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[Creature0fHabit]

 Here's my question...Does anyone have any plot holes or bad senerios from ME3 that made no sense or conflicted with things from ME2?

For instance when in ME3 on the Geth fighter base inside the Geth consensus you see a replay of quarians and Shepard asks why the suits. Legion responds to how many quarians have you seen before? Well if you romanced Tali you know quarians pretty well. Not to mention in citadel dlc you see the quarian take off her mask in the Fleet and the Flotilla. Not to mention when you save Tali in ME2 no quarions have their helmets blown off? There laying everywhere. 

I know there are more but I want to know what you have noticed that we might have missed. I hope for the sake of the series Mac Walters better wake the hell up and get his sh&# together..

[dreamgazer]

Of course. Space operas are notorious for plot holes that don't communicate well with the previous stories.

[The Night Mammoth]

None that only involve ME2 and 3, but why the Catalyst never acts when Sovereign's signal fails or when it's destroyed or when the the Collectors are defeated or when the Alpha Relay is destroyed or when it discovers the Crucible has been completed, has always confused me.

[nos_astra]

I can barely understand what you're trying to say but, you are aware that Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME2, too?

The whole trilogy suffers from inconsistencies and contrivances. No reason to lay the blame on ME3 alone ... or on Mr. Walters in particular.

Modifié par klarabella, 28 mai 2013 - 03:36 .

[SvM madman]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 28 mai 2013 - 09:29 .

[Creature0fHabit]

klarabella wrote...

I can barely understand what you're trying to say but, you are aware that Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME2, too?

The whole trilogy suffers from inconsistencies and contrivances. No reason to lay the blame on ME3 alone ... or on Mr. Walters in particular.

That's my point is if he wrote both then why the hell are things jacked the way they are? People were willing to forgive the plot holes because of the deep story and character connection. Good to see he didn't take that into mind when he wrote the ending. Zero peer review took place not just for the ending but through the 3rd game as a whole. Walters said it himself that it was his artistic rendition of the ME series. I'm an artist myself but when I create something that doesn't mean everyones gonna get it...critique and peer review please.

[Oni Changas]

Legion
TIM being a ****** and getting indoctrinated
Reapers in general
Space Ghost POS
The Alliance (Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard, yet did jack ****)
Council/Turians (knew about Grayson)

[nos_astra]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I can barely understand what you're trying to say but, you are aware that Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME2, too?

The whole trilogy suffers from inconsistencies and contrivances. No reason to lay the blame on ME3 alone ... or on Mr. Walters in particular.

That's my point is if he wrote both then why the hell are things jacked the way they are? People were willing to forgive the plot holes because of the deep story and character connection. Good to see he didn't take that into mind when he wrote the ending. Zero peer review took place not just for the ending but through the 3rd game as a whole. Walters said it himself that it was his artistic rendition of the ME series. I'm an artist myself but when I create something that doesn't mean everyones gonna get it...critique and peer review please.

I must have missed the installment that had a deep story and character connection. 

[Creature0fHabit]

How about the fact that every time you find an old gun like the revenant or the lancer its way better than nearly every other new gun?

Soooo if legion had to upload himself...cause he is just software why does he not just copy himself first? Have we lost the use of Ctrl+C in the future?

[David7204]

That's a pretty petty complaint, and if Shepard romances Tali it's addressed in dialogue.

Guns like the Reverent and Lancer are good because putting crap weapons in games that nobody uses is poor game design and a waste of resources.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 04:15 .

[Oni Changas]

Or the fact that Legion in ME2 couldn't give a rat's ass about being human or more organic. Even moreso the geth preferring to not be heretics and advance on their own. Yet after they no longer needed reaper control to survive Legion's gung ho in ****ing itself over reaper tech.

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

That's a pretty petty complaint, and if Shepard romances Tali it's addressed in dialogue.

Guns like the Reverent and Lancer are good because putting crap weapons in games that nobody uses is poor game design and a waste of resources.

Then what about the Locust?

[David7204]

What about it? It's a decent submachine gun.

[Creature0fHabit]

David7204 wrote...

That's a pretty petty complaint, and if Shepard romances Tali it's addressed in dialogue.

Umm cause the scene fades to black...she takes of her maske and I am asuming other things as well. Metal and envirosuits get in the way of foreplay. Just sayin

[David7204]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's a pretty petty complaint, and if Shepard romances Tali it's addressed in dialogue.

Umm cause the scene fades to black...she takes of her maske and I am asuming other things as well. Metal and envirosuits get in the way of foreplay. Just sayin

And Shepard and Legion address that. Maybe you just didn't pay attention? Just sayin.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 04:20 .

[mumba]

Everything about TIM in ME3 was a plothole.

