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[Solmanian]

Look silver, I'm about to go to bed, so I don't have time to respond to every point in your wall of text. I'll just say that I have read it all, and atleast 50% is your personel "headcannon" and not actual cannon. The quarian attack was in response for the geth attack on the citadel? False. The quarians been planning that war for 300 years. They erased the part of their history that protrayed the founders of the flotilla (the top political and military echelon during the so called "morning war") as mass murderers who performed genocide and murdered their own people, and whose actions doomed their species. Talli is a nice charecter with an interesting personality; but every time you talk to her about the conflict with the geth, you can plainly hear the indoctrination of the flotila, that she simply parroting the same senseless statement that were drilled into her head at childhood.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

And what I said still rings true - when the hell did he ever say that you (the geth) didn't deserve to exist? Also, let it be known in advance that you threw the first insult in the debate. Just in case you try to pin that on me.

And I will ask again, are you dense.  In the hypothetical, I used myself as the Geth and DS as the Quarians.  It had nothing to do with what I or DS personally thought.  I simply substitued my name for the Geth and DS for the Council/Quarians.  So no, I was not insulting you because your continuing to bring this point up makes it clear that you completely missed the analogy.  Further, your entire first paragrpah to me was condescending.  Let's repeat.

silverexile17s wrote...

Dude, when the hell did he say people like you shouldn't exist? He just said it was pointless fighting because you will never acknowledge his points or ever admit you are wrong on something. Also, you posted first. He put up a comment. You couldn't let it slide. You threw the first punch, because you have shown that you have ignored every single thing ever stated to you, in spite of all the proof that contridicts you. And right now, you aren't providing any counter to his posts.

Also, I believe I just pointed out earlier why your arguement doesn't hold water. You restarted the arguement using info that was proven flawed in previous arguments. That shows him you are never going to learn, or fess up to your mistakes, so he's done fighting with you. End of story. He said he's done, so all you can do is let him bow out.

Bold is condescending.  Second and third bolds are flat out lies.  I posted after 17 pages and did not adress it to anyone.  I did not post first or throw the first punch.  I was responding to the OP and called no one's name.  The rest of the bold are just more inaccurate statements laced with condescending language.  All to the post that was never addressed to you.

So get a grip.  I am free to respond to this thread like anyone else.  I did not respond to you or DS and if you guys decided to respond to posts not addressed to you, claiming I started it is joke.  Then again, like the Quarians you have a tendency to start some sh*t and then play the victim. 

1. Dude, that doesn't refute what I said at all. Not to mention that you are only compounding the fact that you, indeed, are the one that starts throwing out insults.

My POINT was that, once again, he never said anything about the geth not deserving to exist - based on their own merits. He's basing it on their actions, not what race they are - which seems to be the basis for all your arguements. I was fully aware of what you were doing, and stated that you were wrong. Again.
You're going in circles for nothing. I never ever said you were insulting me at all. I understood you're analogy and was pointing out that you completely missed what @DenionSlayer was saying - that he doens't care about race. He cares abou their actions, not their genetics or lack thereof. You are jumping at imaginary shadows.

Also, bold is just how I speak. Would you rather I use caps to highlight the points that you either ignore or refute with incorrect information? So please, don't assume the way I type translates to how I'm speaking. I'm just highlighting the important aspects of the responce - the parts you either ignore repeatedly, or refute using incorrect info that ignores cannon or lore.

Also, I again point out that it used incorrect information that was disproven in previous discussions. You made a comment using headcannon. You threw the first post out. Someone commented. You started the comment chain with a post. That's how it works - it goes back to the person that posted first. Doesn't matter if the were fishing for a responce or not. You posted and got a responce, then you started the debate.

So please, get some manners. I haven't said anything insulting to you here. And In the case of @DenionSlayer, he bowed out of the debate and you tried to hound him, and anyone else from the old debates like @Julia and @Steelcan. The only one blowing things out of proprotion and ranting is yourself, so please get a grip.  Either that, or leave those that don't want to debate with you, like @DenionSlayer or @Julia, alone.

