So they said something like DA origins were all rumors,so who is actually dead and who isn't?
Very confusing.
And did Anders survive da2 in canon?
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So what is canon for da3?
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:09
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I honestly have no idea which characters and storylines actaully happened and which ones they changed.
So they said something like DA origins were all rumors,so who is actually dead and who isn't?
Very confusing.
And did Anders survive da2 in canon?
So they said something like DA origins were all rumors,so who is actually dead and who isn't?
Very confusing.
And did Anders survive da2 in canon?
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:17
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There isn't a canon. And hopefully never will be.
EDIT: Well, yes, besides the hard canon events the player had no say in. Didn't think we were talking about those.
EDIT: Well, yes, besides the hard canon events the player had no say in. Didn't think we were talking about those.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:26
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SergeantSnookie wrote...
There isn't a canon. And hopefully never will be.
+1
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:34
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events that happen in a persons game is cannon for them, Bioware have not given us a direct cannon plot or persona if you will.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:36
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From what I understand from comments by the writers is that the novels that were published before the release of Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age: Origins, and Dragon Age 2 are basically what will be considered part of the universe.
Two things happened in Dragon Age 2 that overwrote our choices from Dragon Age: Origins, one was an import bug and the other was something was a canon choice, but we have been told it will be explained.
Two things happened in Dragon Age 2 that overwrote our choices from Dragon Age: Origins, one was an import bug and the other was something was a canon choice, but we have been told it will be explained.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:47
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David Gaider has said before that if they feel like making something canon to benefit the story they want to tell they will do it. Leliana is a perfect example of this.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 05:48
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Oh for goodness sake. Yes, there are set, canon events that will carry over into DA3. Anders' life or death is not one of them, but it has been said that if you murder knifed him, he won't be back. But the Chantry always goes boom, the qunari leave Kirkwall with or without their books, and Varric is interrogated by Cassandra a few years after Hawke disappears. These are events that happen in every single player's game, so they are canon. If there were no canon at all, these games would have no connection to each other. The setting isn't "rebooted" between each game.
The "there is no canon!" arguments remind me of fanfiction writers who get mad when lore contradicts their stories.
The "there is no canon!" arguments remind me of fanfiction writers who get mad when lore contradicts their stories.
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There are indeed canon events but even those are airsoft canon probably. Subject to change if need be. This is the fast and loose impression I get of DA writing.
I would prefer there be one rigid canon that could be expounded on in any way the devs wish going forward without consideration for contravening player choice in any previous game.
I would prefer there be one rigid canon that could be expounded on in any way the devs wish going forward without consideration for contravening player choice in any previous game.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:09
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Filament wrote...
There are indeed canon events but even those are airsoft canon probably. Subject to change if need be. This is the fast and loose impression I get of DA writing.
I would prefer there be one rigid canon that could be expounded on in any way the devs wish going forward without consideration for contravening player choice in any previous game.
This sounds like a completely insane idea to me. Who would support such madness?
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:13
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There is a default canon, but 99% of the people on this forum gets mad when they hear it.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:27
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We have a "default" that applies if you are not importing a save. Some people like to think these are our favorite or preferred results, but generally it's the version of events that produce a result which doesn't require you to have any knowledge/investment in the outcome (does X decision produce a character that you may never have met, or a situation that you wouldn't care about since you never played the game it was in, or is there a version where said character is dead or said event is irrelevant? If so, the latter is the default.)
The only "canon" we have is with regards to events that the player had no choice regarding. The Fifth Blight was defeated by the Hero of Ferelden-- that's canon. Kirkwall's Chantry exploded-- that's canon. If the player had a choice involved, that choice may have varying levels of reactivity-- from having different dialogue, having a replacement character involved, or actually having a divergent plot branch.
I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.
"Plot" is not necessarily "canon". We will determine where the plot goes. The choices you make can impact that plot. Tertiary material such as novels and comics do not override your choices in your personal game continuity.
If that's confusing, then simply wait until more information on DA3 becomes available. Panic is unnecessary. Unless you're worried that every choice you made previously won't be respected to the same degree-- in which case, by all means panic. As that will definitely happen.
The only "canon" we have is with regards to events that the player had no choice regarding. The Fifth Blight was defeated by the Hero of Ferelden-- that's canon. Kirkwall's Chantry exploded-- that's canon. If the player had a choice involved, that choice may have varying levels of reactivity-- from having different dialogue, having a replacement character involved, or actually having a divergent plot branch.
I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.
"Plot" is not necessarily "canon". We will determine where the plot goes. The choices you make can impact that plot. Tertiary material such as novels and comics do not override your choices in your personal game continuity.
If that's confusing, then simply wait until more information on DA3 becomes available. Panic is unnecessary. Unless you're worried that every choice you made previously won't be respected to the same degree-- in which case, by all means panic. As that will definitely happen.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:30
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/grossly edited quote:
...by all means panic...
David Gaider says all hope is lost!
Semi-Confirmed Rumor!
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:32
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David Gaider wrote...
We have a "default" that applies if you are not importing a save. Some people like to think these are our favorite or preferred results, but generally it's the version of events that produce a result which doesn't require you to have any knowledge/investment in the outcome (does X decision produce a character that you may never have met, or a situation that you wouldn't care about since you never played the game it was in, or is there a version where said character is dead or said event is irrelevant? If so, the latter is the default.)
The only "canon" we have is with regards to events that the player had no choice regarding. The Fifth Blight was defeated by the Hero of Ferelden-- that's canon. Kirkwall's Chantry exploded-- that's canon. If the player had a choice involved, that choice may have varying levels of reactivity-- from having different dialogue, having a replacement character involved, or actually having a divergent plot branch.
