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why dont the geth just leave rannoch?


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David7204 wrote...

No, the geth can at best become a neutral faction that leaves them alone. The quarians aren't interested in the geth helping them before the Reapers invade. The geth would still be, at best, under heavy suspicion by both the quarians and galaxy at large. Elimating the geth gives them certainty that the issue is over and done with.


Well that seems rather stupid on the Quarians part, unless you're describing the mindset of the Quarians (which is admittedly rather stupid). 

Still, even if the Geth are neutral, there is still no need to have a war. They can then just ignore each other.

I'd be surprised that the Quarians are turning away help from someone, and even if they did say they aren't interested, the Geth wouldn't force it. 

It is a state of coexistence. Neither side bothers the other, both have different goals and needs, there's no reason to have conflict.

Yeah the Geth would be under suspect, but I put that as more on paranoia of organics out of fear of what the synthetics will do for being synthetic. The Geth have been shown that they don't give a damn about organics, and I'm going to invoke Occam's Razor? Why would the Geth, if they did believe organics were inefficient and useless, bother with spending resources to eliminate them when they can just as easily ignore them and focus resources on further advancement for themselves? It seems to be more reason based. The synthetics wipe out the organics, but because the organic became paranoid at the increasing rate of advancement for the synthetic. The problem seems to lie with the organic crowd.

I can't really argue with the last statement. I may not agree with it, but it is closure to the problem.

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That's not stupid at all. The geth have a very bad history. The quarians aren't to welcome them with open arms just because they offer peace. Nobody would do that. It's just asking to be stabbed in the back.

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David7204 wrote...

That's not stupid at all. The geth have a very bad history. The quarians aren't to welcome them with open arms just because they offer peace. Nobody would do that. It's just asking to be stabbed in the back.


I can't help but think that the whole issue started because of organics though. The Geth didn't rebel so much as retaliate for being attacked, because the Quarians didn't like how they were getting more and more intelligent. Had the Quarians never gotten upset in the first place, this entire issue would likely not exist.

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Okay? I can't control what my ancestors did 300 years ago.

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David7204 wrote...

Okay? I can't control what my ancestors did 300 years ago.


No. But you can use that as a way to see why the Geth are so hostile to organics. And you can use that to try and come up with a solution that doesn't involve killing each other. It seems like Admiral Koris is advocating that.

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I used to make peace on Rannoch entirely because I wanted two fleets to throw at the Reapers instead of one.

But ever since Wulfie showed up and started spreading his bull sh*t truth I've seen the light!

So I kill the robots then I kill the cuttlefish so I can thoroughly  enjoy my genocidal, mass murdering, sociopathic, hate fetishist, Luddite ways!

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 28 mai 2013 - 07:21 .


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David7204 wrote...

Okay? I can't control what my ancestors did 300 years ago.


It's funny how the Quarian admirals kind of admit they made a misstake in ther past due to not knowing better. But now they are repeating that same "misstake" without too much of a show of concern. Koris might be somewhat concerned, which is one of the few reasons peace is preferable to a Quarian extinction. There might be soem hope for the Quarians, and other organics. So there is a small chance the Catalyst can be wrong.

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Ravensword wrote...

I like to headcannon that when Tali does that sweet reverse swan dive off the cliff, she survives the plunge but is rendered unconscious. She is later awakens on a beach and thereafter she manages to find transportation off world and travels to Illium where she meets up w/ Valley Girl Quarian from the Eternity lounge who is sad that her friend Friendzoned Turian was transformed in the infamous bandito, Marauder Shields. Tali is happy to find another Quarian, and thus the search to find more Quarian survivors begins.


Wouldn't she have still died from infection due to taking her mask off?

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Ryzaki wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I like to headcannon that when Tali does that sweet reverse swan dive off the cliff, she survives the plunge but is rendered unconscious. She is later awakens on a beach and thereafter she manages to find transportation off world and travels to Illium where she meets up w/ Valley Girl Quarian from the Eternity lounge who is sad that her friend Friendzoned Turian was transformed in the infamous bandito, Marauder Shields. Tali is happy to find another Quarian, and thus the search to find more Quarian survivors begins.


Wouldn't she have still died from infection due to taking her mask off?


Not really, she would get sick though.
Might need some treatments after it though.

Modifié par shodiswe, 28 mai 2013 - 07:40 .


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shodiswe wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I like to headcannon that when Tali does that sweet reverse swan dive off the cliff, she survives the plunge but is rendered unconscious. She is later awakens on a beach and thereafter she manages to find transportation off world and travels to Illium where she meets up w/ Valley Girl Quarian from the Eternity lounge who is sad that her friend Friendzoned Turian was transformed in the infamous bandito, Marauder Shields. Tali is happy to find another Quarian, and thus the search to find more Quarian survivors begins.


