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#176
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dima_che wrote...

I prefer to solo that wave while constantly singing some song in Russian. Whenever someone starts raging about this, I say: "This is your punishment for failure".
EDIT: I really love singing, but my vocal skills suck.


note to self: Learn enough Russian to sing to dead PUGs as I stomp on the clutch and drive the failure car all the way home. Till then, make sure to have a kazoo within reach for some EPIC Slayer or Iron Maiden riffs. 

"This is your punishment for failure!"

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Maurader Sackboy wrote...

b00g13man wrote...  If I wanted to play solo, I'd be doing that already.

This is about how I feel.  Soloing just takes so much more time, plus -- I'm shy about people spectating me.

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Heh, the shyness will go away eventually, to be replaced by apathy. Spectating is their punishment for dieing, not yours :)

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lordshenlong wrote...

so you don't want to let them watch you play well and maybe just maybe learn something


They need it explained more than watching IMO. They need things like 'right hand advantage' and 'staggering' spelled out in clear, concise English for instance... watching me do it probably won't teach them the core fundamentals they need. It is pleasant when you do find one that does want to learn... but those instances are even more rare than the good pugs.

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CaptStach3 wrote...

dima_che wrote...

I prefer to solo that wave while constantly singing some song in Russian. Whenever someone starts raging about this, I say: "This is your punishment for failure".
EDIT: I really love singing, but my vocal skills suck.


note to self: Learn enough Russian to sing to dead PUGs as I stomp on the clutch and drive the failure car all the way home. Till then, make sure to have a kazoo within reach for some EPIC Slayer or Iron Maiden riffs. 

"This is your punishment for failure!"


Slayer and Maiden is a reward! Image IPB

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BTW: everytime I read the thread title, there's this voice in my head singing it like this:
(go to approx. 1:05)

"Doooon't clutch, just quit!" :P

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 28 mai 2013 - 02:36 .


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Elitist BSN is elitist. :whistle:

Seriously though, I get the frustration with people in matches who just want to be carried. But, judging by the daily posts here, one would think this happens all the time, when that's just not true. I almost only ever play random matches, and the only match any time in recent memory that has failed was one that had another BSNer in it (not blaming them, I take all the responsibility, but--making a point). And, I rarely ever have to carry a wave, let alone a match.

So, you all are allowed your frustrations and rants, but this thread, along with 95% of the other "pugs are bad" threads just don't match with reality.

Carry on. :P

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BattleCop88 wrote...

What GallowsPole and Cheylus are saying. Many times it only appears that a PuG isn't trying, or is unwilling to use medi gel or rockets. If you look at my manifest, I'm still constantly out of medi gel.

Honestly, I have always blamed unintentionally bad PUGs on the RNG store and rewards system. The store equips newer players with weapons they're not comfortable with. For example, in the first few weeks , all I got were snipers and sniper mods/consumables/gear, yet I'm the most comfortable with everything else, especially assault rifles and pistols. Many players want to contribute, but can't because they are equipped with things they don't use/can't use together.

Also, a big problem I see that only GallowsPole touched on is the bad reward system. Even playing at Silver, where newer players are supposed to be getting more credits to afford the necessary manifest to contribute in a Gold game, at the most you earn about 33000 credits. That's just enough to get a JEP. God forbid if your team ends up wiping or gets less than full extraction. For them, many times their Silver games don't go smoothly, so they end up using all of their medi gel by the time they reached the store. Then they have to choose between getting (gambling for) the right guns, or spending everything on a single JEP, the only pack guaranteed to give players medi gel. What happens is that those players are forced to spend all credits on medi gel, just so they can spend the next match's credits on medi gel. They simply cannot save without playing on Gold or hoarding/refusing to stock up on medi gel.

There's no profit below Gold, and I think that contributes to the PuG problems almost as much as the RnG store.


That is a somewhat legit point.

When I played on my friends account (played until I maxed his rares) I typically had low gel/rockets/ops... but when I got low I always bought a jumbo. I taught him this policy as well. If you're on Silver... you can get by with nothing... but if you're on Gold+.... I personally feel you need to be prepared with the appropriate amount of medi-gel.

The whole "I only by PSPs" mentality is the problem. The desire for manifest progression should not IMO deter people from having 5-6 medi-gel available per Gold match. You're going to need that gel to get the Gold$$ to progress the manifest anyway.

How can I sympathize with manifest greed at the expense of being a competent teammate? I can't...

Someone earlier made a point about not having a FBW/G/G anymore like the old days... I think THAT is a very good point. FBW/G/G was a stepping stone into U/U/G... and now there is nothing to replace it except maybe Collectors/Silver... but the payout is garbage.

