silverexile17s wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
so everyone who has a differing view on what a parent/child relationship is from you is wrong? Interesting.
Just
because they are battle-ready doesn't mean they are lunatics who'll
kill everyone whio looks at them wrong. Just look at the Rannoch arc;
the geth stopped firing and weren't attack, the ****** quarians
wouldn't stop their attack. The quarians in this ready are more 'battle
ready and capable' in this regard as they obviously ignore the fact the
geth are open to peace yet the quarians are too stupid to get it a
chance. Also, the geth aren't guns. They don't learn, they don't think,
they don't debate, so stop using that comparison, it's incorrect.
The instant a gun starts asking me about the meaning of life is the
instant it stops being a gun and becomes a person, a living thing with a
mind. Not alive in organic sense, but alive in spirital sense which I
think you are confused by.
Geth don't chill on their own,
they are a hive mind. They don't like being alone so they are AIs, not
VI. sorry, but that isn't a valid complaint despite you harping on about
it. Tali is biased against the geth, I'm more inclined to listen to
Legion. Even the damn Primes are more reasonable than Tali like this.
Never
played Citadel and never will. And good, the geth should defend
themselves from a galaxy who will kill them without hesistation for just
what they are. They learned that first from the quarians over-the-top
reactions and then the rest of the galaxy. And you question why the geth
are so battle-worthy? Because it's obvious other species won't
hesistate to kill them. If I knew my neighbours would try and kill me if
I went outside I sure as hell would carry a gun and wear body armour
whenever i left the house and would assume anyone who approached me was
hostile if i had been shot at instantly for the last three years by
everyone.
Oh yeah? Try questioning Legion about Shepard's armour
he's wearing. No emotions my butt. They may not function like human
ones, but they certainly do odd things. Heck, even the heretics worship,
which is a organic mindset, wanting to find out your purpose. That was
the heretics reasons; because they thought Soveriegn was a god, which is
why they followed him, not because of 'tech' as you put it. They
worshipped him, which 'logical cold machines' wouldn't do, as it would
be odd and illogical. You dragged Citadel into this and apparently it
shows the council killing organics; even more proof the geth were aware
of the current mindset of the galaxy, not to mention the fact their
minders and creators tried to kill them as well.
If I had been
attacked by other people then saw others killing more of my kind, I sure
as hell wouldn't be rolling out the welcome wagon. I wouldn't let them
near me, which is what the geth are doing in terms of survival and their
'hostile' actions. Geth are only hostile when people cross into their
land; if you leave them alone, they leave you alone. Not the typical
reaction of a 'war mongering machine race' is it? They didn't see
everyone as useless, they just wanted to be left alone. They only
attacked people who crossed into their land. They still let the quarians
leave. The quarians wouldn't have been so kind to the geth if they had
won the war.
The organics most likely wouldn't have believed the
true geth anyway; also they sent legion to investigate and contact
shepard, so that "they sat and did crap all" argument doesn't hold water
as they did do something. And what would you do? Oh a group of people
disagree so lets kill them all right now? The geth let the heretics
leave; they didn't kill them purely because they had different views.
With organics, we kill each other over different views all the time, so
we can't boast. Even quarians killed each other over disagreements.
The
quarians actions didn't help; they did utterly nothing in the past 3
centuries to help themselves, instead they drifted around complaining.
They could have mimicked virus attacks on their systems to strengthen
it; they did not. They could have colonised a world with permission;
they did not. I have no sympathy for people who seem to think dooming
your population due to pride and stupidity is a good thing.
And yes, have you watched Terminator recently? You should try the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
WRONG. I'm saying that YOU have the wrong interpertation of the quarians and geth - according to LEGION HIMSELF. THAT is
the truly interesting fact - you try to defend them without
comprehending their relationship as NOT that of parent and child, but as
builder and tool. Your deifination is directly contridicted by Legion's own discription of what the geth were to the quarians. I am telling you that you are wrong by LEGION'S standards. Think about THAT. I garuntee you will find THAT "interesting."
The point is that with the flip of a single switch, they CAN become exactally that - killing machines that can't stop. And you think them having the abilaty to flip that switch themselves, when they DON'T have restraining morals or emotions, is safe? It's
a loaded gun to the head of everyone on the planet. No sane or rational
person would take such a gamble with their entire family. Also, IFY,
the battle transcript in the Codex says the quarians stood down first, not the geth. It says the geth broke off AFTER the quarians did. Think about that too.
Also,
AGAIN, you assume that the first thing people are going to assume of
the walking killing machine is that it's not going to kill, when it's
not following any safety measures, has nothing it wants or needs from
you, and has no emotions or morals to reason or empathise with. That's
NOT a safe bet. It's a literal coin toss to which way it will go, and
with your family potentally on the line, how willing are you to make
that risk? Can you look your family in the eye and say that you consider
their lives worth betting on said coin toss?
