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[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

If anything, this threads proves that there really isn't much of a consensus, only that BioWare could dial back on the Rule of Cool and incorporate more conservativeness and functionality.

.  I wouldnt say 'conservativeness' but instead, pracicality, lore friendly, etc...

Well, practicality and conservativeness sorta go hand-in-hand here, methinks.

Depends on what you mean by it. The more covered you are in combat the better. That fits the conservative bill.

I will say this, there are several times where the wear for battle can be a little bit relaxed. Not every LZ or combat station is a Jalalabad Valley. Especially with kinetic barriers. It'd be inappropriate and cumbersome in some places to have a heavy suit of armor.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 30 mai 2013 - 04:05 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

If anything, this threads proves that there really isn't much of a consensus, only that BioWare could dial back on the Rule of Cool and incorporate more conservativeness and functionality.

.  I wouldnt say 'conservativeness' but instead, pracicality, lore friendly, etc...

Well, practicality and conservativeness sorta go hand-in-hand here, methinks.

Truth is, I want to see functionality and stylish without blatant sex appeal.

[RadicalDisconnect]

iakus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That is medium armor. And it's not latex. It looks like some sort of plastic, but not latex.

If that's medium armor, what's light armor?  a speedo?

LOL. I just had to comment on that.

[AresKeith]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

If anything, this threads proves that there really isn't much of a consensus, only that BioWare could dial back on the Rule of Cool and incorporate more conservativeness and functionality.

.  I wouldnt say 'conservativeness' but instead, pracicality, lore friendly, etc...

Well, practicality and conservativeness sorta go hand-in-hand here, methinks.

Truth is, I want to see functionality and stylish without blatant sex appeal.

Like Miranda's Alt Appearance pack Cerberus armor?

[Exile Isan]

You know what's funny, is that as a female gamer playing FemShep I prefer this armor to any of the others across all three games. And I wouldn't exactly call it sexy.

[RadicalDisconnect]

AresKeith wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

If anything, this threads proves that there really isn't much of a consensus, only that BioWare could dial back on the Rule of Cool and incorporate more conservativeness and functionality.

.  I wouldnt say 'conservativeness' but instead, pracicality, lore friendly, etc...

Well, practicality and conservativeness sorta go hand-in-hand here, methinks.

Truth is, I want to see functionality and stylish without blatant sex appeal.

Like Miranda's Alt Appearance pack Cerberus armor?

It's a definite improvement over her default outfit. Perhaps tone down how closely the chestplate follows the contour of her boobs, maybe add a few pouches for thermal clips and what not. Other than that, it's fine.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 04:20 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

If anything, this threads proves that there really isn't much of a consensus, only that BioWare could dial back on the Rule of Cool and incorporate more conservativeness and functionality.

.  I wouldnt say 'conservativeness' but instead, pracicality, lore friendly, etc...

Well, practicality and conservativeness sorta go hand-in-hand here, methinks.

Truth is, I want to see functionality and stylish without blatant sex appeal.

Like Miranda's Alt Appearance pack Cerberus armor?

I consider that perfect for style and functionality. Miranda's catsuit still works for situations that aren't complete combat scenario's. Her kinetic and biotic barriers should be more than sufficient in those circumstances.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

No and actually i made a whole post of about this subject . My favorite outfits from the ME games was Miranda 2 the camera work was awsome    and Ashleys make over and uniform..... less is better in this case. Ashleys non combat  in ME1 was  nice  to  didnt like combat armor though.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 30 mai 2013 - 06:21 .

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

If anything, this threads proves that there really isn't much of a consensus, only that BioWare could dial back on the Rule of Cool and incorporate more conservativeness and functionality.

.  I wouldnt say 'conservativeness' but instead, pracicality, lore friendly, etc...

Well, practicality and conservativeness sorta go hand-in-hand here, methinks.

Truth is, I want to see functionality and stylish without blatant sex appeal.

Like Miranda's Alt Appearance pack Cerberus armor?

I consider that perfect for style and functionality. Miranda's catsuit still works for situations that aren't complete combat scenario's. Her kinetic and biotic barriers should be more than sufficient in those circumstances.

For Mordin's recruit mission and the start of her Loyalty mission I had her use catsuit

Also for Hubs like Omega, Citadel, and Illium

[Ravensword]

Oh, look. We've almost gone two whole pages w/o David coming in and telling everyone that they're idiots for not agreeing that catsuits, unzipped cleavage, belt bras, and stiletto heels are perfect and practical for combat.

[AresKeith]

Ravensword wrote...

Oh, look. We've almost gone two whole pages w/o David coming in and telling everyone that they're idiots for not agreeing that catsuits, unzipped cleavage, belt bras, and stiletto heels are perfect and practical for combat.

Feels great right lol

[RadicalDisconnect]

For those who claim that functional armor can't be lightweight.





That looks lighter than some of the armor seen in game. Further shows that there's no reason for Jacob to dress like that. Again, not saying that these designs should be copy and pasted in. It's there to demonstrate a point.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 08:44 .

[v TricKy v]

 I agree with this although it is a general problem in the gaming industry. Its especially apparent in MMOs were female armor seems to get skimpier as you find better pieces.
And I always get a good laugh when my shep stands there in functional armor and helmet in vaccum while Liara or Miranda stands there with their tiny little masks, no armor to protect them from the temperatures and high heels.
And for people saying that having unique clothes is a way to reflect their personalitys here are a few pictures






Notice something? Yeah they all wear unique armor tailored for them but they are still belivable and functional. They look like they are ready for a firefight and not for americas next topmodel.

