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[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Who needs an excuse to kill the Dextros? They've been trying to kill you since the first game too.

What? When? Are you even playing the same game?

Saren Atrius.  After all, if it's acceptable to blame all Geth for the actions of a few, it's certainly equally acceptable to blame all dextros for the actions of one.

Wonderful logic you got there mate. Not just blaming Turians for the actions of one person, you even found a way(Dextros) to you can include the Quarians in the blamed group.

Why don't you pick Refusal and call it a day since you can include everyone by exchanging 'Dextros' with 'organics' just as easy?

P.s : Heretics are not a small group and they did their actions with the approval of the rest of the Geth. So it's their fault as well. Plus the rest of the Geth have done enough damage even without considering the Heretics. But of course all that can be excused since those were done by the cool Geth, right?

Modifié par S.A.K, 13 juin 2013 - 02:38 .

[remydat]

Finn

The Geth are machines. There is inherently a hurdle one has to overcome because a large portion of people will refuse to identify with them because they are not organic. That is precisely why the protagonist of the game is human ie so we can identify with him or her.

Its also the main reason there is even a debate. If the Geth were organic then few would sympathise with thw Quarians. We can have a debate about this because few see killing a machine as the same as killing a fleshy organic.

That is why we are reminded what the Quarians did because otherwise most would instinctively side with the organics especially when the biggest threat in the game is also synthetic. That is balanced by playing up the emotional angle for the Quarians. Given they clearly started this mess the only way you can get people to side with them aside from just cus they are organic is by playing to the emotions of the player and by turning the victims ie the Geth into the villains to lessen the perceived crime the Quarians committed.

So the point I was making is the poster I responded to seemed to be implying things were being manipulated to favor just the Quarians. This is false. Both sides were beneficiaries of manipulation.

And if the Quarians were protrayed as even more douchey it would not matter to me. My decision is based on the crimes committed not who I like more. I have a more legalistic background. You dont decide cases on who is a douche and who isnt. You decide them on who committed the crime and the circumstances that gave rise to the crime. The Quarians were condemned from the moment I learned they instigated a war of extinction against a race they created and failed to teach them anything but war and death. Its you guys that care about who is nice and cuddly and who is a douche when none of that matters from a crime and punishment perspective.

[remydat]

When the Quarians decided to exterminate the Geth where were all the people who disagreed? Citizens are responsible for the actions of their government. Tali and Koris opposed the war just like individual programs in the consensus can vote no. However once the Quarian government voted for war Tali and Koris accepted it just like those programs that vote no accept what the consensus says.

I am reminded of a quote by Dante. The deepest part of hell is reserved for those that remain neutral in the face of a moral crisis. Voting no does not end your responsibility to act. Tali and Koris are condemned for faing to act just as the true Geth are condemned for failing to act against the heretics. You dont get a pass by hiding behind my government told me to gas jews so I gassed jews.

[remydat]

Also consensus does not always equal unanimous.  It can also mean supra majority which in voting means you have to win the vote convincingly.  A lot of times that means 2/3 or 3/4 of the vote.  So while we are never told what that percentage is for the Geth it is not always 100% agreement.  In the game when consensus cannot be reached it is because the programs barely exceed 50% so the minority opinion is large enough that the Geth dont accept the slight majority.  I know of no situation where say 75% of Geth agreed and the Geth concluded that was not a consensus.  Anybody reviewing that vote would call 75% a consensus.

Modifié par remydat, 13 juin 2013 - 03:46 .

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Who needs an excuse to kill the Dextros? They've been trying to kill you since the first game too.

What? When? Are you even playing the same game?

Saren Atrius.  After all, if it's acceptable to blame all Geth for the actions of a few, it's certainly equally acceptable to blame all dextros for the actions of one.

Wonderful logic you got there mate. Not just blaming Turians for the actions of one person, you even found a way(Dextros) to you can include the Quarians in the blamed group.

Why don't you pick Refusal and call it a day since you can include everyone by exchanging 'Dextros' with 'organics' just as easy?

P.s : Heretics are not a small group and they did their actions with the approval of the rest of the Geth. So it's their fault as well. Plus the rest of the Geth have done enough damage even without considering the Heretics. But of course all that can be excused since those were done by the cool Geth, right?