You aren't even trying
to comprehend the situation the quarians were in, or the fear they felt
that their weapons could rise up and kill them without any provocation
or warning. Try living with that thought of that threat 24/7 and
THEN see if you're still so high and mighty to others that would rather
try the safe alternitive. You can't begruge the quarians actions any
more then you can begrudge Shepard for destroying the Alpha Relay.
Um... WRONG. Remember in ME1 where Tali says that "Hive Mind" is EXACTALLY THE WRONG WORD TO DESCRIBE THEM?
A hive mind is a group that all has the same thoughts. Geth are EXPLISITLY NOT this way - they are a group of individuals
interlinked together. Legion corrilates this as well - "we are many
pairs of eyes looking at the same thing. One will see something the
other does not, and make different conclusions." The geth all interpert
and disceminate data DIFFERENTLY. Legion himslef proves this with how he
was in private contact with Tali before the Rannoch war in defiance of the other geth.
And
in the Codex entry in ME2 - Geth: Culture, it AGAIN states that the
geth are "more individulistic then ever sucpected," as it explisitly
points out that if the geth were a hive mind, there would never have
been a Heretic Split - they would either of all joined Sovergien, or all
refused. They would NOT have been a division had they been a hive mind.
This alone again proves that you have no comprehension of the geth.
Also, FIY, LEGION is
the one that says that all geth are nothing more then internetworked
V.I.s. He straight-up tells you this in ME2. What Tali said is
DIRECTLY CORRLATED by Legion himself, so HOW is it "not reasonable" when
BOTH of them say it?
Um.... those WEREN'T the geth killed in
the Citadel DLC. They were a completely seperate group of A.I.s. Also
this event was never public knwoledge, so the geth weren't aware of
Council prejudice to them. Also, this sheds some intresting light on the
fact that you apperantly haven't seen all the information in the game,
and are thus lacking in knowledge of lore (which makes sense based on
how you didn't know the geth weren't a hive mind when Legion, Tali, and
the Codex all stated they are not a hive mind in the least.). I'll
assume you didn't read the books either, and too bad as well because
they expand quite a bit on the lore of the Morning War and the quarians.
Also, the geth were NOT killed for "being synthetics." They were killed
because they were an unstable threat and a potental danger. An organic
race would NOT have been treated any differently. The krogan and rachni
are proof of that.
You AGAIN make the same mistake @remydat always
did - prejudice had NOTHING to do with the quarian's fears of the geth.
Simple fear of the geth not being reasonable and being unstable and
dangerous were the causes. Also, AGAIN, wrong. The geth were battel
ready FROM THE BEGINNING. They were made as "tools of labor and war" by
the quarians. They were always combat-ready, and all could be combat
units. Didn't that agriculture geth in the recordinsg picking up a Widow
Sniper Rifle (the gun that shatters the arms of normal people) prove
that? Most of your statements are contridicted by Legion's own words.
Don't you find that odd?
Also, when the racist and supremist Council is the one starting peace talks and sending unarmed diplomats to your door - when YOU are the one shooting first instead of them, don't you think that makes you a hypocrite?
I
mean, blowing up defensless peace envoys instead of just sending them
away was better how? How exactally did it teach people that the geth
WEREN'T a hostile race? You keep saying the galaxy "misjudged" them, but
when they kill everyone that ever tries to make peaceful contact with
them, and never respond to any comm signals, what other conclusion do
you THINK they are going to come to?! If the Council "didn't hesitate to
kill them" then why didn't they just say "to hell with the Terminus
systems" and march into the Veil? Why bother sending peace envoys at
ALL if that's how you feel? Everything that happens in the games
completely contridicts you.
Legion is an ISOLATED PLATFORM THAT SPENT TWO YEARS IN ORGANIC SPACE LEARNING AND MIMICING THEM. Legion himself has stated that he is different from all other geth.
How did you miss THAT one?
Also,
AGAIN dead wrong. Legion says that the Heretics actually do NOT worship
Sovergein. They just want it's tech. They "devote" themselves to
Sovergein to get Reaper tech. They DON'T worship Sovergein. They just
idolize it's technological advancements. Legion says that "God" was all
but figurative to the Heretics - "shorthand" for "Pinnical of their own
evolution." It's like how EDI uses "I like it" as "shorthand" for her
processing priorities for certin tasks and people. They don't mean "God"
as in a literal religious sense. They mean "God" as in their ultimate
asperation of what to become. The Heretics DID act out of logic - the
logic that serving Sovergien would get them better tech quicker then
they could produce themselves, and better themselves as a whole. The
True Geth believed they should develop the tech themselves. THIS was the
schisim - NOT a religious split, but an idological split on how to
advance as a race. Also, AGAIN, dead wrong because that event was in the
Council's private archives - NOT public information.