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RedLens37 wrote...

Elitist BSN is elitist. :whistle:

Seriously though, I get the frustration with people in matches who just want to be carried. But, judging by the daily posts here, one would think this happens all the time, when that's just not true. I almost only ever play random matches, and the only match any time in recent memory that has failed was one that had another BSNer in it (not blaming them, I take all the responsibility, but--making a point). And, I rarely ever have to carry a wave, let alone a match.

So, you all are allowed your frustrations and rants, but this thread, along with 95% of the other "pugs are bad" threads just don't match with reality.

Carry on. :P


No one said every single pug is bad... that's simply not true. Typically you get 1-2 decent players. It's like a box of chocolates...

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RedLens37 wrote...

Elitist BSN is elitist. :whistle:

Seriously though, I get the frustration with people in matches who just want to be carried. But, judging by the daily posts here, one would think this happens all the time, when that's just not true. I almost only ever play random matches, and the only match any time in recent memory that has failed was one that had another BSNer in it (not blaming them, I take all the responsibility, but--making a point). And, I rarely ever have to carry a wave, let alone a match.

So, you all are allowed your frustrations and rants, but this thread, along with 95% of the other "pugs are bad" threads just don't match with reality.

Carry on. :P


The threads don't match your reality, this doesn't make them any less real.

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megabeast37215 wrote...

No one said every single pug is bad... that's simply not true. Typically you get 1-2 decent players. It's like a box of chocolates...


I guess then I'm satisfied with 50-75% of the chocolates being edible, even if the rest have to be thrown out (coconut creme filling). :sick:

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Sketfish wrote...

The threads don't match your reality, this doesn't make them any less real.

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Guess I'm one lucky bastard then.

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BattleCop88 wrote...

@viper_veteran Thing is, the metagame puts power users at a disadvantage. Between factions a e enemies that trivialize powers, high dodge rates, and a few under-powered abilities, there aren't many options.


Sadly this is true but there are characters who can bypass the disadvantages human adept, huntress and GTS being a few. Out of those three the human adept is the most accessible to all players that is what I recommend to all new players whenever they ask for my advice.

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RedLens37 wrote...

Elitist BSN is elitist. :whistle:

Seriously though, I get the frustration with people in matches who just want to be carried. But, judging by the daily posts here, one would think this happens all the time, when that's just not true. I almost only ever play random matches, and the only match any time in recent memory that has failed was one that had another BSNer in it (not blaming them, I take all the responsibility, but--making a point). And, I rarely ever have to carry a wave, let alone a match.

So, you all are allowed your frustrations and rants, but this thread, along with 95% of the other "pugs are bad" threads just don't match with reality.

Carry on. :P


No, they don't match with YOUR reality. But they match with many many others here. Including mine. Sometimes I don't mind clutching more than one wave, if I'm playing an optimal set-up. But if I'm not, then yeah, sometimes i won't, and that should be okay.

Like I said before, if it is ok for randoms to choose to play Gold without any gels/ops packs/thermal clips/cobra missiles in their inventory, than it should be okay for me to not give a damn if no one gels/rockets etc.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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megabeast37215 wrote...

When I played on my friends account (played until I maxed his rares) I typically had low gel/rockets/ops... but when I got low I always bought a jumbo. I taught him this policy as well. If you're on Silver... you can get by with nothing... but if you're on Gold+.... I personally feel you need to be prepared with the appropriate amount of medi-gel.

The whole "I only by PSPs" mentality is the problem. The desire for manifest progression should not IMO deter people from having 5-6 medi-gel available per Gold match. You're going to need that gel to get the Gold$$ to progress the manifest anyway.


The ideal buying strategy should involve a mix of packs, for sure. And the variety does the best job of covering all your eventualities. Before I maxed my Rares, I was still buying Vet Packs regularly, and I almost never ran out of anything.

As soon as I maxed my Rares, and started exclusively buying PSPs and JEPs, I found myself almost ALWAYS critically short of Ops Packs, a problem I still deal with, even now (I believe I have over 200 of everything, and about 10 Ops Packs.)

I've started to address the problem by buying Vet Packs instead of JEPs. It costs a little more, on average, to restock on Ops Packs this way (RNG can make it better, sometimes) but the value more than pays for itself by not wasting money - you don't get level 1 stuff that you'll never use, 

So, I'm trying to convince players without maxed manifests to follow advice I recently saw in a thread, and work Vet Packs into your buying schedule, instead of JEPs.

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palmof40sorrows wrote...

No, they don't match with YOUR reality. But they match with many many others here. Including mine. Sometimes I don't mind clutching more than one wave, if I'm playing an optimal set-up. But if I'm not, then yeah, sometimes i won't, and that should be okay.