[nos_astra]

shodiswe wrote...
There are no resources in deepspace its very cold, devoid of energy and materials. They woudl have to hybernate like the Reapers, that woudl make it almsot impossible for them to evolve technologicaly or in any other way. It woudl also drain the resources the bring with them.

The problem is energy conservation. 

The geth are largely independent from ressources. That's an estalished fact.

It also has the added bonus of avoiding the Reapers.

Also, what's to say that the next galaxy is empty of life or has life forms that will welcome them? Even if it's a galaxy of Synthetics they might not be interested in primitive waste of resources Geth. It would be a huge leap of faith.
Before the Quarians attack with thier new "spacemagic weapon that tali doens't understand" Geth space msut have seemed like the safest place for a Geth society to thrive in. A Geth paradise.

Yeah, living your life means risking death. Never leave the house.

Hello?

Avoid extinction by quarians. Leave Rannoch. Immediate problem solved. Deal with other problems should they manifest themselves.

Modifié par klarabella, 11 juin 2013 - 07:23 .

[remydat]

Do people really think that a race that is persecuted should just up and leave so the bigots don't have to suffer the indignity of their presence? That they should wander around in space and hope they can find a home and build the infrastructure necessary for their survival before the bigots find them?

Would this argument ever be made if this were not fictional synthetic characters? The Geth do not need to run and hide from the bigots that tried to exterminate them. The bigots need to stop being bigots and learn to live peacefully with people that are different than them. Absence doesn't magically cure people of their bigotry. It just allows them to fabricate more and more reasons to hate people that are different than them.

[shodiswe]

Solmanian wrote...

Look silver, I'm about to go to bed, so I don't have time to respond to every point in your wall of text. I'll just say that I have read it all, and atleast 50% is your personel "headcannon" and not actual cannon. The quarian attack was in response for the geth attack on the citadel? False. The quarians been planning that war for 300 years. They erased the part of their history that protrayed the founders of the flotilla (the top political and military echelon during the so called "morning war") as mass murderers who performed genocide and murdered their own people, and whose actions doomed their species. Talli is a nice charecter with an interesting personality; but every time you talk to her about the conflict with the geth, you can plainly hear the indoctrination of the flotila, that she simply parroting the same senseless statement that were drilled into her head at childhood.

Even in ME1 when I enjoyed killign Geth and thoguht they were mostly mindless killing machines that Saren and Sovereign had somehow manipulated into serving them. I still found Tali's explanation to be extremely reheresed like from a schoolbook or religious text stating an absolute truth for all Quarians to recite.
Even before I meet Legion it did rub me the wrong way, but it wasn't my problem back then. It's not Tali's fault, it's the leaders and their ancestors who made them what they are today.

Hopefully the Quarians will evolve, unless I kill them or Biware decideds to wipe them fromt he galaxy, possibly with the Geth as their story is no longer interesting. Synthetic threat done with. Now lets have some batarian and krogan drugrunners and make an entertaining cop story instead!
Let's clear out the unneeded parts of the MEU.

[shodiswe]

klarabella wrote...

shodiswe wrote...
There are no resources in deepspace its very cold, devoid of energy and materials. They woudl have to hybernate like the Reapers, that woudl make it almsot impossible for them to evolve technologicaly or in any other way. It woudl also drain the resources the bring with them.

The problem is energy conservation. 

The geth are largely independent from ressources. That's an estalished fact.

It also has the added bonus of avoiding the Reapers.

Also, what's to say that the next galaxy is empty of life or has life forms that will welcome them? Even if it's a galaxy of Synthetics they might not be interested in primitive waste of resources Geth. It would be a huge leap of faith.
Before the Quarians attack with thier new "spacemagic weapon that tali doens't understand" Geth space msut have seemed like the safest place for a Geth society to thrive in. A Geth paradise.

Yeah, living your life means risking death. Never leave the house.

Hello?

