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[SpamBot2000]

Robosexual wrote...

That's what happened here on BSN. People got spurred into being angry, it was like a circle where people were getting themselves worked up far more than they should have. Even worse is a lot of lies were being spread and people were blindly believing them, and the IT theory came along and made it impossible to communicate as far too many people believed it.

Ah yes, the "angry fans indoctrinated themselves" theory. Needless to say, we have dismissed those frankly idiotic claims.

"Bu- but the lies!"

Yeah, what lies were those again? That BioWare lied about the game pre-release? Because there was no ABC ending, right? 

You live in a mystical land of make-believe, where nothing is bad and people are disappointed simple because they want to be trendily indignant. Me, I just wanted to have a decent ending for my favorite game series. And BW had other priorities. Then idiots started labeling me a "hater". So now I hate 'em.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 29 mai 2013 - 07:06 .

[David7204]

Given that you cooked up an elaborate theory that the entire ending incident was a conspiracy by Walters to sell comic books, I'm not sure you're in the best position to be talking about 'idiotic claims.'

Modifié par David7204, 29 mai 2013 - 07:17 .

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

Given that you cooked an elaborate theory that the entire ending incident was a conspiracy by Walters to sell comic books, I'm not sure you're in the best position to be talking about 'idiotic claims.'

Except that I didn't, that was chemiclord's caricature of what I said.

Oh, Dave. I want you to purchase a clue. I'll pay. Just tell me where to send money.

[David7204]

Here's the thread where you spelled it out right here.

social.bioware.com/forums.bioware.com/my_account/viewprofile.html/forum/1/topic/355/index/16602001/1

Not a single post by chemiclord.

Modifié par David7204, 29 mai 2013 - 07:14 .

[MegaSovereign]

Battle of the Poker faces.

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

Here's the thread where you spelled it out right here.

social.bioware.com/forums.bioware.com/my_account/viewprofile.html/forum/1/topic/355/index/16602001/1

Not a single post by chemiclord.

That says "leaving him free to milk the franchise with comics", not "selling more comics as a result". Yes, he obviously wants to write 8 words per page for $$$$, rather than complex multilinear RPGs. 

The difference is not such a subtle one that it couldn't be understood. 

But once again: Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wanted the story of Mass Effect to end. That's why they concocted an ending that Mr. Walters chucklingly refers to as "a boring wasteland". This means Mr. Walters can still write an occasional gem like "He Who Laughs Last" or whatever it was called. Because there's no new developments to consider. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 29 mai 2013 - 07:24 .

[dreamgazer]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

But once again: Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wanted the story of Mass Effect to end. That's why they concocted an ending that Mr. Walters chucklingly refers to as "a boring wasteland".

How many major cities and planets that we see in ME3 aren't a wasteland after the Reapers were done with them?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 mai 2013 - 07:27 .

[SpamBot2000]

dreamgazer wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

But once again: Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wanted the story of Mass Effect to end. That's why they concocted an ending that Mr. Walters chucklingly refers to as "a boring wasteland".

How many major cities and planets that we see in ME3 aren't a wasteland after the Reapers were done with them?

Too freaking many for Mr. Walters, it appears. He was determined to lay waste the whole galaxy. A boring one at that.

Edit: Had to fix that, got my arguments backwards while multitasking.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 29 mai 2013 - 07:29 .

[MegaSovereign]

He wasn't specifically referring to the ending. That was a pre-release quote so obviously he wouldn't want to spoil too much. He's referring to the state of the galaxy post-ME3. The Reapers did more damage to the galaxy than the Crucible ever could (unless you had low-EMS). Homeworlds were devastated and pretty much every soul would be focused on rebuilding infrastructure or revitalizing the galactic economy. He also didn't say "boring wasteland" as one phrase. He said a wasteland setting would be boring, and he's not wrong.

Once again quotes are taken out of context, not really surprising.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 29 mai 2013 - 07:29 .

[David7204]

Why don't you cast aside the ridiculous delusion that Walters is somehow forced to work on Mass Effect?

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

He wasn't specifically referring to the ending. That was a pre-release quote so obviously he wouldn't want to spoil too much. He's referring to the state of the galaxy post-ME3. The Reapers did more damage to the galaxy than the Crucible ever could (unless you had low-EMS). Homeworlds were devastated and pretty much every soul would be focused on rebuilding infrastructure or revitalizing the galactic economy. He also didn't say "boring wasteland" as one phrase. He said a wasteland setting would be boring, and he's not wrong.

Once again quotes are taken out of context, not really surprising.

I disagree. I think "An End, Once And For All" is the correct context. And no one's showing how it isn't.

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

He also didn't say "boring wasteland" as one phrase. He said a wasteland setting would be boring, and he's not wrong.

I dig post-event settings quite a bit, but a ME post-event setting would kill most of the series' core aesthetic strengths. 

Look at the BSN's reception to Priority: Earth's level design.

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

Why don't you cast aside the ridiculous delusion that Walters is somehow forced to work on Mass Effect?

Obviously he's free to quit his job. I don't think that would be a smart move for him, and he probably agrees. But as long as he's at BW, he's gonna be working on what EA let him work on. Same for Casey Hudson, who practically went around saying how bored he's with Mass Effect, and itching to get started on his new mystery IP.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 29 mai 2013 - 07:35 .

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

He wasn't specifically referring to the ending. That was a pre-release quote so obviously he wouldn't want to spoil too much. He's referring to the state of the galaxy post-ME3. The Reapers did more damage to the galaxy than the Crucible ever could (unless you had low-EMS). Homeworlds were devastated and pretty much every soul would be focused on rebuilding infrastructure or revitalizing the galactic economy. He also didn't say "boring wasteland" as one phrase. He said a wasteland setting would be boring, and he's not wrong.