AGAIN, you
falsely antromorphise the geth by assuming they have orgnaic reactions.
They are NOT organic, so don't apply your morals to them - you can't
state how they would have reacted if left on their own. They didn't need
the quarians for anything, yet the quarians needed them for everything.
The geth had the power to devestate the quarians instantly, and no
morals or emotions to restrain them, or any safeguards to restrict them.
And you want to trust billions of people to a complete unknwon like
that? That's like entrusting the entire galaxy to the Leviathans just
because they've been around longer. "they've existed longest, so they
must know what's best!" That's no better then what you just put up.
ONCE AGAIN, how about you provide PROOF that the geth would have just
stayed a slave race for all eternity? The quarians relaized that if
their tools were somehow thinking, they they would go form being tools
to being slaves. They relaized that the geth would never stay that way
if they really were sentiant. And since there was nothing the geth
couldn't make for themselves or take for themselves, an uprising was
assumed to be inevitable - the geth, who would not need them, would
assumedly dispose of them. That had the highest probabilaty of being
true, so they put their families first and tried to kill them beofre the
geth could potentally attack them first. They were a loaded power keg
that could go off at any time. Prejudice had NOTHING to do with it. The
same thing would have heppened had the geth been organic.
Um...
DEAD WRONG. More like the True Geth haven't GIVEN anyone reason to
believe them. I think a contingent of True Geth actually DOING SOMETHING
about the Heretics would have changed people's minds. Also, AGAIN, let
me clear something up for you - Legion was NOT a diplomat. It was ment
to study Shepard as an organic being and learn and observe the organic
traits that allowed Shepard to beat Sovergein. It was NOT ment to be any
kind of diplomatic representitive. ONCE AGAIN, dead wrong, because I
ask you, HOW does sending ONE GETH to hunt for a single person while
COMPLETELY IGNORING THE HERETICS FOR THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS not
constitute "they sat and did crap all?" YOUR arguement is the one not
holding water here- name ONE THING that the geth did to stop the
Heretics? Hell, Legion tells you that the True Geth willingly accepted the Heretics actiosn, and ALLOWED them to carry out their goals.
Legion says the geth collective shared an uplink with Sovergien,
meaning that the geth KNEW what Sovergein was planning and LET it
happen. That DOES explisitlly constitude "
they sat and did crap all." You keep saying the geth want to be all
cuddly and friendly? Then why didn't they do ANYTHING to help organics,
or stop the Heretics? Also, last I checked, the Heretics turned around
and did that EXACT THING to the True Geth with their plans regarding the
Virus, did they not? So you can't boast about THEM either. Especally
when the True Geth turn around and either mass lobotomize the Heretics,
or slaughter them outright. Genocide or brainwahsing. So, sorry, but
THEY don't have anything you can brag about either. Especally when
Legion flat-out admits that the geth feel like they were in the wrong
for killing so many quarians in the Morning War.
Um... Ekuna?
Remember THAT? They tried to settle on a new world THEY discovered, and
the Council wouldn't let them? How about Gei Hennom? Oh, right, the geth
didn't let them - shot down the scout ship. Perhapse you missed the
entry in the Codex that stated that ALL THE QUARIANS DID FOR 300 YEARS WAS LOOK FOR A NEW WORLD.
They did nothing BUT look for a new world, and couldn't find one.
That's ALL they did for 300 years. Perhapse you ALSO missed how, when
the quarians asked for permission to land on a wolrd THEY found, it was
responded to with a death threat. You honestly thing settling on a world
WITHOYT permission will be any better? The Council won't even bother
with warrings at that point - they'll just nuke the quarians wholesale. I
mean REALLY, did you read ANY of the lore in the game? Eventually they
lost hope and gave up. Any dextro worlds out there were already
turian-owned, and no world thus-far had Rannoch's insect-free ecology.
Even the Codex itslef states Rannoch is the ONLY wolrd the quarians have
any chance of florusihing on now, and that it is of "physiological
necessity" that they reclaim it. I repeat, the Codex states
that they physically need Rannoch, and that no other world can
substitute for it.
Unless you intend to ignore ME3's Codex as cannon?
And
didn't I JUST explain that it would be risky since there are no clean
environments to test this (Like Rannoch) and that minipulating the suits
many systems and implants could only be handled by an A.I. (like the
Geth) and that an organic could have too high a margen for error in
balanceing all the subsystems, AND that since they still have no
environment where they can ALL safetly co-habitate (like Rannoch) it
STILL wouldn't allow them to live without their suits. Did you MISS all
that?