Avoid extinction by quarians. Leave Rannoch. Immediate problem solved. Deal with other problems should they manifest themselves.

Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 juin 2013 - 07:29 .

[silverexile17s]

Solmanian wrote...

Look silver, I'm about to go to bed, so I don't have time to respond to every point in your wall of text. I'll just say that I have read it all, and atleast 50% is your personel "headcannon" and not actual cannon. The quarian attack was in response for the geth attack on the citadel? False. The quarians been planning that war for 300 years. They erased the part of their history that protrayed the founders of the flotilla (the top political and military echelon during the so called "morning war") as mass murderers who performed genocide and murdered their own people, and whose actions doomed their species. Talli is a nice charecter with an interesting personality; but every time you talk to her about the conflict with the geth, you can plainly hear the indoctrination of the flotila, that she simply parroting the same senseless statement that were drilled into her head at childhood.

No, it isn't. You have misunderstood half of it.

First point - Wrong. 
According to the Codex, and the in-game information, the quarians have been aimlessly drifting for 300 years, spending all that time looking for another world. Ekuna is one example - the quarians discovered it, and the Council forced them off the planet. Why bother looking for a new world at all if "you're planning to take the old one back the entire time?" Hell, in ME2, Gerrel says that the quarians only just now started debating on war.  Gerrel himself says this, as does the Codex which states that the entirety of the past 300 years have been spent on finding a new world.

Second point - Wrong.
The quarians kept historical records of the war. It's even stated in the Codex Entry "Quarians: Religion" that the quarians blaime their own carelesness for the War, in that they let the geth develop to far and didn't notice. The quarians accept their mistakes and aren't afraid to admit they made them. Contrary to what you might have been spoon-fed, they are not spiteful or crafty. They are just vagabonds who are tormented by self-regret. They wouldn't be afraid to admit they were wrong - as shown when they stand down at the end of the Rannoch War. Remember?

And last I checked, the geth taking the Council's "benifet of a doubt" peace envoys and killing them made the quarians look pretty damn accurate in their beliefs. After all, if you watched people give someone the benifit of a doubt, only to see them shot dead on arrival without even a warnning, what are you going to think. It wasn't any "indoctrination" - It was the geth killing the Council's envoys, and later on watching them burn half the galaxy, that made Tali think that way. Can you say anyone that was involved in Eden Prime (Ashley Williams) , Feros, or the Battle of the Citadel isn't justified in hating geth?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 11 juin 2013 - 07:31 .

[shodiswe]

remydat wrote...

Do people really think that a race that is persecuted should just up and leave so the bigots don't have to suffer the indignity of their presence? That they should wander around in space and hope they can find a home and build the infrastructure necessary for their survival before the bigots find them?

Would this argument ever be made if this were not fictional synthetic characters? The Geth do not need to run and hide from the bigots that tried to exterminate them. The bigots need to stop being bigots and learn to live peacefully with people that are different than them. Absence doesn't magically cure people of their bigotry. It just allows them to fabricate more and more reasons to hate people that are different than them.

They only do when it's a really alien species, preferably Synthetics. If they got a somewhat compatible biology then they might prefer to support them if they find their enemy to have a less agreeable exterior.

It's the :   Beautiful people get away with anything deal. In a Xenobiological sense.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 juin 2013 - 07:33 .

[remydat]

shodiswe wrote...

Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

You don't understand.  The Geth don't need stuff like fuel for their ships.  Just like manna fell from heaven to feed the Israelites, fuel will fall from heaven to keep their ships running.

[nos_astra]

remydat wrote...
Do people really think that a race that is persecuted should just up and leave so the bigots don't have to suffer the indignity of their presence? That they should wander around in space and hope they can find a home and build the infrastructure necessary for their survival before the bigots find them?

It's more like that after the persecuted race retaliated and almost wiped out the aggressors asking them to leave in order to avoid further conflict (since they don't need to stay on that planet and have no emotional attachment) is entirely reasonable.

