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lol

[Lulupab]

I cannot wait and see the look on pro templar faces when they get cerberus treatment. A group to protect humanity but later became a dagger on its back by going rouge.

[Dave of Canada]

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 juin 2013 - 08:51 .

[wolfhowwl]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

You're lacking a satisfying conclusion, something with a hard moral choice that will inspire months of arguing and speculation from everyone.

As your character begins to lose conciousness from wounds inflicted by Fiona's minions, you are pulled into the fade. You are woken up in the Black City by a mysterious figure. Is it the Maker, only hints are given. He provides a few sentences about the nature of the fade, what happened in the Golden City, and the taint.

You are then given three choices

-Permanently sever the connection between our world and the fade. Forever ending the threat of abominations and demons but it also has the collateral damage of turning all mages tranquil.

-Seize control of the fade (So Fiona was right after all...) and use your newfound powers to remake the world as you see fit.

-Merge all life with the darkspawn and ascend to a higher form of existence (Broodmother romance!).

Further conversation reveals a fourth option...

-Refuse his choices. The ongoing final battle between the Mages and Templars tears the veil completely and a Greater Pride Demon crosses over. The world ends.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 05 juin 2013 - 09:27 .

[wolfhowwl]

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Modifié par wolfhowwl, 05 juin 2013 - 09:19 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

You're lacking a satisfying conclusion, something with a hard moral choice that will inspire months of arguing and speculation from everyone.

As your character begins to lose conciousness from wounds inflicted by Fiona's minions, you are pulled into the fade. You are woken up in the Black City by a mysterious figure. Is it the Maker, only hints are given. He provides a few sentences about the nature of the fade, what happened in the Golden City, and the taint.

You are then given three choices

-Permanently sever the connection between our world and the fade. Forever ending the threat of abominations and demons but it also has the collateral damage of turning all mages tranquil.

-Seize control of the fade (So Fiona was right after all...) and use your newfound powers to remake the world as you see fit.

-Merge all life with the darkspawn and ascend to a higher form of existance (Broodmother romance!)

Further conversation reveals a fourth option...

-Refuse his choices. The ongoing final battle between the Mages and Templars tears the veil completely and a Greater Pride Demon crosses over. The world ends.

lol, and the sad thing is that, that is a possibility.

[Bleachrude]

This may sound weird, but could you be an atheist for most of human history? Isn't the concept of the atheist a relatively NEW concept in human history?

[KiwiQuiche]

Bleachrude wrote...

This may sound weird, but could you be an atheist for most of human history? Isn't the concept of the atheist a relatively NEW concept in human history?

It most certainly is not a new concept, it's been around for as long as there has been religion, it is not a 'new' thing. Good lord, that's nearly as foolish as that stupid "Laws say the bumblebee can't fly!" garbage that everyone thinks is true. And it's not.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 05 juin 2013 - 12:45 .

[spirosz]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

You're lacking a satisfying conclusion, something with a hard moral choice that will inspire months of arguing and speculation from everyone.

As your character begins to lose conciousness from wounds inflicted by Fiona's minions, you are pulled into the fade. You are woken up in the Black City by a mysterious figure. Is it the Maker, only hints are given. He provides a few sentences about the nature of the fade, what happened in the Golden City, and the taint.

You are then given three choices

-Permanently sever the connection between our world and the fade. Forever ending the threat of abominations and demons but it also has the collateral damage of turning all mages tranquil.

-Seize control of the fade (So Fiona was right after all...) and use your newfound powers to remake the world as you see fit.

-Merge all life with the darkspawn and ascend to a higher form of existence (Broodmother romance!).

Further conversation reveals a fourth option...

-Refuse his choices. The ongoing final battle between the Mages and Templars tears the veil completely and a Greater Pride Demon crosses over. The world ends.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Bleachrude wrote...

This may sound weird, but could you be an atheist for most of human history? Isn't the concept of the atheist a relatively NEW concept in human history?

Not really, gods existing throughout history doesn't mean everyone embraced the concept. The concept of atheism has been traced as early as the 5th century BC. How many people embraced the concept over the years is another matter.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 05 juin 2013 - 12:54 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Rassler wrote...

I cannot wait and see the look on pro templar faces when they get cerberus treatment. A group to protect humanity but later became a dagger on its back by going rouge.

i hope this doesnt happen.

Modifié par Kalas Magnus, 05 juin 2013 - 01:57 .

[TK514]

Rassler wrote...

I cannot wait and see the look on pro templar faces when they get cerberus treatment. A group to protect humanity but later became a dagger on its back by going rouge.

I don't think there are any current prohibitions about Templars wearing make-up, and they've already got plenty of red in their uniforms and heraldry.  I'm not sure why you think they need more.

[Hazegurl]

Bleachrude wrote...

This may sound weird, but could you be an atheist for most of human history? Isn't the concept of the atheist a relatively NEW concept in human history?

Well, there was a time when mankind didn't believe in any deities at all. I guess you could say we were all "Atheist" but then again I don't think the term applies because how can you disbelieve in a concept that simply doesn't exist? What I do find interesting is that Atheism, as we know it today, did not "exist" around the time humans developed Paganism. It doesn't mean there weren't people who disbelieved in multiple Gods etc. and I guess you could call them Atheists and be right as Atheism isn't created or invented. As another poster provided the link to Diagoras "the Atheist" of Melos(I might name one of my characters that ).

