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[RadicalDisconnect]

I sure many of us are outspoken about our opposition to the blatant sexualization of females in ME2 and ME3. In some cases, this comes at the cost of functionality. I certainly would prefer the art style of character outfits, especially those used in combat missions, to emphasize more sensibility and functionality (more militaristic, if you will). Case in point, look at what male and female soldiers look like.

Female:


Male:


As one can see, not a whole lot of difference. In addition, having realistic armor doesn't mean that it has to be very bulky looking. Here's an example of armor that's relatively light.




Quite the departure from the rather blatantly sexualized outfits that some characters like Miranda wear into combat. This is also present to a lesser degree in males, such as Jacob's outfit. Would you prefer a more functional and militaristic art style for combat outfits of squadmates? I honestly would, as I see no reason for Ashley to be wearing the kind of suit she's wearing. Miranda is an even bigger offender.

EDIT: What I'm not asking for is to copy and paste current miltiary fatigues and uniforms. As people have said, that would be boring and we have enough modern military FPS around already. To borrow a phrase from another poster here, I'd say a "happy medium" would be the N7 Demolisher armor. It's a set that's distinctly feminine while still looking practical and functional.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 01 juin 2013 - 02:09 .

[Arcian]

If everyone stuck with Shepard's armor standards, it would be a-ok in my book.

[Jukaga]

I have no problem with Miranda's catsuit on the ship, but when going into combat, put some bloody armor on and a proper helmet, those face masks for the pretty girls just annoys the hell out of me. Ash and Liara managed to remain attractive women in ME1 while wearing proper armor. Ashley's alternate suit in ME3 is okay, it's blue Alliance armor and she actually dons a helmet.

[David7204]

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 07:50 .

[KaiserShep]

I think they should've stuck to the ME1 system, where absolutely everyone gets armor and proper sealed helmets, which was odd to see how Liara suddenly got nothing but a tiny breather thing no matter what.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 28 mai 2013 - 07:51 .

[Endorlf]

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

It's about being sensible when going into combat. Like how Liara needs to put on some armor, or how armor in general need load-bearing equipment (for thermal clips and such). Also, I'm not sure if having a breathing mask is enough in a vacuum.

Modifié par Endorlf, 28 mai 2013 - 07:58 .

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

Butthatsexactlywhytheyusedbreathmasks.exe

[KaiserShep]

Liara gets body armor just fine in ME3, though in ME2 she didn't even so much as change her "casual" armor suit to walk on the Shadow Broker's ship. The only thing she lacks is a proper helmet design. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 28 mai 2013 - 07:55 .

[David7204]

Endorlf wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

It's about being sensible when going into combat. Like how Liara needs to put on some armor, or how armor in general need load-bearing equipment (for thermal clips and such). Also, I'm not sure if having a breathing mask is enough in a vacuum.

If the developers could have snapped their fingers and given everyone four outfits (One for the ship, one for non-hazardous combat zones, one for semi-hazardous combat zones such as the Shadow Broker ship exterior, and one for hazardous combat zones such as Mars), I'm sure they would have.

It's not an issue of wanting to sexualize characters in hazardous environments. It's an issue of work.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 07:57 .

[Endorlf]

Also, to OP, I'm not too sure about a more militaristic art style, since there are plenty of modern FPS shooters for that. But it will still be nice to have armor that makes sense. Doesn't have to be realistic or reflect contemporary times, but at least be sensible.

[Jukaga]

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

What other explination could there be? Liara on Mars in ME3 with her face and eyes exposed? Miranda comfotable in the upper atmosphere of a brown dwarf with just a silly face mask. It was a wrong decision in design.

[Jukaga]

David7204 wrote...

Endorlf wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

It's about being sensible when going into combat. Like how Liara needs to put on some armor, or how armor in general need load-bearing equipment (for thermal clips and such). Also, I'm not sure if having a breathing mask is enough in a vacuum.

If the developers could have snapped their fingers and given everyone four outfits (One for the ship, one for non-hazardous combat zones, one for semi-hazardous combat zones such as the Shadow Broker ship exterior, and one for hazardous combat zones such as Mars), I'm sure they would have.

It's not an issue of wanting to sexualize characters in hazardous environments. It's an issue of work.

Um, every character in ME3 does have 3-4 outfits if you have all the DLC. It's not a question of how much work, it's a question of design. They made some poor choices in that regard.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh, the Interceptor Body Armor...

As for high speed on the bottom, he's a Ranger, wearing the IOTV. And that's a stateside op. His weapon is unloaded and he's got a stopper plug in the barrel. His collars down and his sleeves are rolled. I don't know Ranger SOP but I'm pretty certain you don't leave the sleeves on your blouse undone. Especially downrange.

Simple fact from experience. Military uniforms look horrendous on women, no matter what they look like.

Give me Miranda any day.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 28 mai 2013 - 08:05 .

[Astartes Marine]

Yeah off the field the catsuits and whatever are fine, but when the boots hit the ground I'd like to see some actual body armor and military gear.

