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[AresKeith]

Arcian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

It looks prothean. If the asari could stop stealing everything from my people, that would be great.

Maybe the Protheans should've tried to be more like the Fore Runners

[MassivelyEffective0730]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Actually, I think the bottom image is that of a SEAL wearing a LBT plate carrier. At least, that's what I think it is.

That's not a SEAL Operator. That's a Marine. 

Maybe. Helmet doesn't look like standard Marine issue though. The AOR1 camo worn by SEALS look awfully similar to MARPAT. But I'm fairly sure that he's wearing armor in that picture.

That's the Marine K-pot helmet. It just looks funny due to the angle and without the MARPAT Cover. And there is no armor. That is his flick vest.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

I'll second this opinion. It looks like whoever made this had the same ideas I have had if I were to give a new look for Samara.

This is what ME should have. Armor that looks cool, fits the character, yet also looks practical for when squadmates goes into battle.

A combination of Mystic and Combat armor, that is something I could see a Justicar wearing

My ideas was to give her something akin to Vasir's armor, but more ornamented and with aesthetics elements from medieval plate armor (her black "outfit") or samurai armor (her red "outfit"). Granted this is not entirely that, but that does not matter, it looks close to and better than what I had imagined.

[RadicalDisconnect]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Actually, I think the bottom image is that of a SEAL wearing a LBT plate carrier. At least, that's what I think it is.

That's not a SEAL Operator. That's a Marine. 

Maybe. Helmet doesn't look like standard Marine issue though. The AOR1 camo worn by SEALS look awfully similar to MARPAT. But I'm fairly sure that he's wearing armor in that picture.

That's the Marine K-pot helmet. It just looks funny due to the angle and without the MARPAT Cover. And there is no armor. That is his flick vest.

Got ninja'd. 

My point is that there are functional armor out there that don't look super bulky, like in my second set of pictures with the LBT plate carrier, or like this.



They certainly don't look like they'll add so much bulk to a character model that it makes him/her look like a generic, indistinguishable grunt as some people here are suggesting. Compare to the following.



In any case, heavier armor also means more room for stronger eezo cores/generators for stronger kinetic barriers.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 10:56 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

In any case, all the characters don't need heavy armor plating. They have the best armor available.

Plot Armor.

[AresKeith]

Lizardviking wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

 With regards to Samara, I'll just leave this here.

That redesign looks really cool

I'll second this opinion. It looks like whoever made this had the same ideas I have had if I were to give a new look for Samara.

This is what ME should have. Armor that looks cool, fits the character, yet also looks practical for when squadmates goes into battle.

A combination of Mystic and Combat armor, that is something I could see a Justicar wearing

My ideas was to give her something akin to Vasir's armor, but more ornamented and with aesthetics elements from medieval plate armor (her black "outfit") or samurai armor (her red "outfit"). Granted this is not entirely that, but that does not matter, it looks close to and better than what I had imagined.

That also sounds better than what Samara currently has

Why didn't you make a ME2 Alt Appearance 3 Bioware?

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Oh, look. We've almost gone two whole pages w/o David coming in and telling everyone that they're idiots for not agreeing that catsuits, unzipped cleavage, belt bras, and stiletto heels are perfect and practical for combat.

Sadly, we haven't gone two whole pages without someone making a moronic strawman of my argument and an utterly pointless insult. 
My argument was based on characterization. i never once argued that such things are perfect for combat. 

Not pointless enough for you to respond to it, eh, Davey? And couldn't you have at least waited til page 16 to respond? A brief respite of two pages is all that is asked of you, good sir.

Ah, yes. "Characterization." Looks like we're gonna need more catsuits, unzipped cleavage, belt bras, and stiletto heels to bring out a female characters personality.

Modifié par Ravensword, 30 mai 2013 - 10:00 .

[David7204]

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

Just like how an Alliance officer wearing a catsuit would be ridiculous.

I highly doubt ME characters are established by their outfit.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 30 mai 2013 - 10:11 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

 
If said cat thief wants to survive a gun fight they would atleast wear light armor or armor plates around their outfit

In Kasumi's place, she has a cloaking ability to help but that still wouldn't be enough in certain areas

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

It's also easy to forsake clothing for characterizations for a situation that is fitting. If it fits the context is perfectly acceptable.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

It's also easy to forsake clothing for characterizations for a situation that is fitting. If it fits the context is perfectly acceptable.

Two sets of outfits

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

 
If said cat thief wants to survive a gun fight they would atleast wear light armor or armor plates around their outfit

In Kasumi's place, she has a cloaking ability to help but that still wouldn't be enough in certain areas

I always gave Kasumi a pass since her outfit gave me the impression of being very light armor, kinda like Liara's LOTSB outfit (though hers does have the "chainmail" fabric).

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether
you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief,
for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

Then wouldn't the ideal situation be to give characters an unique casuel outfit they would wear on the ship and other friendly areas, where it would be okay for Miranda to wear her catsuit, Jacob his whatever that is? And then when they enter combat, characters would switch over to some sort of armor that like the casuel clothes, is unique to said character.