Yeah, amazing how that works.  Set the groups abritrarily and make up false equivalencies and double standards and you can make anybody guilty of anything.  And you know,  it's just as ridiculous when you do it

[remydat]

Phatose

The funny thing is people here have argued it was ok for the Council to kill the citadel AI because they were synthetic like the Geth. The council and organics in the MEU group all synthetics together and deem them a threat but get mad when the Geth group all organics together and deem them a threat and get mad at you for grouping all dextros together.  That is how racism and prejudice work.  You just find a way to group whoever you want to kill as one monolithic group and commence the genocide.

Modifié par remydat, 13 juin 2013 - 03:35 .

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Wonderful logic you got there mate. Not just blaming Turians for the actions of one person, you even found a way(Dextros) to you can include the Quarians in the blamed group.

Why don't you pick Refusal and call it a day since you can include everyone by exchanging 'Dextros' with 'organics' just as easy?

P.s : Heretics are not a small group and they did their actions with the approval of the rest of the Geth. So it's their fault as well. Plus the rest of the Geth have done enough damage even without considering the Heretics. But of course all that can be excused since those were done by the cool Geth, right?

Yeah, amazing how that works.  Set the groups abritrarily and make up false equivalencies and double standards and you can make anybody guilty of anything.  And you know,  it's just as ridiculous when you do it

Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

remydat wrote...

Phatose

The funny thing is people
here have argued it was ok for the Council to kill the citadel AI
because they were synthetic like the Geth. The council and organics in
the MEU group all synthetics together and deem them a threat but get mad
when the Geth group all organics together and deem them a threat and
get mad at you for grouping all dextros together.  That is how racism
and prejudice work.  You just find a way to group whoever you want to
kill as one monolithic group and commence the genocide.

Care to explain how blaming the Quarians for what Seren did makes any sense? That's what Phatose did.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...
Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

Yes, through your abritrary grouping.  You know full well it wasn't all Geth, but a portion of them.  Yet, you cast your blame on all Geth. 

I'm doing the same.  I know it wasn't all Dextros that performed Saren's actions, but the only Dextros who took any action against him were the Turian Councilor, Garrus and Tali.  So, the Dextros, by allowing one of their own to do such, approved and are all guilty.

[remydat]

Sak

Care to explain how the Citadel AI are to blame for what the Geth did?

Phatose was making a point about arbitrarily grouping people together so that you can condemn them for actions comitted by some members of the group. Posters seem to do this all the time witb synthetics so he used an organic example to illustrate how ridiculous it is.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

Yes, through your abritrary grouping.  You know full well it wasn't all Geth, but a portion of them.  Yet, you cast your blame on all Geth. 

I'm doing the same.  I know it wasn't all Dextros that performed Saren's actions, but the only Dextros who took any action against him were the Turian Councilor, Garrus and Tali.  So, the Dextros, by allowing one of their own to do such, approved and are all guilty.

Arbitrary grouping my ass. One turian and he was not allowed to continue. You were given authority to go after him. Phatose and the Geth huggers will do anything to excuse the Geth of all responsibility for Eden Prime, Feros, Noveria, Therum, The Attican Traverse, The Armstrong Cluster, Virmire, Ilos, The Citadel, Other places, and following a madman and Sovereign, and following the reapers a second time, not to mention nearly exterminating the Quarians. They will take this to the extreme.

By the same token, since Sparatus and Tali took action against Saren then all Dextros should be spared. Since no Geth took action against these rogue Geth none should be spared. The difference here is that The True Geth still considered the Heretics as part of them, although they allowed them to leave and go their own way.

[Kel Riever]

Is the theme of Mass Effect called, "No one is responsible for genocide, that's why choose Synthesis?"

Because I find that excusing the Reapers of Genocide, yet being really mad at Shepard for choosing to destroy geth or the quarians entirely hilarious!

[remydat]

Shotgun,

Pretty sure I kill every heretic I came across including killing them instead of rewriting them. Not sure what they have to do with the rest of the Geth. Pretty sure those Citadel AI had nothing to do with the Geth but they were exterminated. Where are your protests on their behalf?

[remydat]

Kel Riever wrote...

Is the theme of Mass Effect called, "No one is responsible for genocide, that's why choose Synthesis?"

Because I find that excusing the Reapers of Genocide, yet being really mad at Shepard for choosing to destroy geth or the quarians entirely hilarious!