Once again quotes are taken out of context, not really surprising.

I disagree. I think "An End, Once And For All" is the correct context. And no one's showing how it isn't.

I just told you how. It was a pre-release quote. They weren't going to spoil anything that wasn't already obvious. He's clearly talking about the state of the galaxy as a result of the Reaper war.

[dreamgazer]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

He wasn't specifically referring to the ending. That was a pre-release quote so obviously he wouldn't want to spoil too much. He's referring to the state of the galaxy post-ME3. The Reapers did more damage to the galaxy than the Crucible ever could (unless you had low-EMS). Homeworlds were devastated and pretty much every soul would be focused on rebuilding infrastructure or revitalizing the galactic economy. He also didn't say "boring wasteland" as one phrase. He said a wasteland setting would be boring, and he's not wrong.

Once again quotes are taken out of context, not really surprising.

I disagree. I think "An End, Once And For All" is the correct context. And no one's showing how it isn't.

Well, except for the people who worked on the extended cut. 

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I just told you how. It was a pre-release quote. They weren't going to spoil anything that wasn't already obvious. He's clearly talking about the state of the galaxy as a result of the Reaper war.

Frankly I find it incredibly spoilerific for a pre-release quote. Wish I had seen it before buying.

[SpamBot2000]

dreamgazer wrote...

Well, except for the people who worked on the extended cut. 

Yes, that's clearly a management intervention to walk the thing back from the mess the pair of them walked it into. Sadly they didn't go all the way, for whatever reason. Could even be contractual.

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I just told you how. It was a pre-release quote. They weren't going to spoil anything that wasn't already obvious. He's clearly talking about the state of the galaxy as a result of the Reaper war.

Frankly I find it incredibly spoilerific for a pre-release quote. Wish I had seen it before buying.

So... you didn't play the ME3 demo? Or watch any of the trailers showing the Reapers' arrival to Earth?

[CronoDragoon]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Frankly I find it incredibly spoilerific for a pre-release quote. Wish I had seen it before buying.

But had you seen it before playing, you'd assume he's talking about the Reaper war throughout ME3 and not what happens at the end. You'd be right to think that because it's not about the ending. Unfortunately more than one popular interpretation of the ending mandated galaxy-wide destruction, from the horrific "relays blow up and kill everyone" to less potent versions such as "galaxy infrastructure destroyed, chaos ensues" which is pretty close to what I thought happened in the OEs.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 29 mai 2013 - 07:42 .

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So... you didn't play the ME3 demo? Or watch any of the trailers showing the Reapers' arrival to Earth?

I didn't play the ME3 demo until this year, because I thought it would give me stuff in Kingdoms of Amalur. But obviously I saw the trailers. Didn't say "the galaxy will be a boring wasteland". It implied something like... we're gonna take back Earth, maybe? Yeah, that turned out well.

The point is, why would you think he was being circumspect so as not to spoil the game, when he in fact spoils it to such a huge degree?

[SpamBot2000]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Unfortunately more than one popular interpretation of the ending mandated galaxy-wide destruction, from the horrific "relays blow up and kill everyone" to less potent versions such as "galaxy infrastructure destroyed, chaos ensues" which is pretty close to what I thought happened in the OEs.

Just so happens that those interpretations were correct. You were right. They changed the endings with the EC. And lied about it, naturally. Called you and everyone else too dumb to get it. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 29 mai 2013 - 07:48 .

[dreamgazer]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Unfortunately more than one popular interpretation of the ending mandated galaxy-wide destruction, from the horrific "relays blow up and kill everyone" to less potent versions such as "galaxy infrastructure destroyed, chaos ensues" which is pretty close to what I thought happened in the OEs.

Just so happens that those interpretations were correct. You were right. They changed the endings with the EC. And lied about it, naturally. Called you and everyone else too dumb to get it. 

[citation needed]

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So... you didn't play the ME3 demo? Or watch any of the trailers showing the Reapers' arrival to Earth?

I didn't play the ME3 demo until this year, because I thought it would give me stuff in Kingdoms of Amalur. But obviously I saw the trailers. Didn't say "the galaxy will be a boring wasteland". It implied something like... we're gonna take back Earth, maybe? Yeah, that turned out well.

The point is, why would you think he was being circumspect so as not to spoil the game, when he in fact spoils it to such a huge degree?

Because he isn't spoiling anything specific like a character's death or the aftermath of a certain character's actions.

Describing the setting of the war is nothing but basic stuff. It's not just any standard war either....that should be obvious enough because they're Reapers.

[CronoDragoon]

SpamBot2000 wrote...
Called you and everyone else too dumb to get it. 

I don't think so. When someone says they need to clarify something, they are saying that previously they were unclear. Their official stance was that the fans interpreted the OEs in ways they had not intended, which isn't about blame, only stating the fact of the matter.

[AlanC9]

Lizardviking wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Maybe they should have saved that jolt to the next ME game after the trilogy?

That's not unreasonable. I don't personally agree, though; I think games should be improved mid-series, if you can do it.

This is not so much about improvement as much as it is just "don't **** up the tone of your story". When your story is a soft sci-fi of a more heroic nature, don't switch gears the last 15 minutes and turn it into some sort weird psuedo-intellectucal thing.

I don't see how the issues are related, unless you're arguing that there are serious restrictions on what a "heroic" story can do. We're still talking about getting out of moral dilemmas, right?

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 mai 2013 - 10:36 .