Just throwing an idea out there.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Changed the thread title, as I don't want the implication that I'm asking to copy and paste current military equipment or displaying military bravado.

[AresKeith]

Lizardviking wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

 
If said cat thief wants to survive a gun fight they would atleast wear light armor or armor plates around their outfit

In Kasumi's place, she has a cloaking ability to help but that still wouldn't be enough in certain areas

I always gave Kasumi a pass since her outfit gave me the impression of being very light armor, kinda like Liara's LOTSB outfit (though hers does have the "chainmail" fabric).

Yea that's true, I never really had an issue with Kasumi because she's more of a stealth fighter plus a cloaking ability

But Bioware could've atleast gave her a mask like the N7 Fury instead of that stupid mouth piece

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether
you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief,
for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

Then wouldn't the ideal situation be to give characters an unique casuel outfit they would wear on the ship and other friendly areas, where it would be okay for Miranda to wear her catsuit, Jacob his whatever that is? And then when they enter combat, characters would switch over to some sort of armor that like the casuel clothes, is unique to said character.

Just throwing an idea out there.

And given that ME3 basically had the same dev time as ME2 that should've been possible

[David7204]

There are dozens of things in ME 3 that people have complained should have happened or should have been included. That is not a good argument.

The helmets connect to heavy hardsuits. You can't have an N7 seal to Kasumi's clothing. You have to find another option.

Modifié par David7204, 30 mai 2013 - 10:33 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AresKeith wrote...
Yea that's true, I never really had an issue with Kasumi because she's more of a stealth fighter plus a cloaking ability

But Bioware could've atleast gave her a mask like the N7 Fury instead of that stupid mouth piece

That is true, but I was talking about the armor itself. 

I have never liked the breather mask on any of the characters.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Changed the thread title, as I don't want the implication that I'm asking to copy and paste current military equipment or displaying military bravado.

No I happen to be one of the ones that rather things not look practical or functional ....

I am not going to comment to anyone directly in this post because I already been in this time of conversion if you really want to know how i respond to questions just read all the threads that i have created in the last year .

If you click here this thread that I started in particular actually gives you an in depth opinion on my answer to this very question.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 30 mai 2013 - 10:41 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

There are dozens of things in ME 3 that people have complained should have happened or should have been included. That is not a good argument.

The helmets connect to heavy hardsuits. You can't have an N7 seal to Kasumi's clothing. You have to find another option.

Yeah, and we're not arguing to have all this patched into ME3 at this point. Combat helmets don't have to connect to hard suits, they have to offer protection. And if the operating environment is in a vacuum, then ditch the usual attire altogether and put an airtight suit. Simple as that.

[David7204]

It might surprise you to learn that creating distinctive airtight outfits is a lot of work?

Modifié par David7204, 30 mai 2013 - 10:44 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

David7204 wrote...
There are dozens of things in ME 3 that people have complained should have happened or should have been included. That is not a good argument.

Well, that is not what I use as the argument is it?

You claimed that clothing is important because it helps establish a characer, a fair point. Then I said that then wouldn't it be the most ideal situation if characters had unique clothing while onboard the ship (to help establish their personality), while in battle they would wear some sort of armor that were unique to them so they still retain their seperate looks. Granted I do not know if such a suggestion would be realistic, perhaps it have taken too many resources or too much time.

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

Well, now that you mention it, Kasumi does seem to be the only one that is properly attired for her role as a thief. Even more suprising is that she doesn't have her ass hanging out of her suit like Miranda, or is showing off her cleavage.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

I'm still wondering what the f*ck a cat thief is doing on a military suicide mission in the first place.


No really, what the actual f*ck did we need a thief for in ME2?


We recruit Kasumi, the best thief there is, only to put her into military situations and never actually use her for her expertise. Yeahhh... okay.... whatever....


Same thing can be said about Thane by the way (an assassin who never assassinates anyone for us).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 mai 2013 - 10:55 .

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

Waitaminute...

Miranda's a cat thief?  

[Ravensword]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Clothing establishes character whether you're willing to admit it or not. A catsuit establishes a cat thief, for example. A supposed cat thief wearing fatigues would be ridiculous.

I'm still wondering what the f*ck a cat thief is doing on a military suicide mission in the first place.


No really, what the actual f*ck did we need a thief for in ME2?


We recruit Kasumi, the best thief there is, only to put her into military situations and never actually use her for her expertise. Yeahhh... okay.... whatever....


Same thing can be said about Thane by the way (an assassin who never assassinates anyone for us).

I liked Kasumi; she was one of my favorite characters w/ some cool powers. You do have a point, and it's always been odd whenever I bring Kasumi on missions where she would be in a fire fight. Her suit matches her profession, but once again she doesn't have proper armor that is intended for front line combat.

Same deal w/ Thane.