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[AresKeith]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@iakus no comment on the Ashley pic?

If my opinion is worth anything, I think it's good.

Of course your opinion matter lol 

That looks a lot more fitting than her current casual outfit

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

Is that a problem for some reason?

If you don't want to sustain a wound after a direct shot, yes it is.

[David7204]

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

[TheRealJayDee]

Haven't read the thread, but I would've been happy if 1) all characters had an outfit that could be used for situations in which a breather mask obviously isn't enough protection and 2) those characters that actually are from a military background have clothes to recflect that. *cough*Ashley*cough*

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

Fine, if you like it and don't think it's a problem, then it's your opinion. I think her suit is out of place and silly looking. What other Alliance personnel wears that? Why can't she wear fatigues or formal uniform like other Alliance officers when not in combat?

[AresKeith]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Edit: i like the ashley pic. I did not like her style in me3, but that was mostly because I could not see her face because of her hair. It really bothered me a lot. Half the camera angles blocked her face, and her lips were so full they ended up looking stiff. 

Yea I'm a fan of the hair either, I always felt a ponytail would be a good middle ground because I didn't like the bun either

[Sashimi_taco]

@david, you keep asking for answers and people give them to you. Then you just keep asking even though people already answered. If you don't like the answer just say so, don't just quote what you don't like.

If you are going to keep up a conversation, have some input and read through the answers before you reply. Elaborate and articulate your points so that you don't feel that people are not understanding what answers you want. We can better answer your questions if you flesh out your statements.

[Galatean]

iakus wrote...
If you're watching a courtroom drama, and the lawyer's wearing swimwear, how seriously are you supposed to take it?

Hey, even Boston Legal had its serious moments. Occasionally.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

You mean Ashley or Jacob?

[David7204]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

Fine, if you like it and don't think it's a problem, then it's your opinion. I think her suit is out of place and silly looking. What other Alliance personnel wears that? Why can't she wear fatigues or formal uniform like other Alliance officers when not in combat?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that players would continually whine about BioWare being lazy and stupid for reusing outfits? Or maybe shreiking 'Creator's Pet' because Liara gets a unique outfit but Ashley doesn't?

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

If you can't grasp the concept  of wounds and start talking about how suit looks. then i'm afraid we're done here.

[David7204]

This train of logic is a dead end. The only place it leads to is complaining that characters don't wear indistinguishable, generic, heavy armor. And that's not a place characters should be.

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

Fine, if you like it and don't think it's a problem, then it's your opinion. I think her suit is out of place and silly looking. What other Alliance personnel wears that? Why can't she wear fatigues or formal uniform like other Alliance officers when not in combat?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that players would continually whine about BioWare being lazy and stupid for reusing outfits? Or maybe shreiking 'Creator's Pet' because Liara gets a unique outfit but Ashley doesn't?

That's your assumption, and it borders on slippery slope logic. Oh, and no one whined when Kaidan's outfit is the same as everyone else's.

[David7204]

Why don't you define for me where this slope ends?

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I think the suit looks good. Be more specific. What's the problem with it?

Fine, if you like it and don't think it's a problem, then it's your opinion. I think her suit is out of place and silly looking. What other Alliance personnel wears that? Why can't she wear fatigues or formal uniform like other Alliance officers when not in combat?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that players would continually whine about BioWare being lazy and stupid for reusing outfits? Or maybe shreiking 'Creator's Pet' because Liara gets a unique outfit but Ashley doesn't?

And what's wrong with the Ashley pic I posted for her casual wear?

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

This train of logic is a dead end. The only place it leads to is complaining that characters don't wear indistinguishable, generic, heavy armor. And that's not a place characters should be.

Are you suggesting that the style of armor adds significantly to a character? I highly disagree.

Oh, and slippery slope logic is a type of fallacy, so picking apart that phrase won't do you any good.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 mai 2013 - 09:46 .