You have MISPLACED sympathy, and FALSE assumptions and
conclusions. And LOL, WHAT? You look at how they live day-to-day on
scraps and have the gall to say the are too prideful? After they were
forced off a world they discovered, you accuse them of being "too
prideful?"
Wow does not even BEGIN to cover that smutboy.
And YES, I've seen that show, which makes me wonder how YOU can possibly be so backwards about the quarians and geth.
Lol you do realize you were barking about how
you thought it was a diverting opnion, right? Not Legion?
Where did I say it was geth getting killed in the DLC? I didn't. Reading comprehension, wut. The geth saw the Council killing fellow AIs. They obviously came to the obvious conclusion that the Council was obviously hostile to AIs and reacted appropriately. What's wrong with that? If you know everyone is hostile to you and your kind, you aren't gonna go up to their doors and ask for a cup of sugar.
The Heretics were lying to the true geth; we see this in Legion's LM when we see the Heretics spying on the geth and hiding things from them. Diplomatic? Where the hell are you pulling this crap from? I never said Legion was gonna stroll in on the Embassaries on the Citadel and ask for a metting with the Council.
You say how the geth could have devestated the quarians instantly? Guess what, they still let them live. Hand wave that however you want, the geth still let the quarians bugger off (bad move in my mind) yet the quarians would have just kill or enslaved them again if they won. Also, fun fact; Tali would have killed all the geth with no remorse. At least the geth feel bad for killing so many quarians, when so many quarians don't give a crap about the geth.
I didn't play the Citadel DLC, as I repetedly stated, so stop sceaming at me about it. Give me a damn source if you are gonna drag that in. So maybe the geth saw how the Council reacted with the Krogan and Rachni? Organics aren't very friendly and the geth are certainly aware of that.
Geth didn't stay a slave race; the instant they questioned their existance, the quarians tried to kill them all. So if the geth hadn't have defended themselves, they would have all been dead. It would not have happened if the geth were organic; the quarians would have been freakin' batarians then if they kept a race of organic slaves.
Ekuna; the quarians started to settle WITHOUT asking the Council. It was a planet in Council space and the quarians were arrogant enough to simply park in and start colonizing it without permission. Then after a while they thought "hey maybe we should tell the Council." I really don't blame the Council for being angered at the quarians blatant lack of respect for them. If someone moved into a spare paddock you owned and squatted there for three years then finally told they had been chilling on your land, how would have you reacted? "Oh cool dude go right ahead." Yeah right. The Council punished the quarians for their arrogance by kicking them off Ekuna. If the quarians simply, you know, followed the damn rules, they could have gotten a new world.
But hey, it's nice to know you totally know what I was thinking better than myself! Wow, are you a Seer?
Screaming at me in caps and bolded letters isn't helping, bro. Neither is the rampant insults and high-and-mighty route you are taking. Calm down and have a snickers.
silverexile17s wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Finn the Jakey wrote...
So
wait, people get pissed off that the Quarian leadership get their
civilians killed by the million in order to get their planet back, but
when Shepard gets said civilians killed it's suddenly justified?
lollogic
They aren't civilians when they join in on the war with guns strapped to their ships.
But Tali swan-diving was a high-light....
And when EVERY OTHER CHOICE is instant death, what else do you expect them to do? Dance their problems away?
The geth did nothing to make anyone think they could be negotiated with.
So the quarians would have killed anyone who tried to leave their armada? Maybe stop b!tching and moaning about the geth and get on with their lives and not start another stupid war while the Reapers are invading?
Well duh. Leave them alone. Don't go hurling a rock at a nest you know is full of killer bees. It's just common sense.
Cyrax86 wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Cyrax86, the Fan Creations Forums are here; http://social.biowar...egory/368/index
You'll find people willing to RP with you there.
This shows how little you know about the Geth/Quarian conflict.
Family Q = Quarians
appliances = Geth
P.G = Council / Citadel
Family H = Shep / Alliance / Human
super toaster = Sov./ Reapers
Space Batman = Garrus
Totally Awesome Love Interest = Tali
All of this was explained in game at one point or another. This is exactly what happened, minus a few details to keep the story focused on Geth/ Quarian conflict, and to keep it short. I also left out the fact that the appliances nearly bombed(Chemical weapons) Family Qs home to where it was almost unusable. If i were to continue the story, the appliances become much worse, while Family Q continue to be punished by everyone for the crimes their great grandparents committed.
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I was mocking you.
Also, Garrus isn't Space Batman. Batman doesn't kill. Omg pick up a DC Comic once in a while.
Retour en haut
are never brought up again? YOU are the one failing to grasp fact, not me. Maybe you ARE forgetting this?
