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[Bleachrude]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

 Infiltrator Players should get something like the CELL Snipers from Crysis 3.

I actually think this would do a disservice to ME....if everyone is wearing such similar clothes, it really is going to look like a generic shooter especially if the team loadout is soldier shep, ashley and vega

How is professional military gear and equipement a disservice? Isn't immersion and roleplay one of the big stelling points of ME series?

So ME IS a generic shooter then?

Personally I have no problem with the demolisher outfit or even Ashely's combat suit...

[Fixers0]

Bleachrude wrote...

So ME IS a generic shooter then?

Personally I have no problem with the demolisher outfit or even Ashely's combat suit...

Well that wasn't such a big secret, wasn't it.

But seriously uniformity is a military trademarknand while subtle variation is allowed should be respected.

[conjmk]

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

[AlexMBrennan]

It's not an issue of wanting to sexualize characters in hazardous environments. It's an issue of work.

In ME1,they decided on decent casual uniforms and decent combat hardsuits. In ME3, they instead went for OKish casual outfits and sexualised armour.

If you don't mind characters wearing generic, indishtinguishable armor, then yes. You could have done that.

Uniforms tend to be - unsurprisingly perhaps - be rather uniform.

But who would actually prefer a more militaristic art style?

There's a bit more to the spectrum than "stripper catsuits" and generic modern military shooter aesthetics - that was kinda the point of the ME1 helmet design as I understand it: Have something which could realistically protect the wearer whilst showing the face to convey emotions and such.

[dreamgazer]

conjmk wrote...

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

I knew Garrus' armored collar was cut much lower in ME3. 

[Sashimi_taco]

conjmk wrote...

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

Not on the level of the female characters through the series. 

Unless there is an all male bisexual alien race that looks very much like human males and their human male like genitalia becomes larger as they grow older. And they can have babies with anyone and everyone. Also they are really good at sex even if they are virgins. They also go through a ****ty phase when they are young. 

This started off as a joke but now i'm kind of expecting it. 

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

Professional military gear shouldn't have to look like crap.

But is should look functional and representative of the group they serve.

It should not be designed just to give a character "sex appeal"

[Nineteen]

Brown+bloom=boring.

I like ME's stylized art style, and if it turns into Battlefield: Mass Effect or Call of Duty: Mass Effect, I would get bored with the series rather quick. There's already too many games out there like that.

[David7204]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

conjmk wrote...

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

Not on the level of the female characters through the series. 

Unless there is an all male bisexual alien race that looks very much like human males and their human male like genitalia becomes larger as they grow older. And they can have babies with anyone and everyone. Also they are really good at sex even if they are virgins. They also go through a ****ty phase when they are young. 

This started off as a joke but now i'm kind of expecting it. 

In comparison to the dozen or so races that are exclusively male?

What do you think the reaction would be if there were a dozen exclusively female races?

The asari were brought in to balance things out.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 11:04 .

[Skvindt]

Not a big fan of how overly sexual female armor looks in the game.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to look at.  But it's obvious they are pandering to male desires with sex appeal.  Because of that, it's mildly insulting.

Modifié par SRX, 28 mai 2013 - 11:05 .

[David7204]

And what do you mean by 'pandering,' exactly?

[Sashimi_taco]

David7204 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

conjmk wrote...

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

Not on the level of the female characters through the series. 

Unless there is an all male bisexual alien race that looks very much like human males and their human male like genitalia becomes larger as they grow older. And they can have babies with anyone and everyone. Also they are really good at sex even if they are virgins. They also go through a ****ty phase when they are young. 

This started off as a joke but now i'm kind of expecting it. 

In comparison to the dozen or so races that are exclusively male?

What do you think the reaction would be if there were a dozen exclusively female races?

The asari were brought in to balance things out.

None of the other races are just male, bioware just didn't feel like showing the female versions until me3. The turian meritocracy is filled with female turians, they just were not shown in the games because they didn't have the time to design them. 

The asari are supposed to fit the green space babe trope, which they do. In addition to that, they were designed to be the go to for the female race. As much as i like the asari as a race, and their chracteristics, their existance as a pansexual race of super hotties is clearly made for those who are attracted to the female form. 

As for pandering, it means to appeal to the lowest tastes or desires. Pandering is not in itself bad, but it is bad when the pandering is done to the exclusivity of one type of person to the point where it alienates the rest of the fan base. 

[Ravensword]

I can see that someone is still confusing militaristic w/ beauty pageant.

Modifié par Ravensword, 28 mai 2013 - 11:27 .

[David7204]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

None of the other races are just male, bioware just didn't feel like showing the female versions until me3. The turian meritocracy is filled with female turians, they just were not shown in the games because they didn't have the time to design them. 

The asari are supposed to fit the green space babe trope, which they do. In addition to that, they were designed to be the go to for the female race. As much as i like the asari as a race, and their chracteristics, their existance as a pansexual race of super hotties is clearly made for those who are attracted to the female form. 

As for pandering, it means to appeal to the lowest tastes or desires. Pandering is not in itself bad, but it is bad when the pandering is done to the exclusivity of one type of person to the point where it alienates the rest of the fan base. 