Would this argument ever be made if this were not fictional synthetic characters? The Geth do not need to run and hide from the bigots that tried to exterminate them. The bigots need to stop being bigots and learn to live peacefully with people that are different than them. Absence doesn't magically cure people of their bigotry. It just allows them to fabricate more and more reasons to hate people that are different than them.

attempt to exterminate a synthetic race -> punishable by death ten times over (even if you're just descendents who hold a grudge because yor would-be-victims have been occupying your homeworld ever since)

actually committing genocide -> totally excusable because there were good reasons for the genocide, occupy the homeworld of the people and make sure even their greatgreatgreat-grandchildren pay the price, avoid reconciliation, then act surprised these greatgreatgreat-grandchildren see you as enemies

Modifié par klarabella, 11 juin 2013 - 07:35 .

[nos_astra]

remydat wrote...
You don't understand.  The Geth don't need stuff like fuel for their ships.  Just like manna fell from heaven to feed the Israelites, fuel will fall from heaven to keep their ships running.

Actually, they don't need fuel, at least not that much. Unlike organics who age and need food and such stuff the geth have all the time in the world. Moving through truly empty space doesn't take a lot of fuel if you're ready for it to take a very long time.

All they need is a push in the right direction. That's how empty space works.

[silverexile17s]

remydat wrote...

Do people really think that a race that is persecuted should just up and leave so the bigots don't have to suffer the indignity of their presence? That they should wander around in space and hope they can find a home and build the infrastructure necessary for their survival before the bigots find them?

Would this argument ever be made if this were not fictional synthetic characters? The Geth do not need to run and hide from the bigots that tried to exterminate them. The bigots need to stop being bigots and learn to live peacefully with people that are different than them. Absence doesn't magically cure people of their bigotry. It just allows them to fabricate more and more reasons to hate people that are different than them.

This was never about racism. Never. Not once. It's about these races respecive actions, not their race. The only one bringing up racisim in this debate it you and you alone.
The galaxy is distructful of the geth because the geth killed those unarmed peace envoys. In spite of the quarian's protests, the galaxy gave the geth a benifet of a doubt, and had it tossed right back at them, seemingly proving the quarians right about the geth.

Also, the Heretics did it, didn't they? And did so in, what, months? You expect me to believe that if 7% of the geth could relocate in a few months to a station inbewteen stars, but that the rest of the geth couldn't migrate to an unknown system in 300 years?

And YES - this arguement is being made for organics as well - the krogan. The debate would be no different if the geth were organics! Because it's NOT race that they are being judged on - it's their actions.
And if the geth didn't want people to distrust them, why didn't the just say "leave us alone" instead of waiting for people to come and talk to them, and then shoot them dead when they tired?? The only one ranting about bigotry is you. You are jumping at shadows, dude. The only one fabricating things is you.

[shodiswe]

klarabella wrote...

remydat wrote...
Do people really think that a race that is persecuted should just up and leave so the bigots don't have to suffer the indignity of their presence? That they should wander around in space and hope they can find a home and build the infrastructure necessary for their survival before the bigots find them?

It's more like that after the persecuted race retaliated and almost wiped out the aggressors asking them to leave in order to avoid further conflict (since they don't need to stay on that planet and have no emotional attachment) is entirely reasonable.

Would this argument ever be made if this were not fictional synthetic characters? The Geth do not need to run and hide from the bigots that tried to exterminate them. The bigots need to stop being bigots and learn to live peacefully with people that are different than them. Absence doesn't magically cure people of their bigotry. It just allows them to fabricate more and more reasons to hate people that are different than them.

attempt to exterminate a synthetic race -> punishable by death ten times over (even if you're just descendents who hold a grudge because yor would-be-victims have been occupying your homeworld ever since)

actually committing genocide -> totally excusable because there were good reasons for the genocide, occupy the homeworld of the people and make sure even their greatgreatgreat-grandchildren pay the price, avoid reconciliation, then act surprised these greatgreatgreat-grandchildren see you as enemies

The Quarians are poor loosers. They should be grateful they still exist as a species after what they did. They have lsot their claim to Rannoch long ago. If the Geth welcome them back then it's another matter entierly.
The current Quarians has no Claim to Rannoch sicne their Ancestors screwd them of their herritance, once lost, their grandchildren or great great grand children can't claim ownership of it.

