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[9TailsFox]

Rassler wrote...

Bold part: Does this mean potentially we can see more of Anders if we choose to and keep him alive? OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Probably not because people cry they don't get content for killing something ok joke aside. We probably see more anders/justice I will be disappointed if Anders actually dead you can't kill spirit just stabbing in the back even with almighty murder knife. Justice possessed dead body in awakening or Bioware just burn Anders off screen

[Pcmag1]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Loghain doesn't "end the Blight" to the eyes of the world, even if he gets the killing blow on the Archdemon. The Warden united Ferelden's available armies and led the assault, therefore it was the work of the Warden that ended the Blight. By himself, Loghain would have gotten Ferelden trampled under the Darkspawn war machine.

Blight-Blight-Blight - Loghain kills arch demon - And just like that blight was over.
I understand what are you saying and you are right without HoF the victory would have been unattainable. But than again we say that Sebastian Vettel won the race, despite him delivering just a "last punch" in a long line of task that preceded. So yes Loghain was just a minor character in a fight against blight. But in MY EYES, it was his action (singular) that ended the blight and HoF was a character who made the end possible. Only in this and Alistair kills arch-demon endings.

[themageguy]

Even if bioware were to establish 'canon' it wouldn't bother me one bit.
It's not like I can't recreate my own version of the world via the video games hahah.

[EndlessForms]

Beerfish wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Bfler wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
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What's with the books? Is e.g. Wynne dead or alive in the DA:I?

If you killed her in DA:O, she died then, and someone else filled her role in the book... somehow.  (One wonders how many spirit-possesed mages are running around!)  If you didn't kill her in DA:O, she dies in Asunder.  So, dead either way.

Sounds like a no wynne situation for her.

Excellent. 

I must say I love all the little mentions of my Warden's antics in DA2, and hope there will be similar in DA3. Beyond that I don't really mind what is viewed as canon by BioWare. Mr Gaider's response was very sensible and heartening methinks.

[kinderschlager]

David Gaider wrote...

We have a "default" that applies if you are not importing a save. Some people like to think these are our favorite or preferred results, but generally it's the version of events that produce a result which doesn't require you to have any knowledge/investment in the outcome (does X decision produce a character that you may never have met, or a situation that you wouldn't care about since you never played the game it was in, or is there a version where said character is dead or said event is irrelevant? If so, the latter is the default.)

The only "canon" we have is with regards to events that the player had no choice regarding. The Fifth Blight was defeated by the Hero of Ferelden-- that's canon. Kirkwall's Chantry exploded-- that's canon. If the player had a choice involved, that choice may have varying levels of reactivity-- from having different dialogue, having a replacement character involved, or actually having a divergent plot branch.

I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.

"Plot" is not necessarily "canon". We will determine where the plot goes. The choices you make can impact that plot. Tertiary material such as novels and comics do not override your choices in your personal game continuity.

If that's confusing, then simply wait until more information on DA3 becomes available. Panic is unnecessary. Unless you're worried that every choice you made previously won't be respected to the same degree-- in which case, by all means panic. As that will definitely happen.

didn't someone sue y'all over that though?

Modifié par kinderschlager, 01 juin 2013 - 09:37 .

[bEVEsthda]

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(  And, for the moderators, this is a convoluted joke. (at least that is the intention) not spam.)

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 01 juin 2013 - 01:18 .

[bEVEsthda]

David Gaider wrote...
I've very little patience for fans hyperventilating over the fact that not every choice results in a divergent plot branch-- and that it not doing so is somehow violating the sanctity of the fact they made a choice in an earlier game. Or suggesting that, if a choice doesn't have the result they expected, that the result is a canon being imposed... and that's ignoring the several definitions of the word "canon" that seem to be in play.

Ah,  Those people just need some math education to become more reasonable.

[Angrywolves]

Gaider isn't Asimov's Foundation. Although it wouldn't surprise me if he feels he's in that category. People who regard themselves as genuises have little patience with the rank and file. The much reportd toxic comments should never have been made publicly although ,as I have also experiened the toxicity, I agree that it was a valid complaint. shrugs. Some people will be upset if some character they killed in DAO , DA2 , or a dlc shows back up in DAI. I don't care. I killed Andes. I killed Loghiain. If DAI is good I won't care if they are still alive. If the game is bad/a failure it won't matter which characters are in it or what the canon is.

[Mike3207]

The writers will determine what is canon for DA3.