Like I said before, if it is ok for randoms to choose to play Gold without any gels/ops packs/thermal clips/cobra missiles in their inventory, than it should be okay for me to not give a damn if no one gels/rockets etc.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.




Yep, to each his own. I just haven't run into the situation where I wanted to quit. My try-hard pants are tight.

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Ghostknife72 wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

Then why PUG at all? We all know what to expect most of the time.


To find diamonds in the rough... they do exist. I met Darkseid in a PUG, for instance. They don't al suck... and I don't even mind them sucking... but I do mind them not trying.


Still have never been in a game with you myself. Would like to change that, send me an invite sometime.;) 



I tried the other night.  You ignored me.  :crying:


Sorry, I was in a game already. I ignore everyone until I get back into the lobby.:D

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I feel where you're coming from Megabeast. I had one PUG in the past week where the other 3 people would go down and bleed out before the second spawn of wave, forcing me to clutch pretty much the whole thing. After doing that multiple times, when we got to wave 5 and they all dropped again, I got fed up and when I got downed I refused to medigel and let myself bleed out. If I wasn't still working on my manifest I would have just quit the match, but I need to get paid. heh

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The other thread directed at this one made me re-read Megabeast's original post, and I realized I don't have any problem with it. If you're not having fun, quit. Why waste your time with a game that's not fun?

But, as someone who is almost always a "pug," I get tired of the over-the-top pug hate. I remember plenty of occassions a year ago, lying dead on the ground watching someone better than me clutch a wave, and now I'm happy to (try to) return the favor. Can't we just get along? :wub:

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megabeast37215 wrote...

RedLens37 wrote...

Elitist BSN is elitist. :whistle:

Seriously though, I get the frustration with people in matches who just want to be carried. But, judging by the daily posts here, one would think this happens all the time, when that's just not true. I almost only ever play random matches, and the only match any time in recent memory that has failed was one that had another BSNer in it (not blaming them, I take all the responsibility, but--making a point). And, I rarely ever have to carry a wave, let alone a match.

So, you all are allowed your frustrations and rants, but this thread, along with 95% of the other "pugs are bad" threads just don't match with reality.

Carry on. :P


No one said every single pug is bad... that's simply not true. Typically you get 1-2 decent players. It's like a box of chocolates...


'Ya never know what you're gonna get'
-Momma


Mega is officially the Forrest Gump of ME3

Modifié par Notorious P I G, 28 mai 2013 - 04:12 .


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Notorious P I G wrote...


'Ya never know what you're gonna get'
-Momma


Mega is officially the Forrest Gump of ME3


Is that why he's "running" from matches?

Just kidding. Sorry, I couldn't resist. For whatever reason BSN has gotten my blood pressure up today...I should go.

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RedLens37 wrote...

The other thread directed at this one made me re-read Megabeast's original post, and I realized I don't have any problem with it. If you're not having fun, quit. Why waste your time with a game that's not fun?

But, as someone who is almost always a "pug," I get tired of the over-the-top pug hate. I remember plenty of occassions a year ago, lying dead on the ground watching someone better than me clutch a wave, and now I'm happy to (try to) return the favor. Can't we just get along? :wub:



I don't have a problem with PUG's in general it is just the ones who don't try or I should say aren't really bothered about winning and not using/buying medi-gel is a big indicator of that. 

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one bad wave =/= bad pug. In my experience 90% of games which have a bad wave, almost always result in players rallying together.

Everyone jumping on this anti-pug bandwagon is really kind of pathetic.

Modifié par DcIhNaGv3z, 28 mai 2013 - 04:31 .


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I get messaged after every pug games about how they learned something about tactic, surviving ooh and great tenacity.... Pugs dont only watch, they study. They need to be shown the light. Didn't you say once that you like playing among noobs cuz it makes you feel like "daddy" to them? Lol then think of pugs like little children.

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people who brag about having maxed their manifest just prove they have no life, go buy a new game and start a new adventure lol

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megabeast37215, that was probably me that was hosting that match. I have no excuse. When I start a game, I usually play a public game and if people join, the join; if they leave, they leave. I had two games like the one you describe about the time you described and the rest of the games I played around that time went very well. Those two games however, did not. I had distractions at that time between my kids and people dying that I am compelled to revive that those two matches really did not go well. I take it back, one of those two matches we made it to wave 9 and I ended up with 120k.

tl;dr: I have a bad habit of starting a game and going off to play with the possibility of playing and usually ending up using my gels because I'm trying to revive other people by wave 3.

It probably was me /notrollz