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[Phatose]

silverexile17s wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.

Especally when they repeatedly show they have seemingly no intent to ever return it peacefully, or to even negotiate on standing terms. (How else does one think shooting down all ships, including peace-bearers, that enter geth space is going to be interperted as?)

If, however, you shared your house with someone, tried to kill them, were forcibly removed, and then came back shooting to 'get your house back', that's a pretty big difference, don't you think?

This isn't "Stole my house." - this is "Lived my with kid, tried to kill them and got kicked out."

[DeinonSlayer]

Phatose wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.

Especally when they repeatedly show they have seemingly no intent to ever return it peacefully, or to even negotiate on standing terms. (How else does one think shooting down all ships, including peace-bearers, that enter geth space is going to be interperted as?)

If, however, you shared your house with someone, tried to kill them, were forcibly removed, and then came back shooting to 'get your house back', that's a pretty big difference, don't you think?

This isn't "Stole my house." - this is "Lived my with kid, tried to kill them and got kicked out."

Asari living in a house full of Salarians. One tries to kill her, so she kills almost all of them. Several Salarian generations pass. This family has a genetic condition, making them sicker and sicker as time goes on. The medication is in the house. ONLY in the house... but she kills anyone who so much as steps on the lawn. Another Asari comes out of the house and attacks the neighbors. For two years, she does nothing to disavow that one's actions. The descendents of the murdered family try to get their house back from the same person who, centuries later, is still guilty of those killings..

[Phatose]

Oh, hold on there.

One, it's not "One salarian." It's "A whole bunch of Salarians, who then proceeded to shoot any and all Salarians who weren't cool with trying to kill the Asari.", leaving only Salarians who were in fact guilty as sin.

It's also not "Only in this house." It's "This house is the easiest to live in, and the local town council says we can't live in their neighborhood, and were not moving into that unregulated neighborhood nearby because....well, no reason, actually."

Modifié par Phatose, 04 juin 2013 - 01:00 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Phatose wrote...

Oh, hold on there.

One, it's not "One salarian." It's "A whole bunch of Salarians, who then proceeded to shoot any and all Salarians who weren't cool with trying to kill the Asari.", leaving only Salarians who were in fact guilty as sin.

It's also not "Only in this house." It's "This house is the easiest to live in, and the local town council says we can't live in their neighborhood, and were not moving into that unregulated neighborhood nearby because....well, no reason, actually."

The Geth show us a single Quarian-on-Quarian casualty. One. Assuming the truthfulness of the footage, anything beyond that is speculative. Revelation describes what happened to the Quarians as a genocide which they had "neither the numbers nor the ability" to protect themselves from.

And yes, it's "only this house." The ME3 codex tells us the Quarians are physiologically dependent on their native plant life. Per ME2 dialogue, it would take six hundred years and species-wide experimental genetic therapy (which, bythe way, is outlawed by the Council) to eliminate that dependency, as if one were to code a human being with no dependency on Vitamin D.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 04 juin 2013 - 01:06 .

[MisterJB]

Phatose wrote...
One, it's not "One salarian." It's "A whole bunch of Salarians, who then proceeded to shoot any and all Salarians who weren't cool with trying to kill the Asari.", leaving only Salarians who were in fact guilty as sin.

I'm not actually taking a side on this debate but I find it hard to believe that the quarians; with a population of millions or billions; would massacre the ridiculously high number of quarians necessary for this to happen.

Also, I find it hard to classify someone as "guilty" when the punishment for advocating a differing viewpoint is bullet to the brain.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Oh, hold on there.

One, it's not "One salarian." It's "A whole bunch of Salarians, who then proceeded to shoot any and all Salarians who weren't cool with trying to kill the Asari.", leaving only Salarians who were in fact guilty as sin.

It's also not "Only in this house." It's "This house is the easiest to live in, and the local town council says we can't live in their neighborhood, and were not moving into that unregulated neighborhood nearby because....well, no reason, actually."