That would be like trying to reclaim your great great great grandfathers house that he lost due to incuring a lot of debts and was forced to sell his family home that had been their for countless generations.
Stupidity of past generations doesn't give you any special rights.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 juin 2013 - 07:43 .

[nos_astra]

shodiswe wrote...
Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

True, but that's what they are synthtics for. Solve the probem.

Moving around in the galaxy, collecting ressources in uncharted territory is much safer than sitting on and around Rannoch.

The quarians might spot you (with a lot of time and even more luck). They will surely spot you on Rannoch,.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

If they fear extinction that's a small price to pay if what is to gained is peace (which they claim they want) and safety.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Unlikely. The geth have modern ships and ressources. The quarians have not. Not to mention once the geth leave the system they will be very hard to track down ... actually, it's bordering on impossible. Established lore. Really, it is.

Modifié par klarabella, 11 juin 2013 - 07:41 .

[nos_astra]

shodiswe wrote...
The Quarians are poor loosers. They should be grateful they still exist as a species after what they did. They have lsot their claim to Rannoch long ago. If the Geth welcome them back then it's another matter entierly.

What they did? They did NOTHING!

They attempted to do.

Unlike the geth WHO DID!

Honestly, your remarks get scarier by the minute. Reminds me strongly of THE WAVE.

Modifié par klarabella, 11 juin 2013 - 07:46 .

[shodiswe]

klarabella wrote...

shodiswe wrote...
Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

True, but that's what they are synthtics for. Solve the probem.

Moving around in the galaxy, collecting ressources in uncharted territory is much safer than sitting on and around Rannoch.

The quarians might spot you (with a lot of time and even more luck). They will surely spot you on Rannoch,.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

If they fear extinction that's a small price to pay if what is to gained is peace (which they claim they want) and safety.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Unlikely. The geth have modern ships and ressources. The quarians have not. Not to mention once the geth leave the system they will be very hard to track down ... actually, it's bordering on impossible. Established lore. Really, it is.

A fleet containing Billions of Geth would be a lot easier to track than a lonely ship flying off into deepspace like in Ascention. (least assuming they are staying in the Galaxy, if they choose to die in the cold of insterstelar space between the galaxies then  doubt the Quarians woudl be stupid enough to try and follow them given that it's pretty much a deathsentence to try that.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 juin 2013 - 07:47 .

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

klarabella wrote...

shodiswe wrote...
There are no resources in deepspace its very cold, devoid of energy and materials. They woudl have to hybernate like the Reapers, that woudl make it almsot impossible for them to evolve technologicaly or in any other way. It woudl also drain the resources the bring with them.

The problem is energy conservation. 

The geth are largely independent from ressources. That's an estalished fact.

It also has the added bonus of avoiding the Reapers.

Also, what's to say that the next galaxy is empty of life or has life forms that will welcome them? Even if it's a galaxy of Synthetics they might not be interested in primitive waste of resources Geth. It would be a huge leap of faith.
Before the Quarians attack with thier new "spacemagic weapon that tali doens't understand" Geth space msut have seemed like the safest place for a Geth society to thrive in. A Geth paradise.

Yeah, living your life means risking death. Never leave the house.

Hello?

Avoid extinction by quarians. Leave Rannoch. Immediate problem solved. Deal with other problems should they manifest themselves.

Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Then how are the geth in the Heretic station functioning?
They've lasted on their own for 300 years, and according to Legion, did so without touching a single scrap of the resources on the quarian worlds. Explain that. Since they don't have a mining infrastrcuture since they don'yt mine the quarian worlds, and can set up asteroid mining "quickly and efficantly," they can literally move anywhere. There IS no restraints. Besides, the True Geth somehow moved entire colonies to the Armstrong Cluster. Why couldn't they do the same for an uncharted, isolated world or system in the Terminus?