[Nightdragon8]

and yet agian the word "canon" is losing its meaning because people are not smart enough to understand what is going on.


Also I don't consider Asunder "canon" for anything because its someone else fiction, Not mine.

So unless Bioware is giving its "Canon stamp of aporval" its not "canon"

When we talk about Canon here, its the story that you did with the choices you made. Yes most choices only changed things in small ways. big deal.

I would like to see the Warden or Champoin referenced in DA:I and be part of a ralling call for the Mages. What I would love to see is, if a Mage sided with the Templars in DA2 and how that will turn out if anything. Cause it would be a mixed message.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I vote that Anders being dead is made canon, and possibly Merrill too, who should die of stupidness.

[Twisted Path]

DinoSteve wrote...

I vote that Anders being dead is made canon, and possibly Merrill too, who should die of stupidness.

I'm down with this. I was disapointed when I found out it was actually possible to kill Merril but it meant avoiding sidequests and siding with the Templars (two things I never thought to do the first time I played DA2.) The option to kill Merril to keep her from unleashing a freaking demon on the world would have been kind of nice.

In fact I would love it if the entire cast of Dragon Age 2 unceremoniously died in the tutorial or prologue of DA3.

Modifié par Twisted Path, 01 juin 2013 - 06:28 .

[Lulupab]

Stop hating Anders, there are a lot of things Anders can bring to the table.

Anders is immune to tranquility even if its not explored in DA2. A tranquil's mind is cut off from fade but when you have a spirit imbued with your very soul you can never be cut off from the fade. So naturally demonic abominations are also immune to tranquility but I don't see any reason to tranquil a demon. We also witnessed Anders was able to cure Karl's tranquility briefly by just calling Justice, what if a spirit could posses a tranquil, would it permanently cure the tranquility?

Call me soft or whatever I just can't kill anyone in video games, even if I can stop a single character's death I will. As I kept Loghain alive too who committed a much bigger "crime" than Anders and didn't fought for a just cause like Anders. I simply can not kill. How could I kill Anders? Just how? He is so cute and cuddly! What would kittens do without him? OMG

Modifié par Rassler, 01 juin 2013 - 08:07 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Anders cause wasn't just, it may have started out that way before he and Justice became Vengeance, but after that all he cared about was vengeance, plus he was a awful character not as bad as Merrill but still.

[Lulupab]

DinoSteve wrote...

Anders cause wasn't just, it may have started out that way before he and Justice became Vengeance, but after that all he cared about was vengeance, plus he was a awful character not as bad as Merrill but still.

That doesn't make the cause any less just, its fighting for a just cause with extreme methods. The cause is still just. Its no so different than methods of Templars.

Also don't forget that Anders is doing all that under influence of spirit of Justice, if you hate Meril that much then you should know that its all her own stupidity without any influence unlike Anders. And Justice and Vengeance are too intertwined as Anders himself says. As an example think of someone who murderd a close family member. Killing him might be Justice but is not also Vengeance?

[kinderschlager]

tea_meister wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Bfler wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
....

What's with the books? Is e.g. Wynne dead or alive in the DA:I?

If you killed her in DA:O, she died then, and someone else filled her role in the book... somehow.  (One wonders how many spirit-possesed mages are running around!)  If you didn't kill her in DA:O, she dies in Asunder.  So, dead either way.

Sounds like a no wynne situation for her.

Excellent. 

I must say I love all the little mentions of my Warden's antics in DA2, and hope there will be similar in DA3. Beyond that I don't really mind what is viewed as canon by BioWare. Mr Gaider's response was very sensible and heartening methinks.

they killed a character off in a BOOK!?!!?

that's kinda dickish

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Anders cause wasn't just, it may have started out that way before he and Justice became Vengeance, but after that all he cared about was vengeance, plus he was a awful character not as bad as Merrill but still.

That doesn't make the cause any less just, its fighting for a just cause with extreme methods. The cause is still just. Its no so different than methods of Templars.

Also don't forget that Anders is doing all that under influence of spirit of Justice, if you hate Meril that much then you should know that its all her own stupidity without any influence unlike Anders. And Justice and Vengeance are too intertwined as Anders himself says. As an example think of someone who murderd a close family member. Killing him might be Justice but is not also Vengeance?

No! killing is never justice, there are fates worse than death.
Besides that justice and vengeance may seem similar but they are not. The justice Anders starts out looking for is equal rights, everyone is alive and free, but with vengeance everyone will be dead and free, Anders by blowing up that temple didn't strike a blow for freedom, all he did was kill what he was seeking vengeance against and rally people against his cause.