The Geth show us a single Quarian-on-Quarian casualty. One. Assuming the truthfulness of the footage, anything beyond that is speculative. Revelation describes what happened to the Quarians as a genocide which they had "neither the numbers nor the ability" to protect themselves from.

And yes, it's "only this house." The ME3 codex tells us the Quarians are physiologically dependent on their native plant life. Per ME2 dialogue, it would take six hundred years and species-wide experimental genetic therapy (which, bythe way, is outlawed by the Council) to eliminate that dependency, as if one were to code a human being with no dependency on Vitamin D.

Interesting that the council forbids species-wide gene therapy to allow a civilization to survive but allows something like the genophage. This indicates that the Council allows things only when it is in their own interests. This is why organizations like Cerberus exist. This is why for 300 years the Quarians on pilgrimage search for ways of improving their chances of taking back their home world, either by destroying the Geth, or enslaving them.

The Council can drive people like the Quarians to acts of desperation. If the Council had only acted reasonably and treated the situation as a (human)itarian crisis, assisted them in finding a world on which to settle, and allowed the gene therapy  instead of enacting draconian sanctions against the refugees the situation might not have existed. There might not have been war for Rannoch because they might have started adapting to their new environment.

No one's hands are clean.

[mcsupersport]

If you had paid attention to some of it, the Quarians destroyed a Dyson sphere that the Geth were in the process of moving onto, and vacating the Planet. There was a very good chance that the Geth would have left Rannoch in the not so distant future and the Quarians could have moved back home easily and peacefully if they hadn't gone to war and started killing Geth AGAIN.

The Quarians should shoulder most of the blame for both the Morning war and the current conflict with the Geth. The Geth probably did take the fight too far, but considering they were fairly young in experience and had very little practical knowledge how to treat an enemy other than what they had seen from the Quarians which was zero mercy, I think it is astounding that they let them leave in the first place. Please remember, the Geth were basically newborn at the beginning of the Morning War, and all their experiences of war were directly with the Quarian, and all relevant info they had to form decisions would be based on Quarian actions.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

mcsupersport wrote...

If you had paid attention to some of it, the Quarians destroyed a Dyson sphere that the Geth were in the process of moving onto, and vacating the Planet. There was a very good chance that the Geth would have left Rannoch in the not so distant future and the Quarians could have moved back home easily and peacefully if they hadn't gone to war and started killing Geth AGAIN.

The Quarians should shoulder most of the blame for both the Morning war and the current conflict with the Geth. The Geth probably did take the fight too far, but considering they were fairly young in experience and had very little practical knowledge how to treat an enemy other than what they had seen from the Quarians which was zero mercy, I think it is astounding that they let them leave in the first place. Please remember, the Geth were basically newborn at the beginning of the Morning War, and all their experiences of war were directly with the Quarian, and all relevant info they had to form decisions would be based on Quarian actions.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The Geth committed genocide of the Quarian race. It was deliberate. It is plain and simple. The Quarians were not trying to kill them before the Morning War started, they were deactivating them. But let's not go down this road here. There's another thread for that.

And there was no soon. The Reapers were in the galaxy. We've been down this road. The Quarians needed a place to put their civilians. There was no other place than Rannoch. Had that reaper not shown up it was game over for the Geth. We all know it.

The Quarians, being that there were so few of them were not a primary target.

The entire situation is the Middle East. There was never going to be peace. No matter which side you pick you're wrong.

[Sundance31us]

"why dont the geth just leave rannoch?"

Because their lease isn't up.

[DeinonSlayer]

Sundance31us wrote...

"why dont the geth just leave rannoch?"

Because their lease isn't up.

Because if there had been a diplomatic solution Shepard could have taken part in, there would have been that much more talking and that much less stuff to shoot at.

Call it the Rule of Dakka. There can never be enough.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 04 juin 2013 - 03:00 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

A few things to note about Gerrel. He will open fire on the geth dreadnought even if Xen is on board. Take that as you will.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yeah, Gerrel goes full (word that cannot be written) in ME3.

[Auld Wulf]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The Geth committed genocide of the Quarian race.

