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[HellbirdIV]

Hence why I said she's too weak. Pay attention.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Hence why I said she's too weak. Pay attention.

You clearly have no idea about politics.

[HellbirdIV]

Admirals are military leaders, not a democratic parliament.

And didn't I tell you to stop spazzing out whenever someone doesn't sing Tali's praises?

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 18 juillet 2013 - 08:04 .

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Admirals are military leaders, not a democratic parliament.

And didn't I tell you to stop spazzing out whenever someone doesn't sing Tali's praises?

No you didn't, you were just criticizing me for it.

Admirals are both fyi, just like the Conclave.

[silverexile17s]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Hence why I said she's too weak. Pay attention.

If you stop talking to your reflection -- since that's the only thing that can possibly NEED to pay attention.
If you had listened, you would know that Tali was, aside from Koris, the one member of the Admiralty Board that wanted NOTHING to do with a war, and begged them to try for a peace negotiation. Not her fault nither side was willing to listen to her or Legion.
She lost all her anti-geth beliefs in ME2 after becoming Legion's friend. She was even sending private messages to him in secret.
"Pay attention." Because I don't see how any of that fits into your view of Tali.

[silverexile17s]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Admirals are military leaders, not a democratic parliament.

And didn't I tell you to stop spazzing out whenever someone doesn't sing Tali's praises?

And they do NOT have the ultimate athourity in the Migrant Fleet. That power is shared with their senate -- The Conclave. And the Conclave can overrule ANY decision the Admirals make, as long as a majority of quarians vote against it. Since no such thing happened, it means the majority of quarians consented to the War plan -- mostly because they saw no other choice besides Reaper-enforced death in the blackness of space.

[KaiserShep]

A planet doesn't really need to be taken care of. The geth are not a naturally occurring force on that planet anyway.

[shodiswe]

Necanor wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Admirals are military leaders, not a democratic parliament.

And didn't I tell you to stop spazzing out whenever someone doesn't sing Tali's praises?

No you didn't, you were just criticizing me for it.

Admirals are both fyi, just like the Conclave.

Admirals are elected by the other "admirals" who were elected by other admirals dating back to their "evacuation" of Rannoch, after the military lost the war they started with the Geth. They are not people elected.

The admiralty can overrule the conclave when they got other interests and agendas, like going to war. Exterminating other species or comitting crimes for the good of the flotilla.

[S.A.K]

Looks like you guys are at it again.

Modifié par S.A.K, 19 juillet 2013 - 05:12 .

[silverexile17s]

shodiswe wrote...

Necanor wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Admirals are military leaders, not a democratic parliament.

And didn't I tell you to stop spazzing out whenever someone doesn't sing Tali's praises?

No you didn't, you were just criticizing me for it.

Admirals are both fyi, just like the Conclave.

Admirals are elected by the other "admirals" who were elected by other admirals dating back to their "evacuation" of Rannoch, after the military lost the war they started with the Geth. They are not people elected.

The admiralty can overrule the conclave when they got other interests and agendas, like going to war. Exterminating other species or comitting crimes for the good of the flotilla.

Wrong. Admirals are elected by majority vote among the people. Tali tells you in ME2 that many quarians were voting for her to become an Admiral following her trial. Admirals selecting other admirals without the concent of popular vote is forbiddon.  They are 100% elected officals.

AGAIN, wrong. You've got that Completely reversed. The Conclave is the one that can Overule the Admirals, not the other way around. It's explisitly forbiddion by quarian law for the Admirals to force ANYTHING on the Migrant Fleet without the consent of the Conclave, lest the Admirals be deposed on sight. The Conclave can repel any movement the Admirals take if a majority of people vote against it. The majority of quarians did vote to go to war, because they thought they were going to die against the Reapers if they didn't.
And AGAIN, you fail to realize that they went to war because (A), they thought they had no choice but to take back Rannoch, and (, they thought the geth were already Reaper Allies, thanks to the Battle of the Citadel. It had absolutly nothing to do with racisim. When are you ever going to learn that?

[justafan]

silverexile17s wrote...

Wrong[/b]. Admirals are elected by majority vote among the people. Tali tells you in ME2 that many quarians were voting for her to become an Admiral following her trial. Admirals selecting other admirals without the concent of popular vote is forbiddon.  They are 100% elected officals.

AGAIN, wrong. You've got that Completely reversed. The Conclave is the one that can Overule the Admirals, not the other way around. It's explisitly forbiddion by quarian law for the Admirals to force ANYTHING on the Migrant Fleet without the consent of the Conclave, lest the Admirals be deposed on sight. The Conclave can repel any movement the Admirals take if a majority of people vote against it. The majority of quarians did vote to go to war, because they thought they were going to die against the Reapers if they didn't.
And AGAIN, you fail to realize that they went to war because (A), they thought they had no choice but to take back Rannoch, and (, they thought the geth were already Reaper Allies, thanks to the Battle of the Citadel. It had [b]absolutly nothing to do with racisim. When are you ever going to learn that?

You are slightly wrong on the issue of the Conclave vs. Admiralty.  While I'm not too sure about the process for electing admirals, I do not believe it is conclusively stated that they are either elected or apointed (there is evidence for both sides).  However, while the conclave has the power to override the admiralty, the admiralty also has the power to override the conclave, once.  If they vote to do so, by law they are required to step down or be removed from office.  However, a captain can at any time choose to leave the fleet and its laws, and no vote by the admirals can stop him.  It's a pretty fair and democratic system for a species still technically under martial law.