And AGAIN, no they don't. The quarians only want Rannoch back. They only decide to kill the geth if they became a major threat - which they did after siding with the Reapers. And since the quarians thought the geth were Reaper allies for three years.... well, do the math. They wouldn't have any reason to feel guilty about a race that everyone witnessed attack the Citadel in an act of genocide. If the True Geth had even tried to pleade innocence of the Heretic;s actions...... but no. They let people think they were monsters.
So please, drop the hate tangent - hatred had nothing to do with the war. survival did. Plain and simple. It was no more "hate driven" then the geth siding with the Reapers was. They are in the same boat on that, so please, drop the double-standard.

[remydat]

klarabella

The winners in a war that someone else started don't just leave. Expecting the Geth who won a war of extinction to just up and leave when they have no guarantee the Quarians or organics will leave them be and when they have no guarantee they will find planets with the resources they need to survive is ridiculous.

The Quarians have no claim to Rannoch any more than I have a claim to whatever country my ancestors lived in 300 years ago.

And who said genocide is excusable? People don't excuse the geth for their actions. They simply acknowledge that a) the Quarians as their creators never taught them morals and the victims of the alleged genocide were perfectly started the conflict with the aim of doing to the Geth what the Geth did to them. Except, the Geth stopped short of total extinction while very indication is that the Quarians would not have.

If their great grandchildren wanted to demonstrate they were different then they should have accepted Tali's offer for peace when it was presented to them. Tali flat out admits, they couldn't pass up the chance to go exterminate Geth once Xen's weapon was made. No one forced them to vote against peace. That was their choice.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dunabar wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

Deja Vu.

Yep. It's back.

You know, Remy gives me the incentive to get the "Peace" option and cap Legion anyway just for lolz. 560 war assets? Not to worry. That can always be made up editing the save game. Let's see, Daro'Xen... 2500 war assets. There, now we don't have to worry.

Lol been there, done that, bought the shirt, and returned it for a hat. I didn't find Legion worth the bullets and actually replayed my ME2 playthrough just to make sure Legion didn't make it to ME3.

This is my process from ME2 to ME3

-ME2-
-Clear Tali of all charges (Paragon) / encourage the war
-Treat Legion like crap
-Save Legion's loyalty mission for last - Destroy the Heretics
-Side with Tali
-Don't talk with Legion, let it be 'upset' up to the Suicide mission.
-Suicide mission: Let Legion be killed off wherever you see fit. (I make it run the vent and go "boom, headshot" when it does get hit by the Collector. Though I'm debating letting the seeker swarms finish it off instead)
-Blow up the collector base, give that thing zero chance of returning.
-Cerberus coffin: I headcanon that it's a empty coffin

-ME3-
Dreadnought - Tell Han'Gerrel to Counter-attack
-Dreadnought ending - Inform Han'Gerrel to give you a heads up next time
-Talk with Joker - Select the bottom option (It's actually NOWHERE near renegade)
-Save Korris
-Geth VI - Shala'Raan - Shepard talk- Destroy the Geth. Geth VI starts to talk back, renegade option to inform it where the airlock is.
-Shut down server
-Send the Geth to the scrapyard after putting three shots into the Geth V.I
-Enjoy the show =D
-Enjoy listening to only two members of your crew possibly giving a hang about the Geth being gone. I say possibly two only because Liara didn't seem torn up or overjoyed about it.
-Allers interview (Quarians) - Either option works great, but I actually find the renegade option more epic.
-Destroy the Reapers later on.

I always smile once this is all said and done with my canon Paragade Shepard (Earthborn/Sole survivor).

heh heh.... Earthborn/Ruthless....  I'm an Adept @ 90% renegade as a Nemesis. Ouch.