You have no proof of that. The Quarian records may have been doctored in order to make themselves look good to the Council. The Geth Consensus did shown Quarians fighting Quarians with the Geth stuck in the middle, after all.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It was deliberate.

You have no proof that the Geth desired to do anything of the sort.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Quarians were not trying to kill them before the Morning War started, they were deactivating them.

I can "deactivate" you with a shotgun blast to the head. It's a flowery euphemism but it still means death. Deactivate in this case is no different than disassemble to Johnny 5.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And there was no soon.

Yet the orthodox Geth were already almost completely off the planet. Most of their programs were on the new space platform. Legion tells you that the attack on the space platform lead to a mass genocide event for the orthodox Geth who had very few programs left.

That left them terrified for their survival, which allowed the Reapers to prey on them.

It was likely only a matter of mere days (if that) before Rannoch could have been a purely Quarian world. And on top of that, their world has no special anti-Reaper defences, so they wouldn't have been any safer there than anywhere. In fact, they would have been safer in their better equipped flotilla.

If they'd hailed the orthodox Geth and asked them for help, however... they didn't do that.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Quarians needed a place to put their civilians.

On a static planet which could be easily harvested by Reaper forces? The civilians were safer with the flotilla. The flotilla could have formed a 'wagon circle' around the civilian ships and provided them with cover.

Except that instead Gerrel chose to equip them with super-guns, but without better shields or engines, so that they might die on the front lines. So something tells me that the civilians weren't exactly Gerrel's priority at the time, otherwise he wouldn't be so cheery about sending civilian ships out to die.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Had that reaper not shown up it was game over for the Geth. We all know it.

Had the Quarians not attacked the Geth platform, the Geth would have offered military aid to the Quarians to keep their civilians safe. We all know it.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The entire situation is the Middle East. There was never going to be peace. No matter which side you pick you're wrong.

"No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism." -- Legion

No, it's nothing like the Middle-East, unless you headcanon it to be.

[Dextro Milk]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Whatever you are smoking, can I has some?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

[quote]Auld Wulf wrote...

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The Geth committed genocide of the Quarian race.[/quote]
You have no proof of that. The Quarian records may have been doctored in order to make themselves look good to the Council. The Geth Consensus did shown Quarians fighting Quarians with the Geth stuck in the middle, after all.
[/quote]

Yes, the Quarians doctored all the records. The Quarians did, in fact, kill 99% of their own population while the Geth stood around and watched from the sidelines eating popcorn. Oh that's right. Geth do not eat. Well sucking on synth oil then.

[quote]

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It was deliberate.[/quote]
You have no proof that the Geth desired to do anything of the sort.

[/quote]

I'm sorry. My error. It was all done by accident.

[quote]

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Quarians were not trying to kill them before the Morning War started, they were deactivating them.[/quote]
I can "deactivate" you with a shotgun blast to the head. It's a flowery euphemism but it still means death. Deactivate in this case is no different than disassemble to Johnny 5.

[/quote]

Here I have to disagree with you. Shooting me with a shotgun is called killing. Pulling Johnny 5's power supply is deactivating it. However, with Johnny 5 I can reinsert its power supply and switch it back on, thus reactivating it. I, on the other hand, once shot in the head, cannot be reactivated.

You are a very violent person.

[quote]

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And there was no soon.[/quote]
Yet the orthodox Geth were already almost completely off the planet. Most of their programs were on the new space platform. Legion tells you that the attack on the space platform lead to a mass genocide event for the orthodox Geth who had very few programs left.

That left them terrified for their survival, which allowed the Reapers to prey on them.

It was likely only a matter of mere days (if that) before Rannoch could have been a purely Quarian world. And on top of that, their world has no special anti-Reaper defences, so they wouldn't have been any safer there than anywhere. In fact, they would have been safer in their better equipped flotilla.

If they'd hailed the orthodox Geth and asked them for help, however... they didn't do that.