[David7204]

What's wrong with the casual suit she wears now?

[RadicalDisconnect]

David7204 wrote...

What's wrong with the casual suit she wears now?

And again, I ask. Does the style of uniform or armor signficantly add to characterization? I don't know about your or others here, but I disagree with that notion.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 29 mai 2013 - 09:47 .

[Sashimi_taco]

David7204 wrote...

This train of logic is a dead end. The only place it leads to is complaining that characters don't wear indistinguishable, generic, heavy armor. And that's not a place characters should be.

You're coming from a place of a character's artistic look in order to show their individuality, while others are coming from both a practical stance and from a place of wanting gender equality in terms of character design.

You can have individual outfits without them being imprtactical and unproportionally sexualized to one gender. That is very much a possibility. 

You're arguement is saying that everyone here wants plain outfits with nothing to them, when really you are just taking what people are saying to the far extreme in order to somehow invalidate their points. Just putting everything in black and white of either having impractical skimpy outfits or genderless suits is not a valid way of convincing anyone you are right. 

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

This train of logic is a dead end. The only place it leads to is complaining that characters don't wear indistinguishable, generic, heavy armor. And that's not a place characters should be.

You certainly have a habit of taking parts of your opponents statments and then twisting it into something complete different to make yet another attack. but that aside, I do advocate for uniformity within a military organisation and the use proffesional gear and equipment within that organisation.

[David7204]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Are you suggesting that the style of armor adds significantly to a character? I highly disagree.

Oh, and slippery slope logic is a type of fallacy...

I know exactly what a slippery slope is. And if you're claiming this isn't one, the slope has to end somewhere. I was asking where.

Let me ask you a question. You don't think armor matters. Okay. So is that just armor, or is that appearances, period?

Modifié par David7204, 29 mai 2013 - 09:49 .

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that players would continually whine about BioWare being lazy and stupid for reusing outfits? Or maybe shreiking 'Creator's Pet' because Liara gets a unique outfit but Ashley doesn't?

Liara doesn't get a unique outfit.  It's the same one she wore for Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Ashley, an Alliance officer, gets a silly bright blue superhero outfit to give ehr "ssex appeal" while every single Alliance officer inteh game gets either fatigues or dress blues.

Anderson
Shepard (gets both, actually)
Kaidan
Samantha
Steve
Kenneth
Gabby
Adams
Joker

The only other exception I can think of is James gets a T-shirt to show off his muscles (which is rather silly) but even that appears to be an Alliance undershirt.

[David7204]

iakus wrote...

Ashley, an Alliance officer, gets a silly bright blue superhero outfit to give ehr "ssex appeal" while every single Alliance officer inteh game gets either fatigues or dress blues.

And this is what comes down to for you, isn't it?

BioWare gave a character an attractive feature. They didn't have to give that character the feature! It was on purpose! The story would function without it. The only possible explanation is that BioWare did it to attract 13 year old boys and basement dwellers with sex!

Modifié par David7204, 29 mai 2013 - 09:52 .

[conjmk]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

David7204 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Jacob is arguably crossing the line a little bit. Compare his chestplate with Kaidan's.

And what line is that?

The sexy line. 

I don't know how sexualized jacob is because I never found him to be romantically or sexually attractive. He is the least romanced option and was so unused that they just wrote that he left shepard for another woman. 

This has nothing to do with wether you personally found him attractive. All the outfits sexulized the men that wore them, Sheploo's casual wear clearly presents his muscles in a sexual manner, Kaidan's armor countours his body and shows off his anatomy, just because he doesn't have some sort of bulge sticking out doesn't mean he's not being sexualized; and do I even have to explain Jacob? He's wearing a carbon copy of Miranda's jumpsuit except for a man. 

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

What's wrong with the casual suit she wears now?

Besides the fact that it was added for the sole purpose of Sex-Appeal, That outfit doesn't even look like it should be in the alliance