[Only-Twin]

Just do away with over-sexualization. We don't need the series turning into chest-pounding militaristic bravado.

I'd rather see thoughtful art design, reflecting unique and complex cultures. Not copy/paste army fatigues and olive drab. 

Modifié par Only-Twin, 28 mai 2013 - 08:12 .

[David7204]

Jukaga wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

What other explination could there be? Liara on Mars in ME3 with her face and eyes exposed? Miranda comfotable in the upper atmosphere of a brown dwarf with just a silly face mask. It was a wrong decision in design.

The considerable work involved in creating a new outfit...

[Wayning_Star]

do you want Video games or training immersion? I like both, for that matter, but the military in the MEU is rather sketchy. Besides it's all off into some future with aliens'n all. Who wants to jump around counting stripes and brass?

(learnin can be fun AND entertaining,eh?)

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

The considerable work involved in creating a new outfit...

Isn't that the kind of stuff that planning is for? I mean, having character that gets into heavy combat but doesn't have acces to appropriate equipment sounds like a quite logical step to me.

Besides, why create a breather in the first place if you could have build a helmet? and trust me creating a 3d character model isn't that much of a work if you have the skill and knowledge.

[Sashimi_taco]

I don't care what the other characters do so long as I get to play as a female character and you DO NOT sexualize my main character *ahem* me3 femshep boob and butt upgrades *ahem*.

There are women in the world who do enjoy their bodies, which is why I like Miri and other female characters no matter what they wear. It doesn't make sense that they wear the same clothes in combat, and that part is alienating to me as a female player because it is so blatantly done to pander to men who are attracted to women. They do this while sacrificing the integrity of the female character, and it is quite sexist.

If miranda is going to wear a catsuit in combat, I want to see Kaidan's high definition bulge along with exploitive camera angles when I talk to him. I'm not talking about a butt shot. I'm talking Miri level camera angles where the camera is framed right at the danger zone, with a high rez outline of the good stuff showing through his skin tight future fabric. I can see everything, and there will be conversation options that point to it that say things like "investigate". Until I get this, you cannot have female characters wearing cloth in combat.

So long as female characters wear proper armor in combat, they can walk around naked on the ship for all I care.

[KaiserShep]

David7204 wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I really hope people aren't thinking that the developers used breathe masks because they thought the idea of not showing a female character's face for one mission would be unbearable.

What other explination could there be? Liara on Mars in ME3 with her face and eyes exposed? Miranda comfotable in the upper atmosphere of a brown dwarf with just a silly face mask. It was a wrong decision in design.

The considerable work involved in creating a new outfit...

Nope. The body types don't even vary widely enough for this to be true at all, aside from the fact that a wide variety of armor has already existed since the first Mass Effect. The groundwork was already done, but was abandoned. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 28 mai 2013 - 08:30 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Endorlf wrote...

Also, to OP, I'm not too sure about a more militaristic art style, since there are plenty of modern FPS shooters for that. But it will still be nice to have armor that makes sense. Doesn't have to be realistic or reflect contemporary times, but at least be sensible.

Only-Twin wrote...

Just do away with over-sexualization. We don't need the series turning into chest-pounding militaristic bravado.

I'd rather see thoughtful art design, reflecting unique and complex cultures. Not copy/paste army fatigues and olive drab. 

Not suggesting that we should copy and paste current military fatigues, just using them as examples of how females look pretty much the same as males in combat. By militaristic, I don't mean looking like BF3 or MW3, but something a bit closer to something like an N7 Demolisher.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 31 mai 2013 - 09:41 .

[RZIBARA]

Jukaga wrote...

I have no problem with Miranda's catsuit on the ship, but when going into combat, put some bloody armor on and a proper helmet, those face masks for the pretty girls just annoys the hell out of me. Ash and Liara managed to remain attractive women in ME1 while wearing proper armor. Ashley's alternate suit in ME3 is okay, it's blue Alliance armor and she actually dons a helmet.

Question: Does ashley's outfit from " from ashes " have an actual helmet? I like the outfit, and im getting that DLC very soon. 

[themikefest]

I bet that womon in the image can kick your a**. The guy in the bottom image with his sleeves partially rolled up is a no no.

Women in uniform look a lot different when wearing civilian clothing. I would rather wear heavy armor that protects me than wear some crap that turn heads.

The females in ME I would have them wear armor, not the crap you see, and when the mission is done have them change to something more comfortable.

[David7204]

KaiserShep wrote...

Nope. The body types don't even vary widely enough for this to be true at all, aside from the fact that a wide variety of armor has already existed since the first Mass Effect. The groundwork was already done, but was abandoned. 

If you don't mind characters wearing generic, indishtinguishable armor, then yes. You could have done that.

But if you want the clothing and armor to be reflective of the character, then no.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 08:34 .

[Fixers0]

 Infiltrator Players should get something like the CELL Snipers from Crysis 3.