ME2 did the above
Reminded EDI "You're equipment."
Turned over Rael's files. Got Tali off that way. Encouraged the war. (could have used other options... just wanted to encourage things)
Oh, but I didn't recruit Tali or Legion until AFTER the Suicide Mission.
Side with Tali anyway.
I didn't need them -- I had Zaeed and Kasumi.

ME3 (plans....)
Discourage Joker's relationship
Side with Gerrel
Side with Xen
Shoot Legion
Renegade on EDI after the mission.
Ending? well the ending totally sucks because I don't buy Starbrat's BS.

:innocent:

[shodiswe]

silverexile17s wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

klarabella wrote...

shodiswe wrote...
There are no resources in deepspace its very cold, devoid of energy and materials. They woudl have to hybernate like the Reapers, that woudl make it almsot impossible for them to evolve technologicaly or in any other way. It woudl also drain the resources the bring with them.

The problem is energy conservation. 

The geth are largely independent from ressources. That's an estalished fact.

It also has the added bonus of avoiding the Reapers.

Also, what's to say that the next galaxy is empty of life or has life forms that will welcome them? Even if it's a galaxy of Synthetics they might not be interested in primitive waste of resources Geth. It would be a huge leap of faith.
Before the Quarians attack with thier new "spacemagic weapon that tali doens't understand" Geth space msut have seemed like the safest place for a Geth society to thrive in. A Geth paradise.

Yeah, living your life means risking death. Never leave the house.

Hello?

Avoid extinction by quarians. Leave Rannoch. Immediate problem solved. Deal with other problems should they manifest themselves.

Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Then how are the geth in the Heretic station functioning?
They've lasted on their own for 300 years, and according to Legion, did so without touching a single scrap of the resources on the quarian worlds. Explain that. Since they don't have a mining infrastrcuture since they don'yt mine the quarian worlds, and can set up asteroid mining "quickly and efficantly," they can literally move anywhere. There IS no restraints. Besides, the True Geth somehow moved entire colonies to the Armstrong Cluster. Why couldn't they do the same for an uncharted, isolated world or system in the Terminus?

And AGAIN, no they don't. The quarians only want Rannoch back. They only decide to kill the geth if they became a major threat - which they did after siding with the Reapers. And since the quarians thought the geth were Reaper allies for three years.... well, do the math. They wouldn't have any reason to feel guilty about a race that everyone witnessed attack the Citadel in an act of genocide. If the True Geth had even tried to pleade innocence of the Heretic;s actions...... but no. They let people think they were monsters.
So please, drop the hate tangent - hatred had nothing to do with the war. survival did. Plain and simple. It was no more "hate driven" then the geth siding with the Reapers was. They are in the same boat on that, so please, drop the double-standard.

They are transporting all their needed energy and resources to the station. They are still in the galaxy. Just in between starsystms, it's not the same thign as the almsot eternal void between galaxies. IT's the difference between a few lightyears and billions of lightyears.

Modifié par shodiswe, 11 juin 2013 - 07:49 .

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

klarabella wrote...

shodiswe wrote...
Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

True, but that's what they are synthtics for. Solve the probem.

Moving around in the galaxy, collecting ressources in uncharted territory is much safer than sitting on and around Rannoch.

The quarians might spot you (with a lot of time and even more luck). They will surely spot you on Rannoch,.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

If they fear extinction that's a small price to pay if what is to gained is peace (which they claim they want) and safety.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Unlikely. The geth have modern ships and ressources. The quarians have not. Not to mention once the geth leave the system they will be very hard to track down ... actually, it's bordering on impossible. Established lore. Really, it is.

A fleet containing Billions of Geth would be a lot easier to track than a lonely ship flying off into deepspace like in Ascention.

And yet, the entire Citadel fleet was blindisided by a geth fleet dropping out of the Realy right in front of them.
And the Heretics moved a station right next to two colonized systems in the Hades Nexus and never were noticed.
Sorry, but in-game evidence undercuts you.

[nos_astra]

shodiswe wrote...
A fleet containing Billions of Geth would be a lot easier to track than a lonely ship flying off into deepspace like in Ascention.