Wait who excuses the reapers of genocide?  Or did you mean the Geth?.  If you mean the Geth, they are not excused.  Nor are their creators who taught them how to committ genocide by trying to exterminate them.

[remydat]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

No they are not, did you ask to be spied on by the NSA?
Representative democracy means you choose the leaders to make descisions for you, maybe if the Quarians had all voted to kill the Geth unaminously you might have a point, but the Quarian leadership chose what they thought was best for their people (it wasn't).

Starting a revolt is easier said than done. Are you, or anyone you know protesting against any of the injustices your government might be committing, at home and abroad?  
So not wanting to throw yourself and your family under the tanks = you deserve to die?

The analogy you use implies you were involved in the atrocity, but I'm talking about oridinary people here who are not involved in the action, Dorn'Hazt on Rannoch was a mechanic and a single parent, and was opposed to the war, did he bring this on himself?

And no, 'they started it' is not an acceptiable excuse for committing a crime. You can't justify an atrocity with another atrocity, that's not how justice works.

What exactly should Tali and Koris have done? Kill the entire conclave and admirality board? Then what? Crowned one of them king?

I am not American but if I was then I elected the people that chose to spy on me.  Politics is a sleazy profession precisely because the citizens allow it to be.  We have the power to vote and if we choose to vote for people based on who spent the most campaign money or who bribed me by appealing to my special interests then we are responsible for the outcome.  Of course, that is how we like it.  We like to turn over decision making to others because then when they f**k up, we can blame them and not ourselves.  If my nation bombs other people's villages, cities, and towns and I do nothing then how can I cry when those people retaliate by bombing my villagtes, cities, towns?  The only people who sit there and say one atrocity does not excuse another are the people whose people committed the atrocity first.  Did Americans say one atrocity does not excuse another when after Pearl Harbor they dropped two f**king Atomic bombs on Japan?  Of course f**king not.

What should the Geth programs that voted no do when the rest of the consensus votes yes?  Kill the consensus?  My point Finn is be consistent.  You were trying to condemn all Geth for what the Consensus chooses as if all programs vote yes.  They don't.  If you believe Tali and Koris should do nothing to stop war then you can't hold those programs that voted no accountable for the Geth consensus.  You can't hold the Geth accountable for the Heretics when they explicitly refused to join Sovereign.  If Tali and Koris have no obligation to stop or warn the Geth about the impending Quarian attack then the true Geth have no obligation to stop or warn organics about the impending Quarian attack.

Look you can disagree with me if you want but be consistent.  Apply your logic to both sides equally.  This is where you guys get confused.  I am not excusing the Geth.  I am simply saying if forced to choose I choose the guys who started it.  However, if I had to choose between say the Geth, Quarians, and Elcor then the Geth and Quarians f**king die plain and simple.  My siding with the Geth is only because they are being compared to the Quarians. The only other races I would kill before killing the Geth are the Council races whose racist laws helped create this mess and who showed the extent of their racism by killing the Citidael AI simply because they were synthetic like the Geth.  So if we proceed in order of races who would die if I were forced to choose it would be Asari/Turians/Salarians, Quarians, Geth, everyone else.

Modifié par remydat, 13 juin 2013 - 04:46 .

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

Sak

Care to explain how the Citadel AI are to blame for what the Geth did?

Phatose was making a point about arbitrarily grouping people together so that you can condemn them for actions comitted by some members of the group. Posters seem to do this all the time witb synthetics so he used an organic example to illustrate how ridiculous it is.

When did I blame those AIs for anything? I didn't kill them and I don't approve them being destroyed.

You know the extermination of the Citadel AIs happened at the same year as the MW. Which means they destroyed those AIs so something like the MW wouldn't happen over there. I doubt those AIs would be killed if the Geth weren't commiting genocide at the other side of the galaxy.

Phatose wasn't making a point, he just made a stupid comment. Geth are partially to blame for what the Heretics did and Geth have done plenty of damage themselves. I don't see how that is even remotely equal to blaming Quarians for what Seren did. That is just plain stupid.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

remydat wrote...

Shotgun,

Pretty sure I kill every heretic I came across including killing them instead of rewriting them. Not sure what they have to do with the rest of the Geth. Pretty sure those Citadel AI had nothing to do with the Geth but they were exterminated. Where are your protests on their behalf?