Vengeance begets vengeance, were is the justice in that.

But you are totally right about Merrill, God I don't think I have ever hated a video game character more.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 01 juin 2013 - 11:24 .

[Medhia Nox]

Customer service is the best in the gaming industry - you get to tell your customers how tired you are of them.

Not gonna lie - I'm envious. Face to face - that would never be acceptable.

Note: I totally agree with everything said about whiny customers - but still, it's impressive what's acceptable online.

[Angrywolves]

I feel Gaider made s mistake killing Wynne off in one of the books. It makes it virtually impossible for her to be in DAI. If she had to die it would have made more sense for her to die in a game. We may see Wynne's son, who is also a mage in DAI. shrugs.

[Nightdragon8]

DinoSteve wrote...

Rassler wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Anders cause wasn't just, it may have started out that way before he and Justice became Vengeance, but after that all he cared about was vengeance, plus he was a awful character not as bad as Merrill but still.

That doesn't make the cause any less just, its fighting for a just cause with extreme methods. The cause is still just. Its no so different than methods of Templars.

Also don't forget that Anders is doing all that under influence of spirit of Justice, if you hate Meril that much then you should know that its all her own stupidity without any influence unlike Anders. And Justice and Vengeance are too intertwined as Anders himself says. As an example think of someone who murderd a close family member. Killing him might be Justice but is not also Vengeance?

No! killing is never justice, there are fates worse than death.
Besides that justice and vengeance may seem similar but they are not. The justice Anders starts out looking for is equal rights, everyone is alive and free, but with vengeance everyone will be dead and free, Anders by blowing up that temple didn't strike a blow for freedom, all he did was kill what he was seeking vengeance against and rally people against his cause.

Vengeance begets vengeance, were is the justice in that.

But you are totally right about Merrill, God I don't think I have ever hated a video game character more.

Well Anders just lit the fuse for the Mage/Templar war. It was building up he was the one who set it off. And he is dead in 2/3 of my playthroughs. Not that I agree with his actions, killing innocent people to make a point IS terrorism. And I am not going to sugar coat it. Thats at least something you can say Mcvay did, He did attack a government building. I still don't agree what he did was "right" just that at least he ddn't take it out on random people.

Also I believe its been said that if you killed Anders he is dead from now on.No Scroll of Rez for him.

As for Merrill... I have to say I dislike people who don't see the people around them, and see how there own actions can or will effect them. It shows complete lack of forsight.

[Sweawm]

Twisted Path wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I vote that Anders being dead is made canon, and possibly Merrill too, who should die of stupidness.

I'm down with this. I was disapointed when I found out it was actually possible to kill Merril but it meant avoiding sidequests and siding with the Templars (two things I never thought to do the first time I played DA2.) The option to kill Merril to keep her from unleashing a freaking demon on the world would have been kind of nice.

In fact I would love it if the entire cast of Dragon Age 2 unceremoniously died in the tutorial or prologue of DA3.

*rolls eyes*

You know, some people actually liked DA2's characters. Better and more interesting than Origins, I have to say. 

You know it's a usual day on BSN when everyone can't stop shouting at the top of their lungs how toxic they are to the previous installment, and act like they have the one supreme view-point. Seriously. DA2 is done and gone. The horse is beaten to the point that you're beating a pile of ashes. 

On the actual subject of canon, people also need to shut their gobs as the question has already been answered. Save Imports are in. Pre-set stories for those who do not have imports will be set so that the player requires minimal knowledge of the previous installments. Never at any point in DA3 shall there be canonized choices from previous installments. 

[Zeta42]

The only canon thing we have is the war between mages and templars.

[FireAndBlood]

kinderschlager wrote...

tea_meister wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Bfler wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
....

What's with the books? Is e.g. Wynne dead or alive in the DA:I?

If you killed her in DA:O, she died then, and someone else filled her role in the book... somehow.  (One wonders how many spirit-possesed mages are running around!)  If you didn't kill her in DA:O, she dies in Asunder.  So, dead either way.

Sounds like a no wynne situation for her.

Excellent. 

I must say I love all the little mentions of my Warden's antics in DA2, and hope there will be similar in DA3. Beyond that I don't really mind what is viewed as canon by BioWare. Mr Gaider's response was very sensible and heartening methinks.

they killed a character off in a BOOK!?!!?

that's kinda dickish

George R.R. Martin and Stephen King do it all the time.