Honey, I don't know why the lore is so hard for you to grasp: There is no way of tracking down a ship when they go FTL. There would be no traces of them. They would just disappear. 

The only risk is that someone at some point will accidentally stumble upon them while trying to further explore the galaxy.

[remydat]

klarabella wrote...

remydat wrote...
You don't understand.  The Geth don't need stuff like fuel for their ships.  Just like manna fell from heaven to feed the Israelites, fuel will fall from heaven to keep their ships running.

Actually, they don't need fuel, at least not that much. Unlike organics who age and need food and such stuff the geth have all the time in the world. Moving through truly empty space doesn't take a lot of fuel if you're ready for it to take a very long time.

All they need is a push in the right direction. That's how empty space works.

Ships don't need fuel in the MEU?  So they should just float about slowly and hope no organic wants to attack them?  Just so the bigots can have their planet back?

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

We should all play a drinking game. Every time someone writes a post in this thread that's longer than 20 paragraphs, we take a shot.

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

klarabella wrote...

shodiswe wrote...
There are no resources in deepspace its very cold, devoid of energy and materials. They woudl have to hybernate like the Reapers, that woudl make it almsot impossible for them to evolve technologicaly or in any other way. It woudl also drain the resources the bring with them.

The problem is energy conservation. 

The geth are largely independent from ressources. That's an estalished fact.

It also has the added bonus of avoiding the Reapers.

Also, what's to say that the next galaxy is empty of life or has life forms that will welcome them? Even if it's a galaxy of Synthetics they might not be interested in primitive waste of resources Geth. It would be a huge leap of faith.
Before the Quarians attack with thier new "spacemagic weapon that tali doens't understand" Geth space msut have seemed like the safest place for a Geth society to thrive in. A Geth paradise.

Yeah, living your life means risking death. Never leave the house.

Hello?

Avoid extinction by quarians. Leave Rannoch. Immediate problem solved. Deal with other problems should they manifest themselves.

Energy woudl be the big problem. But they still need resources for repairs and maintenance. Even if they can live for a million years if they keep switching out hyraulics fluid and baterfluid and repair/replace failing parts, they still need resources for it.
Even effective recycling won't save all materials and recycling still takes energy and work.

Also leaving geth space will mean they loose all their current mining operations and infrastructure. It would weaken them and make them even more vulnerable nevermind military installations and fortifications.

The Quarians really do want to exterminate the Geth, and if they discover that the Geth are on the run without refuelign depots and limited resources then they would see it as their best chance to wipe out their ancient ancestral enemy.

Then how are the geth in the Heretic station functioning?
They've lasted on their own for 300 years, and according to Legion, did so without touching a single scrap of the resources on the quarian worlds. Explain that. Since they don't have a mining infrastrcuture since they don'yt mine the quarian worlds, and can set up asteroid mining "quickly and efficantly," they can literally move anywhere. There IS no restraints. Besides, the True Geth somehow moved entire colonies to the Armstrong Cluster. Why couldn't they do the same for an uncharted, isolated world or system in the Terminus?

And AGAIN, no they don't. The quarians only want Rannoch back. They only decide to kill the geth if they became a major threat - which they did after siding with the Reapers. And since the quarians thought the geth were Reaper allies for three years.... well, do the math. They wouldn't have any reason to feel guilty about a race that everyone witnessed attack the Citadel in an act of genocide. If the True Geth had even tried to pleade innocence of the Heretic;s actions...... but no. They let people think they were monsters.
So please, drop the hate tangent - hatred had nothing to do with the war. survival did. Plain and simple. It was no more "hate driven" then the geth siding with the Reapers was. They are in the same boat on that, so please, drop the double-standard.

They are transporting all their needed energy and resources to the station. They are still in the galaxy.

No, they aren't. They already did all that - back when Saren first recruted them.
Also, Bring Mordin to the sation, and he notes that the station get's all it's power from converters that get energy from cosmic radiation. They have all the power they need.