I'm talking about for the previous time by the entire rest of the Geth. They sent Legion. A single Geth platform, to gather information after three years on the Heretics while the Heretics had been gathering information on them for who knows how long? If it weren't for Shepard and company Legion's mission would have failed. A lone platform could not have handled that many Geth without being overwhelmed, nor would Legion have been able to make it to that station.

Where was my protest on behalf of the three diplomats? Uh... Remy, I was not even born, so how could I protest? Use some logic for a change.

The Geth were around, and knew about the Heretics and knew what the "Old Machines" were up to but did nothing.

[S.A.K]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

Yes, through your abritrary grouping.  You know full well it wasn't all Geth, but a portion of them.  Yet, you cast your blame on all Geth. 

I'm doing the same.  I know it wasn't all Dextros that performed Saren's actions, but the only Dextros who took any action against him were the Turian Councilor, Garrus and Tali.  So, the Dextros, by allowing one of their own to do such, approved and are all guilty.

Arbitrary grouping my ass. One turian and he was not allowed to continue. You were given authority to go after him. Phatose and the Geth huggers will do anything to excuse the Geth of all responsibility for Eden Prime, Feros, Noveria, Therum, The Attican Traverse, The Armstrong Cluster, Virmire, Ilos, The Citadel, Other places, and following a madman and Sovereign, and following the reapers a second time, not to mention nearly exterminating the Quarians. They will take this to the extreme.

By the same token, since Sparatus and Tali took action against Saren then all Dextros should be spared. Since no Geth took action against these rogue Geth none should be spared. The difference here is that The True Geth still considered the Heretics as part of them, although they allowed them to leave and go their own way.

That's the part these Geth lovers wants to forget.

[Phatose]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

Yes, through your abritrary grouping.  You know full well it wasn't all Geth, but a portion of them.  Yet, you cast your blame on all Geth. 

I'm doing the same.  I know it wasn't all Dextros that performed Saren's actions, but the only Dextros who took any action against him were the Turian Councilor, Garrus and Tali.  So, the Dextros, by allowing one of their own to do such, approved and are all guilty.

Arbitrary grouping my ass. One turian and he was not allowed to continue. You were given authority to go after him. Phatose and the Geth huggers will do anything to excuse the Geth of all responsibility for Eden Prime, Feros, Noveria, Therum, The Attican Traverse, The Armstrong Cluster, Virmire, Ilos, The Citadel, Other places, and following a madman and Sovereign, and following the reapers a second time, not to mention nearly exterminating the Quarians. They will take this to the extreme.

By the same token, since Sparatus and Tali took action against Saren then all Dextros should be spared. Since no Geth took action against these rogue Geth none should be spared. The difference here is that The True Geth still considered the Heretics as part of them, although they allowed them to leave and go their own way.

One, "Not stopping someone doing something about the problem" is not equivalent to "Doing something about the problem".

Two - In case you forgot......They grounded Shepard, took away his ship and in fact DID try to stop him from going after Saren.

Three - ME2, Heretic base, Legion.  So if one individual taking action is enough....well, then the Geth should all be spared as well.

[Kel Riever]

remydat wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Is the theme of Mass Effect called, "No one is responsible for genocide, that's why choose Synthesis?"

Because I find that excusing the Reapers of Genocide, yet being really mad at Shepard for choosing to destroy geth or the quarians entirely hilarious!

Wait who excuses the reapers of genocide?  Or did you mean the Geth?.  If you mean the Geth, they are not excused.  Nor are their creators who taught them how to committ genocide by trying to exterminate them.

Seival and Auld Wulf excuse the Reapers of Genocide, but not Shepard for killing off the geth, so there's two people for you right there.  Whether people excuse the Geth for genocide is not something I am commenting on so much, as I am the hypocrisy of being mad at Shepard killing the Geth (or Quarians for that matter), but giving the Reapers (and the Catalyst for that matter) a total pass for committing mass genocide every 50,000 years since however long they did it for.  I know, 'But the Catalyst realized it made a mistake.'  Did it really?  Is that why you can still pick Destroy? 

Maybe the Catalyst found the perfect excuse all genociders use.  'I was made to do it! I didn't push the button myself!'  

