your point though, but I just don't get how watching on spectator mode is funnier than trying to find something to kill. I'd rather have them quite the game then purposely die and do nothing else the entire game. Besides, I rarely see players as good as you described in pugs. 

You get a lot of people telling you what you're saying on BSN

I get your point, there's obviously a sweet spot on the bell curve. I've only solo'd silver personally, and a few gold waves here and there, so I wont be carrying anyone too far

Still, that makes you better than most. 

ArcaptSSX wrote...

I understand megabeast, and i've done that since before my manifest was maxed. They want those creds? Let them earn it, with their efforts, if not their kills. I just did the same in a game where everyone allowed themselves to bleed out on wave 4: i gelled, killed everything but one trooper, and let myself die to his elbow of doom.

LordDavias wrote...

Since I'm saucing the place up already. It's possible that some of you good players are getting people killed.

Sometimes when you play with CaptainSauceMaster001, and he's killin' freakin everything in the time it took you to imagine killing it, the game gets freakin dull. I have died in past games through total boredom, since I'm forced to leg it towards situations I wasn't comfortable with to actually get some play value.

Following CaptainSauceMaster001 around can be really tedious. Oh yeah, you could say, the challenge is to take a kill off of him. Except when CSM001 is a trollkillshotter to boot.

I'm a pretty solid player, maxed manifest and everything, but i also encounter that. I mean i avoid playing too strong kits in general, and when you find a fully geared GI+Javelin X in Gold, or the much dreaded TGI+Harrier while either combo already feel like cheating on platinum, you know that you're going to struggle to even find enemies to kill.

That would be true except there are many GI and TGI failing everyday. Especialy GIs. And I don't get why people complain about good players using powerful kits. I'd rather have three Javelin GIs than three leeching Juggs. All about the e-peen (not intended to you personally though). 

Modifié par KroGan_eRRanT, 27 mai 2013 - 10:01 .

[Sket]

[quote]Harbingerpromo wrote...

[quote]Sketfish wrote...

[quote]Harbingerpromo wrote...

I do have a maxed manifest and i'm experiencing quite the oposite. I'm much more tolerant with people that just wanna get money, after all...who can blame them, the store is too frustrating and the game is in it's dawn stage to have a normal bronze/silver/gold progression as we all did, and I truly believe that half the skill in this game is just good gear/weapons. And besides, back in our day we had FWGG for easy credits, what do they have now? Rio? not even close.[/quote]

People who make no effort at all in a match will not have me play the game for them, this is what we're talking about here, not people who actually try. 

[/quote]

Meh. The ammount of "effort" is purely a subjective point of view, you can say that they don't use gels, but perhaps they don't have or have only 1 or 2 available at a match, you can't say they don't effort but perhaps they are trying their best with their best shotgun (a Katana or a Disciple) that's not even at level X, and the list goes on and on. Unless I see someone running at an enemy hoping to get sync-killed (in a year playing i haven't found ANY example like that) i tend to think they are, indeed, trying. I think we have forgotten how HARD is to get good gear/ammo in this game thanks to the (in)famous RNG. Back when we started there was lots of less gear, weapons, etc.
[/quote

We're obviously talking about different scenarios here. I am talking about leechers - people who run towards a sync kill unit at the start of every wave, as per your example. I can certainly say that they're not putting any effort in and I've also had people say they won't gel because I look like I know what I'm doing and left me to solo numerous waves. What you're describing is a newcomer, and I have no problem playing with them regardless of what their skill level may be. In essence, I think we're on the same page here.

Yes, I can't quote for ****. Complete computer illiterate here...:pinched:

Modifié par Sketfish, 27 mai 2013 - 10:12 .

[Tokenusername]

Can you see your house from on top of that horse?