[AresKeith]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

That looks lighter than some of the armor seen in game. Further shows that there's no reason for Jacob to dress like that.

Exactly, not every armor = Heavy armor

[David7204]

Ravensword wrote...

Oh, look. We've almost gone two whole pages w/o David coming in and telling everyone that they're idiots for not agreeing that catsuits, unzipped cleavage, belt bras, and stiletto heels are perfect and practical for combat.

Sadly, we haven't gone two whole pages without someone making a moronic strawman of my argument and an utterly pointless insult.

My argument was based on characterization. i never once argued that such things are perfect for combat.

Modifié par David7204, 30 mai 2013 - 08:52 .

[AresKeith]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

My argument was based on characterization. i never once argued that such things are perfect for combat. 

Which is why many of us want characters like Miranda and Jack to wear some proper, functional looking protective armor in combat missions. Miranda's or Jacob's default outfit is not light armor, it's some skintight catsuit.

As for characterization, there's a whole lot more than just appearance, which is also why some of us like to see characters abiding to basic dress codes like wearing proper military uniforms (or at least having the option), whether formal or informal, when not in the front lines. Case in point, why can't we make EDI don on some fatigues when on the ship? Her body is already facepalm-worthy enough as it is.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 09:02 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

I'll second this opinion. It looks like whoever made this had the same ideas I have had if I were to give a new look for Samara.

This is what ME should have. Armor that looks cool, fits the character, yet also looks practical for when squadmates goes into battle.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

For those who claim that functional armor can't be lightweight.

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As a Soldier myself, I think I better clear some stuff up here. The first image (the top) is a kevlar vest used for light engagements and law enforcement. That's lightweight stuff. You'd never wear that into a battlezone unless it was literally all you had. Notice how it only protects the torso and upper abdomen. No shoulder protection, no neck protection, vulnerable to the side of the body, no diaper to protect the groin. 

That's probably rated for ballistic protection of a small caliber handgun. It might save your life from a rifle bullet, but you're really poking the tiger there. No soldier is going to wear that in a longer, sustained firefight.

As for the bottom, that Marine is not wearing any body armor at all. That's his tactical vest, his MOLLE (I don't know what the Marine equivalent is). That's Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment. That has no ballistic protection whatsover.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 30 mai 2013 - 09:05 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

For those who claim that functional armor can't be lightweight.

snip images snip

As a Soldier myself, I think I better clear some stuff up here. The first image (the top) is a kevlar vest used for light engagements and law enforcement. That's lightweight stuff. You'd never wear that into a battlezone unless it was literally all you had. 

That's probably rated for ballistic protection of a small caliber handgun. It might save your life from a rifle bullet, but you're really poking the tiger there. No soldier is going to wear that in a longer, sustained firefight.

As for the bottom, that Marine is not wearing any body armor at all. That's his tactical vest, his MOLLE (I don't know what the Marine equivalent is). That's Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment. That has no ballistic protection whatsover.

Actually, I think the bottom image is that of a SEAL wearing a LBT plate carrier. At least, that's what I think it is.



I think the picture below definitely shows them wearing armor.


Still looks pretty light compared to some of the armor seen in game.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 09:08 .

[AresKeith]

Lizardviking wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

I'll second this opinion. It looks like whoever made this had the same ideas I have had if I were to give a new look for Samara.

This is what ME should have. Armor that looks cool, fits the character, yet also looks practical for when squadmates goes into battle.

A combination of Mystic and Combat armor, that is something I could see a Justicar wearing

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

For those who claim that functional armor can't be lightweight.

snip images snip

As a Soldier myself, I think I better clear some stuff up here. The first image (the top) is a kevlar vest used for light engagements and law enforcement. That's lightweight stuff. You'd never wear that into a battlezone unless it was literally all you had. 

That's probably rated for ballistic protection of a small caliber handgun. It might save your life from a rifle bullet, but you're really poking the tiger there. No soldier is going to wear that in a longer, sustained firefight.

As for the bottom, that Marine is not wearing any body armor at all. That's his tactical vest, his MOLLE (I don't know what the Marine equivalent is). That's Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment. That has no ballistic protection whatsover.

Actually, I think the bottom image is that of a SEAL wearing a LBT plate carrier. At least, that's what I think it is.

That's not a SEAL Operator. That's a Marine. 

The bottom image is a different image with different people. You can tell by the Kpot on the Marine and the MICH on the other. The guy on the right looking to the right is wearing an LBT. The guy on the left is wearing a camelback. That's a watering hydration kit.

The LBT is a lifesaver no question, but you're going to want to be using the Interceptor in a pitched firefight.

As for most of the characters, I get the feeling they can also rely on biotic and kinetic barriers.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 30 mai 2013 - 09:13 .

[Arcian]

AresKeith wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

It looks prothean. If the asari could stop stealing everything from my people, that would be great.

[RadicalDisconnect]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Actually, I think the bottom image is that of a SEAL wearing a LBT plate carrier. At least, that's what I think it is.

That's not a SEAL Operator. That's a Marine. 

Maybe. Helmet doesn't look like standard Marine issue though. The AOR1 camo worn by SEALS look awfully similar to MARPAT. But I'm fairly sure that he's wearing armor in that picture.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 09:19 .