[/quote]

I think Legion actually said, "the Quarian attack on
the array left them 'less'." Legion didn't use the word genocide to my
recollection. Unfortunately this was a case of "what goes around comes around." Kill 99% of us, we kill 99% of you. Payback is a b****.

Your whole thing here is based on "if Tali wasn't Tali" and carried herself more like a privileged ***** with the status she'd earned instead of like an insecure little child wanting to run away all the time. But that would have been too threatening for a LI. Had that been the case you might have seen your scenario. But then she was raised by an absent father and Raan who can tell you which way the wind is blowing.

[quote]

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Quarians needed a place to put their civilians.[/quote]
On a static planet which could be easily harvested by Reaper forces? The civilians were safer with the flotilla. The flotilla could have formed a 'wagon circle' around the civilian ships and provided them with cover.

Except that instead Gerrel chose to equip them with super-guns, but without better shields or engines, so that they might die on the front lines. So something tells me that the civilians weren't exactly Gerrel's priority at the time, otherwise he wouldn't be so cheery about sending civilian ships out to die.

[/quote]

With such a small population the Quarians were not a high priority target for the reapers. We're talking the size of a very large city. Equipping the Live Ships with superguns was smart against the reapers. Come on. The Reapers don't discriminate. Shields are totally ineffective against thanix weapons. The Live ships have FTL engines. You can't put better engines on them without beefing up the structural integrity. At the distances 10,000 km which most space battles take place according to the codex the hope was to add some more firepower to the fleet. So this wasn't just about fighting against the Geth.

Your hysteria is killing me.

[quote]


[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Had that reaper not shown up it was game over for the Geth. We all know it.[/quote]
Had the Quarians not attacked the Geth platform, the Geth would have offered military aid to the Quarians to keep their civilians safe. We all know it.

[/quote]

Do we? That story wasn't written. The other one was going swimmingly.

[quote]

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The entire situation is the Middle East. There was never going to be peace. No matter which side you pick you're wrong.[/quote]
"No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism." -- Legion

No, it's nothing like the Middle-East, unless you headcanon it to be.
[/quote]

I was using it because this is the way the argument goes on BSN. No matter which side you pick, you are wrong.

Do not judge the Quarians by human standards. Applying human moral values to the Quarians is racist. Some of them may have "sacred" laws. Xen may be a non-believer. Rael may have been a non-believer. Tali may have been a believer. You may have believers and non-believers. And we know so little about Quarian culture. We cannot judge them by our standards either. How the hell are we supposed to make a decision?

I'll tell you how. Admiral Hackett said "Bring me the Quarian fleet. They have the largest fleet in the galaxy. We need their transport and logistics. I need them at all costs." Those are your orders. If you can deliver the Geth as well that's icing on the cake. If you can't deliver both, you deliver the Quarians Fleet. You follow your orders. The Geth don't have the transport and logistics to support organic troops.

[shodiswe]

It's the plantlife that's dependent on the "Quarians" they were spreading the seeds. Also they are more alergic to Alien Dextro plants than their native ones but they can adapt naturaly.
If they use genetic modifications like Alliance, salarian and Turian Soldiers then they would adapt even faster.

One of the things the Geth have been forced to do to keep the planet alive is help spread the seeds to maintain the ecobalance of the planet. So it's just as much a cleanup as it is a highmaintenance job to keep their homeworld alive. But at least they got rid of the murderous neighbours who woudln't talk to them but instread killed them and any Quarian who objected.

Remember Talis trial? That's what happend to anyone who spoke against the Quarian military government, assuming they wern't shot or blownup first.

I loved the reaction of the Admiralty when Shepard had the galls to speak up to them. They were shocked and appaled! Seriously! Noone does that to the Admiralty! It isn't possible. Luckily, Shepard wasn't one of theirs to punish.

I find Phatose description of the events accurate. The Quarians, all of them were ordered to deactivate(kill) members of another species that shared homes with them.
Each and everyone of them except those who refused the order and objected became Geth murderers or at least atempted Geth murder.