Wouldn't she have still died from infection due to taking her mask off?


Not really, she would get sick though.
Might need some treatments after it though.


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Oooh kk.

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You can't mention "Geth", "Quarians" or "Rannoch" in these threads without restarting this crap debate.

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S.A.K wrote...

You can't mention "Geth", "Quarians" or "Rannoch" in these threads without restarting this crap debate.

I'm being good! See how I've been staying out of it?

:innocent:

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eh i am pretty sure they did leave in my play through . they went to a better place .

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shodiswe wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Okay? I can't control what my ancestors did 300 years ago.


It's funny how the Quarian admirals kind of admit they made a misstake in ther past due to not knowing better. But now they are repeating that same "misstake" without too much of a show of concern. Koris might be somewhat concerned, which is one of the few reasons peace is preferable to a Quarian extinction. There might be soem hope for the Quarians, and other organics. So there is a small chance the Catalyst can be wrong.


The only "mistake" the Quarians made the first time around was not being able to shut down all of the Geth.

My Shep helped them rectify that this time though.

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From what I can tell, it wouldn't have been all that horrible for the geth to have just left the Perseus Veil. Hell, doing so in the Morning War would have been them acting in the right by showing they would rather leave then fight when they supposedly didn't want to. After all, geth don't need atmospheric living conditions, or edible crops, or any kind of organic needs. How was staying and fighting it out for worlds they themselves say they didn't need or use worth it? If it was a simple "fight for existence," couldn't they have just as easily left the Veil and taken the time to show the quarians they weren't just the mindless war tools that everyone thought they were?

And in regards to the Dyson Bubble, why the hell did they need to build it in the Tikkun System? They already proved to us they had other worlds in their range. Hell, the True Geth managed to get all the way into the Armstrong Cluster without anyone knowing. I doubt they couldn't have found other stars. Especally since they didn't start building the Dyson Bubble until roughly 30 years after the Morning War.

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Artifex_Imperius wrote...

geth understand that they're creators have a few "lose nuts and bolts". so the geth could easily sum it up that the ball is on their court.

geth can live anywhere but quarians can't? or rannoch means much to quarians, maybe?

maybe out of respect for their creators geth should just leave rannoch. find a planet far far away. with more resource maybe?

can't understand why they'd stick to rannoch, or is this some ultimate trolling by the geth?
rannoch is probably mined out anyway?


*Their* sorry, but it made your first sentance mean something else, and confusing.

As for the question, the Geth arnt complete angels, maybe they're still a little annoyed about the whole attempted genocide incident, I mean, they joined the reapers pretty damn quickly in ME3.

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If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.

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OniTYME wrote...

If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.

Especally when they repeatedly show they have seemingly no intent to ever return it peacefully, or to even negotiate on standing terms. (How else does one think shooting down all ships, including peace-bearers, that enter geth space is going to be interperted as?)

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OniTYME wrote...

If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.


You mean if someone stole your great-great-grandparents house.

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silverexile17s wrote...

From what I can tell, it wouldn't have been all that horrible for the geth to have just left the Perseus Veil. Hell, doing so in the Morning War would have been them acting in the right by showing they would rather leave then fight when they supposedly didn't want to. After all, geth don't need atmospheric living conditions, or edible crops, or any kind of organic needs. How was staying and fighting it out for worlds they themselves say they didn't need or use worth it? If it was a simple "fight for existence," couldn't they have just as easily left the Veil and taken the time to show the quarians they weren't just the mindless war tools that everyone thought they were?

And in regards to the Dyson Bubble, why the hell did they need to build it in the Tikkun System? They already proved to us they had other worlds in their range. Hell, the True Geth managed to get all the way into the Armstrong Cluster without anyone knowing. I doubt they couldn't have found other stars. Especally since they didn't start building the Dyson Bubble until roughly 30 years after the Morning War.


I'm sure the Turians, Asari, Salarians or Batarians would have welcomed them to their space!

Perhaps the Hanars Reaper slaying orbital defences would have let the Geth travel through Hanar space without getting shot down.

It's their home, they would have been intruders anywhere else.
At least the Quarians could live as refigees even if most regarded them as unwelcome vermin.

Modifié par shodiswe, 03 juin 2013 - 10:59 .


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LOL @ Geth being neutral.