However, since the admirals are still in power from ME2, it is safe to say that decision to go to war with the Geth was made democratically, or at least was not opposed by the conclave, probably for the reasons you have stated.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[justafan]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

But then it's no good for anybody ever!  That's why the Quarians didn't use WMDs to  begin with.

I say we compromise and mass accelorator it from orbit.  All the destruction, none of the radiation, everybody wins! 

[KaiserShep]

justafan wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

But then it's no good for anybody ever!  That's why the Quarians didn't use WMDs to  begin with.

I say we compromise and mass accelorator it from orbit.  All the destruction, none of the radiation, everybody wins! 

Some N2 mines would've come in really handy. 

[HellbirdIV]

justafan wrote...

I say we compromise and mass accelorator it from orbit.  All the destruction, none of the radiation, everybody wins!

Mass accelerator orbital bombardement is just as destructive. Dust clouds, tectonic shock and scattered debris from the impacts. Nuclear weapons detonate in the air, so those are all minimal when you use nukes.

[Redbelle]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

geth understand that they're creators have a few "lose nuts and bolts". so the geth could easily sum it up that the ball is on their court.

geth can live anywhere but quarians can't? or rannoch means much to quarians, maybe?

maybe out of respect for their creators geth should just leave rannoch. find a planet far far away. with more resource maybe?

can't understand why they'd stick to rannoch, or is this some ultimate trolling by the geth?
rannoch is probably mined out anyway?

They did leave Rannoch when they made the Dyson sphere thingeemajig that appears as space debris when you blast over to their system.

Only the platforms remained on Rannoch, which are a minority of their population in the larger scheme of things.

The programs resided in data form in the sphere processors till the Quarians blew it away. Hence the answer to your question is.

They did leave Rannoch. And in time, may have vacated it completely. But circumstances forced them back to it.

[silverexile17s]

justafan wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Wrong[/b]. Admirals are elected by majority vote among the people. Tali tells you in ME2 that many quarians were voting for her to become an Admiral following her trial. Admirals selecting other admirals without the concent of popular vote is forbiddon.  They are 100% elected officals.

AGAIN, wrong. You've got that Completely reversed. The Conclave is the one that can Overule the Admirals, not the other way around. It's explisitly forbiddion by quarian law for the Admirals to force ANYTHING on the Migrant Fleet without the consent of the Conclave, lest the Admirals be deposed on sight. The Conclave can repel any movement the Admirals take if a majority of people vote against it. The majority of quarians did vote to go to war, because they thought they were going to die against the Reapers if they didn't.
And AGAIN, you fail to realize that they went to war because (A), they thought they had no choice but to take back Rannoch, and (, they thought the geth were already Reaper Allies, thanks to the Battle of the Citadel. It had absolutly nothing to do with racisim. When are you ever going to learn that?

You are slightly wrong on the issue of the Conclave vs. Admiralty.  While I'm not too sure about the process for electing admirals, I do not believe it is conclusively stated that they are either elected or apointed (there is evidence for both sides).  However, while the conclave has the power to override the admiralty, the admiralty also has the power to override the conclave, once.  If they vote to do so, by law they are required to step down or be removed from office.  However, a captain can at any time choose to leave the fleet and its laws, and no vote by the admirals can stop him.  It's a pretty fair and democratic system for a species still technically under martial law.

However, since the admirals are still in power from ME2, it is safe to say that decision to go to war with the Geth was made democratically, or at least was not opposed by the conclave, probably for the reasons you have stated.

Well, Tali in ME1, and the Codex Entry "Quarians: Law and Defense" clearly state that any decision the Admirals make can be overturned by the Conclave, and be done so at any time.
But again, my point was that since we know for a fact that the five Admirals would never [b]have reached unanimous consensis on going to war, that doesn't really factor in to @Shodiwse's accusation that Gerrel single-handedly dictated the fleet, does it?

And yes - you stated my point exactally. If the fleet didn't like Gerrel's proposition, they could have left, or overturned the matter since the Admirals weren't in unanimous agreement. Something @Shodiwse doesn't understand -- no one forced the fleet to war. They chose it themselves, for lack of a better alternitive -- Reapers breathing down your neck is a pretty bing incentive to do whatever the hell it takes to survive. And since the geth were publiclly listed as Reaper allies for their actions at the Battle of the Citadel, there wasn't much to breed concern among the quarians for the geth in this war.

[silverexile17s]

Redbelle wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

geth understand that they're creators have a few "lose nuts and bolts". so the geth could easily sum it up that the ball is on their court.

geth can live anywhere but quarians can't? or rannoch means much to quarians, maybe?

maybe out of respect for their creators geth should just leave rannoch. find a planet far far away. with more resource maybe?

can't understand why they'd stick to rannoch, or is this some ultimate trolling by the geth?
rannoch is probably mined out anyway?

They did leave Rannoch when they made the Dyson sphere thingeemajig that appears as space debris when you blast over to their system.

Only the platforms remained on Rannoch, which are a minority of their population in the larger scheme of things.

The programs resided in data form in the sphere processors till the Quarians blew it away. Hence the answer to your question is.

They did leave Rannoch. And in time, may have vacated it completely. But circumstances forced them back to it.

Somehow, being right next to the site of the megastructure, I find that very hard to believe. They would never vacate Rannoch -- not now. It's basically their fortress for the megastructure.