Those who refused Quarian millitary government orders were, imprisoned, shot, blownup by military and police. Also according to todays practices Quarians don't keep prisoners because they are a waste of Resources. What they did back then is unknown.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

shodiswe wrote...

It's the plantlife that's dependent on the "Quarians" they were spreading the seeds. Also they are more alergic to Alien Dextro plants than their native ones but they can adapt naturaly.
If they use genetic modifications like Alliance, salarian and Turian Soldiers then they would adapt even faster.

One of the things the Geth have been forced to do to keep the planet alive is help spread the seeds to maintain the ecobalance of the planet. So it's just as much a cleanup as it is a highmaintenance job to keep their homeworld alive. But at least they got rid of the murderous neighbours who woudln't talk to them but instread killed them and any Quarian who objected.

Remember Talis trial? That's what happend to anyone who spoke against the Quarian military government, assuming they wern't shot or blownup first.

I loved the reaction of the Admiralty when Shepard had the galls to speak up to them. They were shocked and appaled! Seriously! Noone does that to the Admiralty! It isn't possible. Luckily, Shepard wasn't one of theirs to punish.

I find Phatose description of the events accurate. The Quarians, all of them were ordered to deactivate(kill) members of another species that shared homes with them.
Each and everyone of them except those who refused the order and objected became Geth murderers or at least atempted Geth murder.

Those who refused Quarian millitary government orders were, imprisoned, shot, blownup by military and police. Also according to todays practices Quarians don't keep prisoners because they are a waste of Resources. What they did back then is unknown.

If you read the genetic treatment the Quarians species wide is illegal under council law because it is species-wide. So knock the horse crap. The council seems to be okay with the genophage though for some reason, oh yeah, that was in their interest, and these are filthy loathesome Quarian suitrats.

But you see as we discussed in the other thread, they didn't know the Geth were another "species" at the time. They were still equipment that was built to perform particular tasks. As far as they knew their equipment was malfunctioning and they had been given instructions to shut it down by the government.

Seriously you Geth huggers have a serious one-sided view of the history, but this is BSN, and like I've said. This is a replay of the Middle East where no matter which side you pick You Are Wrong.

[David7204]

I very seriously doubt a developed mammalian species like the quarians would play a keystone role in sustaining the planet.

Modifié par David7204, 04 juin 2013 - 07:23 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

I very seriously doubt a developed mammalian species like the quarians would play a keystone role in sustaining the planet.

Agreed. Other animals would fill that role unless Tali is actually a fur ball under that suit. lolz.

[KiwiQuiche]

silverexile17s wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.

You mean if someone stole your great-great-grandparents house.

And shot everyone that knocked on the door dead. And were an angry mob that tried to wipe out all life as you know it just came out from.
I meab, if they never give any explination to any of their actions, and only respond with bullets, what conclusions are you going to come to?

To maybe do the obvious thing and leave the geth alone since they clearly don't want to talk to anyone and prefer solitude?

But no, the Qunaris were dumbasses and kept on attacking; every single time and got belted in the face for it. Instead if they had found a new planet they could have been fine and lived without suits rather than b!tching about it a few centuries down the road and playing victim.

And don't give me that "Oh but on Rannoch they would only have decades, not centuries!" argument. The quarians got booted off Rannoch over 300 years ago. If they had gotten their act together they could have gotten a new planet. But no, they instead went and illegally started to re-colonize a planet then complained when the Council kicked them in the head for it, then spent the new few centuries flying around and screwing their immune systems even more.

[nos_astra]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
To maybe do the obvious thing and leave the geth alone since they clearly don't want to talk to anyone and prefer solitude?

But no, the Qunaris were dumbasses and kept on attacking; every single time and got belted in the face for it. Instead if they had found a new planet they could have been fine and lived without suits rather than b!tching about it a few centuries down the road and playing victim.

And don't give me that "Oh but on Rannoch they would only have decades, not centuries!" argument. The quarians got booted off Rannoch over 300 years ago. If they had gotten their act together they could have gotten a new planet. But no, they instead went and illegally started to re-colonize a planet then complained when the Council kicked them in the head for it, then spent the new few centuries flying around and screwing their immune systems even more.