As it applies to Geth or Quarians, personally, I made them make peace.  My Shepard justified it by basically wanting to win the war against the Reapers.  Not because of some moral high ground.  But I don't find that a necessarily compelling arguement needs to be made if you choose one over the other, either.  At least the Rannoch part of ME3 makes more sense than the Catalyst spew.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 13 juin 2013 - 05:21 .

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

Yes, through your abritrary grouping.  You know full well it wasn't all Geth, but a portion of them.  Yet, you cast your blame on all Geth. 

I'm doing the same.  I know it wasn't all Dextros that performed Saren's actions, but the only Dextros who took any action against him were the Turian Councilor, Garrus and Tali.  So, the Dextros, by allowing one of their own to do such, approved and are all guilty.

Arbitrary grouping my ass. One turian and he was not allowed to continue. You were given authority to go after him. Phatose and the Geth huggers will do anything to excuse the Geth of all responsibility for Eden Prime, Feros, Noveria, Therum, The Attican Traverse, The Armstrong Cluster, Virmire, Ilos, The Citadel, Other places, and following a madman and Sovereign, and following the reapers a second time, not to mention nearly exterminating the Quarians. They will take this to the extreme.

By the same token, since Sparatus and Tali took action against Saren then all Dextros should be spared. Since no Geth took action against these rogue Geth none should be spared. The difference here is that The True Geth still considered the Heretics as part of them, although they allowed them to leave and go their own way.

One, "Not stopping someone doing something about the problem" is not equivalent to "Doing something about the problem".

Two - In case you forgot......They grounded Shepard, took away his ship and in fact DID try to stop him from going after Saren.

Three - ME2, Heretic base, Legion.  So if one individual taking action is enough....well, then the Geth should all be spared as well.

Well I spare the Geth as well because I always make peace on Rannoch. But I cannot spare the Reapers after the genocide of trillions. So I have to pick the Destroy ending.

Too bad Bioware arbitrary grouped the Geth with Reapers.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

When did I blame those AIs for anything? I didn't kill them and I don't approve them being destroyed.

You know the extermination of the Citadel AIs happened at the same year as the MW. Which means they destroyed those AIs so something like the MW wouldn't happen over there. I doubt those AIs would be killed if the Geth weren't commiting genocide at the other side of the galaxy.

Phatose wasn't making a point, he just made a stupid comment. Geth are partially to blame for what the Heretics did and Geth have done plenty of damage themselves. I don't see how that is even remotely equal to blaming Quarians for what Seren did. That is just plain stupid.

Do you not understand how the bold is a contradiction..  In the first sentence you claim you did not blame those AI for anything but then in the bold you basically accept the Council killing them because of the Geth's crimes. 

Now let's apply the same logic to the Geth.  The Quarians attempted to exterminate them.  The Geth decided to kill not only all Quarians but all organics that enter their space.

Now explain to me why the Geth holding all organics accountable for the crimes of the Quarians is any different than the Council holding the Citadel AI accountable for the crimes of the Geth?

This would be like me saying some Black Africans killed some people in Africa so I will respond by killing all Black Americans to prevent it from happening in America.  It is bull**** SAK no matter who does it.  What Phatose was trying to show you is why the logic you present in the bold is bull**** by applying it to organics because you still fail to understand the bull**** inherent in what the Council did. 

In one breath you say it is wrong and then right after spend an entire paragraph justifying it.

Modifié par remydat, 13 juin 2013 - 05:39 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Phatose wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Uh did I blame Geth of anything they didn't do?

Yes, through your abritrary grouping.  You know full well it wasn't all Geth, but a portion of them.  Yet, you cast your blame on all Geth. 

I'm doing the same.  I know it wasn't all Dextros that performed Saren's actions, but the only Dextros who took any action against him were the Turian Councilor, Garrus and Tali.  So, the Dextros, by allowing one of their own to do such, approved and are all guilty.

Arbitrary grouping my ass. One turian and he was not allowed to continue. You were given authority to go after him. Phatose and the Geth huggers will do anything to excuse the Geth of all responsibility for Eden Prime, Feros, Noveria, Therum, The Attican Traverse, The Armstrong Cluster, Virmire, Ilos, The Citadel, Other places, and following a madman and Sovereign, and following the reapers a second time, not to mention nearly exterminating the Quarians. They will take this to the extreme.