First of all, it is utterly ridiculous to imply that kind any of sexuality is meant to appeal to the 'lowest tastes or desires.' And it's completely insulting to people who have such traits in real life. You're appealing to the lowest common demoninator because you have full breasts? That's outrageous. 

Secondly, It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether all the aliens have female counterparts offscreen or not. The aliens we see are 80% male. In a game with a heavy focus on romance, the absence of a female race is going to screw things over.

Modifié par David7204, 28 mai 2013 - 11:35 .

[Sashimi_taco]

David7204 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

None of the other races are just male, bioware just didn't feel like showing the female versions until me3. The turian meritocracy is filled with female turians, they just were not shown in the games because they didn't have the time to design them. 

The asari are supposed to fit the green space babe trope, which they do. In addition to that, they were designed to be the go to for the female race. As much as i like the asari as a race, and their chracteristics, their existance as a pansexual race of super hotties is clearly made for those who are attracted to the female form. 

As for pandering, it means to appeal to the lowest tastes or desires. Pandering is not in itself bad, but it is bad when the pandering is done to the exclusivity of one type of person to the point where it alienates the rest of the fan base. 

First of all, it is utterly ridiculous to imply that kind any of sexuality is meant to appeal to the 'lowest tastes or desires.' And it's completely insulting to people who have such traits in real life. You're appealing to the lowest common demoninator because you have full breasts? That's outrageous. 

Secondly, It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether all the aliens have female counterparts offscreen or not. The aliens we see are 80% male. In a game with a heavy focus on romance, the absence of a female race is going to screw things over.

I didn't say it was bad, in fact I made a point to say it was not bad. Calm down.  I am aware that you have read my previous posts in this thread, in which I describe my desire for pandering to my tastes in what I find to be sexually attractive. 

[dreamgazer]

Ravensword wrote...

I can see that someone is still confusing militaristic w/ beauty pageant.

Huh. Now I want to see a militaristic beauty pageant. Thanks, agent Cooper. 

[Clayless]

Only Ashley I guess, and a happy medium like the Demolisher, because I can't be arsed with chest pounding military bravado in my sci-fi escapism game, and because Miranda's heavy armour sucks.

I could do without the breather masks though. Bioware made them because they wanted to show their facial technology, which is great I guess, but I would be fine with stylish masks or helmets that suited their outfit, like Zaeed's.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Happy mediums.

I agree, plus armor gotta look futuristic lol

[conjmk]

dreamgazer wrote...

conjmk wrote...

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

I knew Garrus' armored collar was cut much lower in ME3. 

Why don't you take a look at Jacob. Kaidan is sexualized in ME3 as well. And for a main protagonist, maleshep is pretty sexualized too. 

Modifié par conjmk, 29 mai 2013 - 12:47 .

[Reorte]

Definitely need sensible-looking armour. ME1 was fine from that point of view but in ME2 it got to the stage where I couldn't help but cringe if I took anyone on certain missions other than Tali, Garrus, or Grunt. The sci-fi style like the Demolisher armour is fine, just please stop making certain characters look ridiculous in certain situations (and not just due to a pokey facemask in a vacuum).

[TheBlackBaron]

No. If there's one thing to take away from the ME series, it's that Bioware cannot handle a military setting well. They can, however, do space opera very well, and that is actually part of the problem when they try to do the former.

So if anything, Bioware should aspire for the next ME game to be more like KotOR or ME2, the most military free entry of the setting, rather than ME1 or 3, where things got frankly amateurish at times.

[Sashimi_taco]

conjmk wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

conjmk wrote...

You could say the men were sexualized as well.

I knew Garrus' armored collar was cut much lower in ME3. 

Why don't you take a look at Jacob. Kaidan is sexualized in ME3 as well. And for a main protagonist, maleshep is pretty sexualized too. 

What exactly do you consider to be sexualized in terms of a man? Are you attracted to men? I'm attracted to men and to a less extent women. I consider the female character's outfits to be much more sexualized than the men's to the point where I end up admiring the female character's bodies more than the males when in reality i mostly prefer men. This being mostly because I can see more of the female character's bodies than the male characters, or the context of the females is usually more sexual than the male characters. 

I find myself looking more at Jack, Liara, Miranda, and other female characters bodies more than that of the male bodies mostly because they are presented more. When I finally do get to see some sexy male skin, I snap back and realize that I really do enjoy seeing that way more than the female character bodies I see constanly. The avina terminals even are that way. They are pretty much just reskinned naked asari.... I looked carefully. 

And I don't consider maleshep the be sexualized simply because he has a cut body. A lot of men seem to think that male fantasy of a strong good looking male body = sexual female/gay fantasy, but it doesn't. Just because he looks like a power fantasy, does not mean he is sexualized. 

Lots of men think james is sexualized, but really he is just a male power fantasy that men admire and assume must be sexy to people who find men attractive. But that is not true. Women/gay men like James because of his personality, not because of his body. Most of the fan art and erotic fan art of James shows him with less muscle and more facial personality. 

[David7204]

A "male power fantasy"...

Modifié par David7204, 29 mai 2013 - 01:45 .

[Jonathan Sud]

 The navy camo that everyone rocks in Priority Earth was good.