Is this something you made up based on the premises "quarians are morons"?

So the solution has always been plain, simple and obvious but the quarians are just evil morons who secretly plot the extinction of the geth and travel the galaxy as poor suitrats for the heck of it.

 Yes, I know, ME doesn't go out of its way to present a complex conflict with no clear good or bad here and yes, that characterization of factions and iconic representatives is shallow as hell ... but seriously, no reason to embrace this and make it worse.

[shodiswe]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

It's the plantlife that's dependent on the "Quarians" they were spreading the seeds. Also they are more alergic to Alien Dextro plants than their native ones but they can adapt naturaly.
If they use genetic modifications like Alliance, salarian and Turian Soldiers then they would adapt even faster.

One of the things the Geth have been forced to do to keep the planet alive is help spread the seeds to maintain the ecobalance of the planet. So it's just as much a cleanup as it is a highmaintenance job to keep their homeworld alive. But at least they got rid of the murderous neighbours who woudln't talk to them but instread killed them and any Quarian who objected.

Remember Talis trial? That's what happend to anyone who spoke against the Quarian military government, assuming they wern't shot or blownup first.

I loved the reaction of the Admiralty when Shepard had the galls to speak up to them. They were shocked and appaled! Seriously! Noone does that to the Admiralty! It isn't possible. Luckily, Shepard wasn't one of theirs to punish.

I find Phatose description of the events accurate. The Quarians, all of them were ordered to deactivate(kill) members of another species that shared homes with them.
Each and everyone of them except those who refused the order and objected became Geth murderers or at least atempted Geth murder.

Those who refused Quarian millitary government orders were, imprisoned, shot, blownup by military and police. Also according to todays practices Quarians don't keep prisoners because they are a waste of Resources. What they did back then is unknown.

If you read the genetic treatment the Quarians species wide is illegal under council law because it is species-wide. So knock the horse crap. The council seems to be okay with the genophage though for some reason, oh yeah, that was in their interest, and these are filthy loathesome Quarian suitrats.

But you see as we discussed in the other thread, they didn't know the Geth were another "species" at the time. They were still equipment that was built to perform particular tasks. As far as they knew their equipment was malfunctioning and they had been given instructions to shut it down by the government.

Seriously you Geth huggers have a serious one-sided view of the history, but this is BSN, and like I've said. This is a replay of the Middle East where no matter which side you pick You Are Wrong.

Treatments for Medical reasons are legal, adding extra arms or legs are illegal.

It's legal to treat illnesses and alergies.

Ans even if they didn't know they were a species, which they shoudl have known given that they had already shown signs. Secondly they objected to the shut down but they still pressed on with it.
And after 300 years, they still insist on it depite saying they know better. They don't care if it's right or wrong, they never did.
It's been established that they know they were wrong and that they are wrong and they don't give a damn.

As for the reaper conflict it doesnt matter if it takes 60, 600 or 10 000 years for them to acclimatize. They just need a Dextroplanet with organic materials to sterilize for consumption and air to breath (through filters).

Like Hacket said, they have been Causing trouble for a long time.
I do sympatize for their suffering and all that, but it's their forefathers faults, and that doesn't give them the right to repeat the same misstake and claim it's right.

Modifié par shodiswe, 04 juin 2013 - 09:11 .

[KiwiQuiche]

klarabella wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
To maybe do the obvious thing and leave the geth alone since they clearly don't want to talk to anyone and prefer solitude?

But no, the Qunaris were dumbasses and kept on attacking; every single time and got belted in the face for it. Instead if they had found a new planet they could have been fine and lived without suits rather than b!tching about it a few centuries down the road and playing victim.

And don't give me that "Oh but on Rannoch they would only have decades, not centuries!" argument. The quarians got booted off Rannoch over 300 years ago. If they had gotten their act together they could have gotten a new planet. But no, they instead went and illegally started to re-colonize a planet then complained when the Council kicked them in the head for it, then spent the new few centuries flying around and screwing their immune systems even more.