[Forst1999]

The OP's complaint is adressed. Not in a way that makes very much sense too me, but they always made too much turmoil over the quarian's appearance. In ME2, Kelly wondered what they looked like. The extranet seriously contains no pictures?

The Night Mammoth wrote...

None that only involve ME2 and 3, but why the Catalyst never acts when Sovereign's signal fails or when it's destroyed or when the the Collectors are defeated or when the Alpha Relay is destroyed or when it discovers the Crucible has been completed, has always confused me.

I always thought that the Prothean's sabotage of the Citadel rendered the Catalyst unable to act. We only have very little info about it, but it seems possible.

OniTYME wrote...
Legion
TIM being a ****** and getting indoctrinated
Reapers in general
Space Ghost POS
The Alliance (Hackett and Anderson believed Shepard, yet did jack ****)
Council/Turians (knew about Grayson)

TIM getting himself indoctrinated during the reckless pursuit of more power fits the TIM I know pretty well.
Anderson and Hackett did what they could. What would you have liked to see them do?
You got to be more specific about the rest.

OniTYME wrote...

Or the fact that Legion in ME2 couldn't give a rat's ass about being human or more organic. Even moreso the geth preferring to not be heretics and advance on their own. Yet after they no longer needed reaper control to survive Legion's gung ho in ****ing itself over reaper tech.

The Geth were at least extremely interested in learning how organics think. And even in ME3 they do nothing they do to become more "organic", but only to survive. It results in them gaining individuality, but the pursuit of this wasn't suddenly made their goal. It just happened.
They did let go of their "advanvement on our own" ideology. They had to. Characters having to change might be sad, but it's no plot hole.

Arcian wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's a pretty petty complaint, and if Shepard romances Tali it's addressed in dialogue. 

Guns like the Reverent and Lancer are good because putting crap weapons in games that nobody uses is poor game design and a waste of resources. 

Then what about the Locust?

The Locust was a phenomenal weapon in ME2, so it's exactly the same story as the Lancer: A weapon that is better in gameplay than it should be following the lore. Otherwise, it would just be crap. If you want to take gameplay stats and look if they make sense from a story perspective, ME1 would be a much worse offender anyhow. The differences between various models were much to big to be believable.

Creature0fHabit wrote...

Soooo if legion had to upload himself...cause he is just software why does he not just copy himself first? Have we lost the use of Ctrl+C in the future?

There we have something I can't explain to any degree. And it's a kind of important thing, so I really would have liked an explanation.
There are plot holes and incosistencies in most stories, and the bigger the story gets the more there are usually. ME is affected, more than many others. But it's kind of sad how people sometimes declare things plot holes they simply couldn't be bothered to think through,  how even the littlest things lead them to condemning the writers as incompetent and how developments they simply don't like are "bad writing", just because declaring something objectively bad has more weight than voicing the opinion that they did not like it.

[David7204]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Legion: "How many creators have you seen maskless? We are showing you what you perceieve the creators to look like."

Translation:

Legion: "The art department were lazy bums."

That is simply stupid. They've wanted to keep the quarians mysterious. Revealing them in the Consensus would have been ridiculous.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 04:53 .

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

What about it? It's a decent submachine gun.

[David7204]

Off Topic, but I just noticed your signature. Are you sure you're fit to be touting science like you're some sort of expert? I remember you writing a little fanfiction once that had the player traveling to the Small Magellanic Cloud without any fuss. You neglected to account that it's an entire new galaxy, not just a nebula or something. Sloppy research.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 04:57 .

[Creature0fHabit]

Legion: "The art department were lazy bums."

I just don't think they saw the connection that people had with the characters. If your going to end Shepard's story then end it without a ton of questions and speculation. It's the same reason I wont watch movies by certain directors because they like to leave things obscure. 

What about this leviathan? So it knocked a reaper out the sky...is that its only contribution to the war? Hmm

[Ecrulis]

klarabella wrote...

I can barely understand what you're trying to say but, you are aware that Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME2, too?

The whole trilogy suffers from inconsistencies and contrivances. No reason to lay the blame on ME3 alone ... or on Mr. Walters in particular.

This, honestly this is the type of thing that happens when you write a trilogy as you go along, the series obviously had no clear direction, or at least the overarching plot was not cemented before approaching writing the thing, of course the 11th hour plot switch after the script leaked didn't help either.

[Creature0fHabit]

Ecrulis wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I can barely understand what you're trying to say but, you are aware that Mac Walters was the lead writer of ME2, too?

The whole trilogy suffers from inconsistencies and contrivances. No reason to lay the blame on ME3 alone ... or on Mr. Walters in particular.

This, honestly this is the type of thing that happens when you write a trilogy as you go along, the series obviously had no clear direction, or at least the overarching plot was not cemented before approaching writing the thing, of course the 11th hour plot switch after the script leaked didn't help either.

Peer review...can't say it enough.