I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.
"Plot" is not necessarily "canon". We will determine where the plot goes. The choices you make can impact that plot. Tertiary material such as novels and comics do not override your choices in your personal game continuity.
If that's confusing, then simply wait until more information on DA3 becomes available. Panic is unnecessary. Unless you're worried that every choice you made previously won't be respected to the same degree-- in which case, by all means panic. As that will definitely happen.
Gaider, I have a lot of respect and appreciation for you and your work. This post just reaffirms it. Hopefully it's the last time you'll need to reiterate common sense here.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:49
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
David Gaider says all hope is lost!/grossly edited quote:
...by all means panic...
Semi-Confirmed Rumor!
Fast Jimmy, bringing "taken out of context" to a whole new universe!
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 06:56
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MerinTB wrote...
Fast Jimmy wrote...
David Gaider says all hope is lost!/grossly edited quote:
...by all means panic...
Semi-Confirmed Rumor!
Fast Jimmy, bringing "taken out of context" to a whole new universe!
What can I say? I have a gift.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:06
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David Gaider wrote...
We have a "default" that applies if you are not importing a save. Some people like to think these are our favorite or preferred results, but generally it's the version of events that produce a result which doesn't require you to have any knowledge/investment in the outcome (does X decision produce a character that you may never have met, or a situation that you wouldn't care about since you never played the game it was in, or is there a version where said character is dead or said event is irrelevant? If so, the latter is the default.)
The only "canon" we have is with regards to events that the player had no choice regarding. The Fifth Blight was defeated by the Hero of Ferelden-- that's canon. Kirkwall's Chantry exploded-- that's canon. If the player had a choice involved, that choice may have varying levels of reactivity-- from having different dialogue, having a replacement character involved, or actually having a divergent plot branch.
I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.
"Plot" is not necessarily "canon". We will determine where the plot goes. The choices you make can impact that plot. Tertiary material such as novels and comics do not override your choices in your personal game continuity.
If that's confusing, then simply wait until more information on DA3 becomes available. Panic is unnecessary. Unless you're worried that every choice you made previously won't be respected to the same degree-- in which case, by all means panic. As that will definitely happen.
Glad to have confirmed that novels and comics have no influance on what is canon or not as I for one only played the games and did not read the tertiary material.
Sooo.....
The exploding of the chantry and the way it was done...will that have any influence on the next installment? Way it was done as in the mixture Anders used there..or should gathering ingredients be considered at being a quest in the game as a prelude to the act which will not be seen as 'inventing' own gun powder/qunari secret recipy?
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:19
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From what has been so far, the Cannon has been your play through, which is an amazing way of working things, Especially in a game such as Dragon Age, where multiple things can happen, Someone has been murdering all the pigeons I hear!
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:24
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korakk wrote...
From what has been so far, the Cannon has been your play through, which is an amazing way of working things, Especially in a game such as Dragon Age, where multiple things can happen, Someone has been murdering all the pigeons I hear!
You actually get that response regardless. If you never played the Stone Prisoner, the barkeep in DA2 will still say the pigeon line.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:29
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iiReaperZz wrote...
Gaider, I have a lot of respect and appreciation for you and your work. This post just reaffirms it. Hopefully it's the last time you'll need to reiterate common sense here.
I agree, but there's no way it'll be the last time. As long as the forum exists, these things will need reiteration.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:30
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
korakk wrote...
From what has been so far, the Cannon has been your play through, which is an amazing way of working things, Especially in a game such as Dragon Age, where multiple things can happen, Someone has been murdering all the pigeons I hear!
You actually get that response regardless. If you never played the Stone Prisoner, the barkeep in DA2 will still say the pigeon line.
I only added that in as a joke, but there are other examples I could add, Like Merrill having known a Dalish who was taken away by a human, so she is uneasy around humans.
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:55
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iiReaperZz wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
*snip*
Gaider, I have a lot of respect and appreciation for you and your work. This post just reaffirms it. Hopefully it's the last time you'll need to reiterate common sense here.
Oh yeah, that made my day
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 07:56
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Androme wrote...
There is a default canon, but 99% of the people on this forum gets mad when they hear it.
That few, huh?
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Posté 29 mai 2013 - 08:16
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David Gaider wrote...
We have a "default" that applies if you are not importing a save. Some people like to think these are our favorite or preferred results, but generally it's the version of events that produce a result which doesn't require you to have any knowledge/investment in the outcome (does X decision produce a character that you may never have met, or a situation that you wouldn't care about since you never played the game it was in, or is there a version where said character is dead or said event is irrelevant? If so, the latter is the default.)
The only "canon" we have is with regards to events that the player had no choice regarding. The Fifth Blight was defeated by the Hero of Ferelden-- that's canon. Kirkwall's Chantry exploded-- that's canon. If the player had a choice involved, that choice may have varying levels of reactivity-- from having different dialogue, having a replacement character involved, or actually having a divergent plot branch.
I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.
"Plot" is not necessarily "canon". We will determine where the plot goes. The choices you make can impact that plot. Tertiary material such as novels and comics do not override your choices in your personal game continuity.
If that's confusing, then simply wait until more information on DA3 becomes available. Panic is unnecessary. Unless you're worried that every choice you made previously won't be respected to the same degree-- in which case, by all means panic. As that will definitely happen.
Bold part: Does this mean potentially we can see more of Anders if we choose to and keep him alive? OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
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