Killed billions of innocent people, killed innocent diplomats who wanted to negotiate peace, killed anyone that came near their home, allowed a group of theirs to join a faction that is going to kill every organic species, not warning any organic species about the murderers after them, all of them joined the faction that came to kill every organic species and was going to have them help with killing before they were killed by the ones having them doing all the killing.

:S Geth are neutral, seems legit :S


"But Gerrel shot at me", You mean the Geth dreadnought believed to be the source Reaper signal that was controlling the Geth. :S "Well at least the Geth have never tried to kill Shep....wait, all 3 games". :S




"Geth were afraid of dying/extinction is why they willingly joined the Reapers", Turians/Humans/Asari were losing millions of people and colonies, Krogan were facing extinction from Genophage and Reapers, Quarians ships are failing and won't be able to sustain them, Batarians are all but extinct,Drell/Hanar Elcor/Volus aren't exactly in good shape. How many willingly joined the Reapers.?

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shodiswe wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

From what I can tell, it wouldn't have been all that horrible for the geth to have just left the Perseus Veil. Hell, doing so in the Morning War would have been them acting in the right by showing they would rather leave then fight when they supposedly didn't want to. After all, geth don't need atmospheric living conditions, or edible crops, or any kind of organic needs. How was staying and fighting it out for worlds they themselves say they didn't need or use worth it? If it was a simple "fight for existence," couldn't they have just as easily left the Veil and taken the time to show the quarians they weren't just the mindless war tools that everyone thought they were?

And in regards to the Dyson Bubble, why the hell did they need to build it in the Tikkun System? They already proved to us they had other worlds in their range. Hell, the True Geth managed to get all the way into the Armstrong Cluster without anyone knowing. I doubt they couldn't have found other stars. Especally since they didn't start building the Dyson Bubble until roughly 30 years after the Morning War.


I'm sure the Turians, Asari, Salarians or Batarians would have welcomed them to their space!

Perhaps the Hanars Reaper slaying orbital defences would have let the Geth travel through Hanar space without getting shot down.

It's their home, they would have been intruders anywhere else.
At least the Quarians could live as refigees even if most regarded them as unwelcome vermin.

Dude.... the Council - AKA - the Turians, Asari, and YES, the Batarians (remember, this was before humans came) Were the ones that sent the peace offerings to the geth FIRST.  Did you forget about that? THEY were the ones that gave the geth the benifit of the doubt. How did the geth respond? They shot them dead on sight. If they really wanted seculsuon that badly, they could have just as easily warned the ships off before they ever reached the Perseus Veil.  Hell, they could have set up warnning bouys that played automatic messages saying "keep out" like the batarians do. Why was waiting for them to enter the Veil's borders and then killing them a more "passive" solution then just warning them off or formally refusing them?

And the hanar maintained gray market trades with the batarians, and double-dealed with them and the Alliance, so your intended joke may be closer to being on the money then you think. If anything, the hanar are one of the most accepting species out there. To them, the only thing they take offence at is eddiqute and any disrepect for the protheans.

Also, last I checked, that wasn't true for the Terminus Systems. How many illegal operations to the Council let go there, since the Terminus is "out of juristiction?" And AGAIN, geth do not need atmosphere, gravity, food, water, medicine, or any orgnaic needs. Legion himself tells you in ME2 that the geth get all their resources from orbital stations and asteroit mines. There are plenty of worlds they could inhabit in the Terminus. There were several dozen uncharted worlds. And there were multiple unclaimed stakes, like Aiea. They frequented the Hades Nexus often enough. They could reach into the Sentry Omega where Virmire was. Hell, the Heretics proved with their station that the geth don't even need a star system to survive. And wasn't it Legion that said "home is where the creators are?" Any reason why you are not applying this to the geth themselves in relation to their holding of a world they do not need?

Aslo, look what living like that for 300 years brought them. NOTHING. And in the book ME: Ascension, it is spicifically stated that the fleet has less then 80 years left before it becomes completely defunct. How the hell do you think a fleet like that will ever last against the Reapers? Especally with no one wanting to spare help for dead weight - which is what the quarians are without a world for their people to bunker down on.
Plus, shouldn't your assertation be just as applicable to the geth? They could survive in the same situation as the quarians. What exactally gives the geth more right to thrive and the quarians to suffer, and vice versa?

These are questions you aren't bringing up, answering, or likely even thinking of when you type.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 04 juin 2013 - 12:18 .


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KiwiQuiche wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.


You mean if someone stole your great-great-grandparents house.

And shot everyone that knocked on the door dead. And were an angry mob that tried to wipe out all life as you know it just came out from.
I meab, if they never give any explination to any of their actions, and only respond with bullets, what conclusions are you going to come to?