By the same token, since Sparatus and Tali took action against Saren then all Dextros should be spared. Since no Geth took action against these rogue Geth none should be spared. The difference here is that The True Geth still considered the Heretics as part of them, although they allowed them to leave and go their own way.

One, "Not stopping someone doing something about the problem" is not equivalent to "Doing something about the problem".

Two - In case you forgot......They grounded Shepard, took away his ship and in fact DID try to stop him from going after Saren.

Three - ME2, Heretic base, Legion.  So if one individual taking action is enough....well, then the Geth should all be spared as well.

Two - No, that was Udina who ordered the Normandy locked down. So all humans should die. "You sold us out, you bastard." said Ashley Williams. Ashley was just awesome in ME1. But Anderson, knocking out Udina cancels that.

Three, Legion would have failed without the help of Shepard and Cerberus. Then Cerberus is a good organization beyond reproach. However, The Illusive Man is a bad man, therefore all members of Cerberus must die. Without Shepard and Cerberus, Legion would have been stuck on the derelict Reaper. After being rescued and reactivated, without Shepard and Tali (whom I took on the mission, therefore that is canon by arbitrary grouping), Legion would have failed in his mission. Therefore all organics, including the Dextros, and especially all Quarians should be spared. 

Four -- All Batarians should die. That's just a given.

Five -- Ground up people and husks are not dead. Genocide is not murder. It can be reversed if one is willing to make the the right choices. Controlled synthesis is the ideal solution.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 13 juin 2013 - 05:43 .

[Jukaga]

KaiserShep wrote...


I forgot about a lot of this. I haven't had Geth VI since the first time I went through a non-import play of ME3, and the more I think about it, the less I like they way this is executed. If Legion is dead or given to Cerberus, there should be no Geth VI at all. It should just be you disabling the ship and getting the hell out of there and I guess requiring shuttle evac or something. On Rannoch, once the reaper is destroyed, the geth should be automatically destroyed when they stop firing. You got Legion killed anyway, so what difference does it make at this point? And really, it doesn't seem to make sense that Shepard would just let any other geth that isn't Legion on the Normandy. 

I guess this also applies to the Rachni queen. If she's dead, and you destroyed the brood nest in ME1, simply have no rachni mission at all. I don't think the ravagers add so much to it that their absence would matter. 

I fully agree. The Geth VI is al lthe more jarring if you sold Legion to Cerberus. At the very least there should have been an option to space it as Javik suggests. Through my actions or inactions, unbeknowst to me the Heretics would have taken over the consensus in that scenario so there never should have been a Geth VI to begin with, let alone a chance to side with the Geth. Other than being a complete wackjob, what sane Shepard who has been fighting the Geth for the last 4 years, who never met or talked to Legion ever even consider sacrificing the Quarians for their sake.

Bioware should take a chance for MEU and let us live with our decisions and consequences. Don't be afraid to close parts of the game due to your decisions and to open up others due to those same decisions.

[remydat]

Kel Riever wrote...

Seival and Auld Wulf excuse the Reapers of Genocide, but not Shepard for killing off the geth, so there's two people for you right there.  Whether people excuse the Geth for genocide is not something I am commenting on so much, as I am the hypocrisy of being mad at Shepard killing the Geth (or Quarians for that matter), but giving the Reapers (and the Catalyst for that matter) a total pass for committing mass genocide every 50,000 years since however long they did it for.  I know, 'But the Catalyst realized it made a mistake.'  Did it really?  Is that why you can still pick Destroy? 

Maybe the Catalyst found the perfect excuse all genociders use.  'I was made to do it! I didn't push the button myself!'  

As it applies to Geth or Quarians, personally, I made them make peace.  My Shepard justified it by basically wanting to win the war against the Reapers.  Not because of some moral high ground.  But I don't find that a necessarily compelling arguement needs to be made if you choose one over the other, either.  At least the Rannoch part of ME3 makes more sense than the Catalyst spew.

Neither of whom are in this thread.  I thought you were implying people in this thread currently discussing things were giving the Reapers a pass.  I mean I could point out people justify the Quarian genocide by saying the Geth are just machines.  Both sides have their extreme views.

Modifié par remydat, 13 juin 2013 - 05:45 .