Is this something you made up based on the premises "quarians are morons"?

So the solution has always been plain, simple and obvious but the quarians are just evil morons who secretly plot the extinction of the geth and travel the galaxy as poor suitrats for the heck of it.

 Yes, I know, ME doesn't go out of its way to present a complex conflict with no clear good or bad here and yes, that characterization of factions and iconic representatives is shallow as hell ... but seriously, no reason to embrace this and make it worse.

Their actions throughout the trilogy has given me the strong impression of that.

They certainly haven't done a lot to improve their situation, other than whine to anyone who will listen or hurl themselves at the geth to get butchered every couple of decades.

I'm just making my judgments about them on what I see them do in the games. And I'm really not impressed with them.

[shodiswe]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

klarabella wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
To maybe do the obvious thing and leave the geth alone since they clearly don't want to talk to anyone and prefer solitude?

But no, the Qunaris were dumbasses and kept on attacking; every single time and got belted in the face for it. Instead if they had found a new planet they could have been fine and lived without suits rather than b!tching about it a few centuries down the road and playing victim.

And don't give me that "Oh but on Rannoch they would only have decades, not centuries!" argument. The quarians got booted off Rannoch over 300 years ago. If they had gotten their act together they could have gotten a new planet. But no, they instead went and illegally started to re-colonize a planet then complained when the Council kicked them in the head for it, then spent the new few centuries flying around and screwing their immune systems even more.

Is this something you made up based on the premises "quarians are morons"?

So the solution has always been plain, simple and obvious but the quarians are just evil morons who secretly plot the extinction of the geth and travel the galaxy as poor suitrats for the heck of it.

 Yes, I know, ME doesn't go out of its way to present a complex conflict with no clear good or bad here and yes, that characterization of factions and iconic representatives is shallow as hell ... but seriously, no reason to embrace this and make it worse.

Their actions throughout the trilogy has given me the strong impression of that.

They certainly haven't done a lot to improve their situation, other than whine to anyone who will listen or hurl themselves at the geth to get butchered every couple of decades.

I'm just making my judgments about them on what I see them do in the games. And I'm really not impressed with them.

Actualy, Kiwi is right about this one, were told that the Quarians immunesystem got even more screwed up during their centuries in space.

If they had colonized a planet that they had discovered on their own (not taking one found and staked by Another species) then they would have adapted by now.

Before their immunesystem got all screwed up it probably wouldn't have taken more than a Century to adapt. I remember Reading about it somewhere.

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If someone stole my house, damn right I'd want to **** them up when I get back.

Especally when they repeatedly show they have seemingly no intent to ever return it peacefully, or to even negotiate on standing terms. (How else does one think shooting down all ships, including peace-bearers, that enter geth space is going to be interperted as?)

If, however, you shared your house with someone, tried to kill them, were forcibly removed, and then came back shooting to 'get your house back', that's a pretty big difference, don't you think?

This isn't "Stole my house." - this is "Lived my with kid, tried to kill them and got kicked out."

Um... the geth WEREN'T roommates. They were APPLIANCES. They were NOT legal roommates, sharing the space. The geth were the appliances in the house. This is something you and others repeatedly ignore and/or glance over - the fact that the geth were NOT supposed to be living beings, and thus were not known to be such, and in turn were not recgonized or treated as such.

So NO, if my toaster kicked me out of the house, killed everyone that ever knocked on the door to talk with them, and then gave no comment what-so-ever on the mob of anti-orgnaics that just came out of said home, it's a pretty understandible notion that people would take that as a sign of hostilities.

ONCE AGAIN, you fail to grasp the fact that the geth were NOT their kids. They were their tools. Their guns. their automated wind-up toys. NOTHING ELSE. They were not created to be living beings, and therefore weren't entitled to anything prior to achieving sentiance. The quarians NEVER entitled them to "share."

So, WRONG, this IS a "stole my house" - verbatium.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 04 juin 2013 - 09:19 .