But the actual theory of Atheism came about when Christianity began to gain ground. I did read somewhere once that the theory was actually created by a Christian to dispute the idea of there being one God and that evolution could have happened to create life instead. So the theory of Atheism as we know it today is as old as Christianity. 

Modifié par Hazegurl, 05 juin 2013 - 03:22 .

[Nole]

Rassler wrote...

I cannot wait and see the look on pro templar faces when they get cerberus treatment. A group to protect humanity but later became a dagger on its back by going rouge.

I'll continue to support them, np.

[Hazegurl]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

You're lacking a satisfying conclusion, something with a hard moral choice that will inspire months of arguing and speculation from everyone.

As your character begins to lose conciousness from wounds inflicted by Fiona's minions, you are pulled into the fade. You are woken up in the Black City by a mysterious figure. Is it the Maker, only hints are given. He provides a few sentences about the nature of the fade, what happened in the Golden City, and the taint.

You are then given three choices

-Permanently sever the connection between our world and the fade. Forever ending the threat of abominations and demons but it also has the collateral damage of turning all mages tranquil.

-Seize control of the fade (So Fiona was right after all...) and use your newfound powers to remake the world as you see fit.

-Merge all life with the darkspawn and ascend to a higher form of existence (Broodmother romance!).

Further conversation reveals a fourth option...

-Refuse his choices. The ongoing final battle between the Mages and Templars tears the veil completely and a Greater Pride Demon crosses over. The world ends.

[KainD]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

If that would be the forced plot that would suck. I would want to support Fiona's cause in a plot such as you described.

[IanPolaris]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

Please.  Your bias is showing.  If you read the books, you'd know that Fiona WAS possessed briefly when she was a warden mages in the deep roads (where she met Maric).  It was a horrible experience for her.  There is no way she would sanction it let alone force other mages to do it. 

Hate on her all you like, but at least respect the characters as they are written.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

This may sound weird, but could you be an atheist for most of human history? Isn't the concept of the atheist a relatively NEW concept in human history?

It most certainly is not a new concept, it's been around for as long as there has been religion, it is not a 'new' thing. Good lord, that's nearly as foolish as that stupid "Laws say the bumblebee can't fly!" garbage that everyone thinks is true. And it's not.

Some of the strongest and best known atheistic arguments came from the philosophers of Ancient Greece including the "Problem of Evil".  Atheism has been around for a very long time.  It's always been rare, but it's actually very old.

-Polaris

[Insaner Robot]

IanPolaris wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

Please.  Your bias is showing.  If you read the books, you'd know that Fiona WAS possessed briefly when she was a warden mages in the deep roads (where she met Maric).  It was a horrible experience for her.  There is no way she would sanction it let alone force other mages to do it. 

Hate on her all you like, but at least respect the characters as they are written.

-Polaris

If you're referring to the incident with the sloth demon, that was similar to the quest lost in dreams from broken circle.

The demon perhaps wanted to possess her, by focusing on her and torturing her with a darker version of her most traumatic memory. But she was ultimately no more possessed than than the rest of her party.

[Dave of Canada]

KainD wrote...

If that would be the forced plot that would suck. I would want to support Fiona's cause in a plot such as you described.

The main character is forced to fight against her and insult her cause throughout the entire game, no matter what. You can't side with evil mages.

IanPolaris wrote...

Please.  Your bias is showing.

Not my fault you want to side with evil mages.

If you read the books, you'd know that Fiona WAS possessed

This proves my point!

It was a horrible experience for her.

But if she can learn to control it, she can rule it!

There is no way she would sanction it let alone force other mages to do it.

After she hears about Anders, she'll probably think it's the best thing to do and force other mages to do it against their will. 

Hate on her all you like, but at least respect the characters as they are written.

Fiona is evil, I can't respect evil!

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 juin 2013 - 06:16 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hate on her all you like, but at least respect the characters as they are written.

Fiona is evil, I can't respect evil!

What he meant was not to take her out of character to make her look more evil, which I think really is what you're doing. If Bioware wants to (edit: and as you rightly point out, they have a certain history in that direction), fine. But leave it for them to do.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 05 juin 2013 - 07:34 .

[The Hierophant]

Rassler wrote...

I cannot wait and see the look on pro templar faces when they get cerberus treatment. A group to protect humanity but later became a dagger on its back by going rouge.

Cerberus treatment is terrible. Why would anyone for wish that? 

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 juin 2013 - 07:17 .

[Ravensword]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I can't wait for Fiona to have all mages forcibly possessed to augment their capabilities to fight the Templar. They'll always proclaim they're doing it because they must, it's for the right thing, they're only trying to achieve their goals.

As you progress through the game and fight Fiona's abominations, she'll always curse you and say that demons can be controlled and that the only way to save humanity is harnassing the Fade. You'll discover villages which are being slaughtered by mages to weaken the veil and allow more demons to pass through, experiments which mages are doing using captured soldiers and they'll try to stop you from protecting the Divine.

Near the end of the game, you'll discover that Fiona allowed a demon inside of herself but she'll claim that she's in control despite her body distorting to share the abomination's shape. She'll use blood magic to control both you and High Seeker Lambert, force you to stab Lambert to prove that control is the means of a mage's survival.

After finally breaking free from her and stabbing her, she'll look at the blood-soaked battlefield where the remains of all the mages are and she'll proclaim that they're finally free before dying. High Seeker Lambert and you share one final conversation where he's proud of you, he coughs and passes away.

Game of the Year 2013.

[The Hierophant]

C'mon Ravensword you just destroyed the subtlety of DoC's post.