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[Chanda]

I'd like to learn or see how the templars make mages tranquil. That would be an interesting twist in DA3 to actually see a mage being transformed, or perhaps to be part of the Rite of Tranquility.

[KainD]

Chanda wrote...

I'd like to learn or see how the templars make mages tranquil. That would be an interesting twist in DA3 to actually see a mage being transformed, or perhaps to be part of the Rite of Tranquility.

Oh yes, this btw is why all mages should get possessed, so that they can't be made tranquil. 

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Even that one elven mage who murdered his girlfriend and used her blood to conjure up spells?

Yep.

If I remember correctly, that elf's girlfriend was worried about him and wanted Hawke to find him, and when she does, he kills her like nothing. He also seemed pretty unhyinged to me.

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I'd like to learn or see how the templars make mages tranquil. That would be an interesting twist in DA3 to actually see a mage being transformed, or perhaps to be part of the Rite of Tranquility.

Oh yes, this btw is why all mages should get possessed, so that they can't be made tranquil. 

A tranquil mage is like a child w/ ADHD on Ritalin.

[KainD]

Ravensword wrote...

If I remember correctly, that elf's girlfriend was worried about him and wanted Hawke to find him, and when she does, he kills her like nothing. He also seemed pretty unhyinged to me.

If I remember correctly ( and I do ), that elf came to her asking for help and to hide from the templars, and she told him that she doesn't know him anymore and sent him away.

Modifié par KainD, 05 juin 2013 - 09:24 .

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

If I remember correctly, that elf's girlfriend was worried about him and wanted Hawke to find him, and when she does, he kills her like nothing. He also seemed pretty unhyinged to me.

If I remember correctly ( and I do ), that elf came to her asking for help and to hide from the templars, and she told him that she doesn't know him anymore and sent him away.

Well, then. It would appear that her fears were confirmed when she was murdered by him.

[KainD]

Ravensword wrote...

Well, then. It would appear that her fears were confirmed when she was murdered by him.

I say if she helped him out, he wouldn't kill her. 

[MisterJB]

Filament wrote...

If I remember correctly (and I most certainly do), it was implied the elf went axe crazy as a direct result of the severe abuse at the circle, as he was mild mannered prior to going in.

Nothing was implied. We're told he was mild mannered before being taken to the Circle but it's just as possible his newfound control of his abilities nurtured elven supremacist ideas that had been in his mind all allong.
You'll notice he never mentioned the templars, only "humans".

Still, that quest was pretty fecking stupid. "I'll protect you!" "Oh, guess not."

People killing others they claimed to love happens many times in real life.

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Well, then. It would appear that her fears were confirmed when she was murdered by him.

I say if she helped him out, he wouldn't kill her. 

Killing someone for not helping  someone is one of the dumbest reasons for killimg someone.

She didn't try to kill him. She just wanted him gone.

[MisterJB]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Well, then. It would appear that her fears were confirmed when she was murdered by him.

I say if she helped him out, he wouldn't kill her. 

You heard it first here folks. If a suspicious person knocks at your door and demands you help him hide from the authorities, you better do so. Because if you refuse and he kills you, clearly, he was well within his right and you are the wrong one.

[Lulupab]

You do realize that elf was possessed right?

[KainD]

Ravensword wrote...

Killing someone for not helping  someone is one of the dumbest reasons for killimg someone.

She didn't try to kill him. She just wanted him gone.

He didn't kill her for not helping him, he killed her to do blood rituals. But he might have thought differently would she be on his side. 

[KainD]

MisterJB wrote...

You heard it first here folks. If a suspicious person knocks at your door and demands you help him hide from the authorities, you better do so. Because if you refuse and he kills you, clearly, he was well within his right and you are the wrong one.

She was his wife ffs, he wasn't a stranger, and she supported the templars. Opinions on which side to support are subjective, but me personally, I don't feel any empathy for her what so ever. 

[KainD]

Rassler wrote...

You do realize that elf was possessed right?

Getting possessed was a reasonable move. 

[Lulupab]

KainD wrote...

Rassler wrote...

You do realize that elf was possessed right?

Getting possessed was a reasonable move. 

Perhaps. I'm just stating it so everyone knows he was not himself, at least not completely.

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Killing someone for not helping  someone is one of the dumbest reasons for killimg someone.

She didn't try to kill him. She just wanted him gone.

He didn't kill her for not helping him, he killed her to do blood rituals. But he might have thought differently would she be on his side. 

So he murdered an innocent person just to use their blood for a ritual? He really had no reason to do so. He destroyed his phylactory and thus could ne be tracked by the templars. He should've fled Kirkwall instead. He would've avoided being killed by Hawke as well. None of the rogue mages you encounter in game have their heads screwed on straight.

[KainD]

Ravensword wrote...

So he murdered an innocent person just to use their blood for a ritual? He really had no reason to do so. He destroyed his phylactory and thus could ne be tracked by the templars. He should've fled Kirkwall instead. He would've avoided being killed by Hawke as well. None of the rogue mages you encounter in game have their heads screwed on straight.

He didn't want to run, he wanted revenge on humans for treating elves badly and revenge on templars, so he decided to summon a whole bunch of demons and kill a whole bunch of people, makes sense. 

[TK514]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Well, then. It would appear that her fears were confirmed when she was murdered by him.

I say if she helped him out, he wouldn't kill her. 

Huon still would have sacrificed his wife and used her blood for his magic, since that was his intention when he came to her in the first place.  There was never a point at which he intended for her to survive their reunion.

[KainD]

TK514 wrote...

Huon still would have sacrificed his wife and used her blood for his magic, since that was his intention when he came to her in the first place.  There was never a point at which he intended for her to survive their reunion.

You can't know that, its all assumptions. 

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So he murdered an innocent person just to use their blood for a ritual? He really had no reason to do so. He destroyed his phylactory and thus could ne be tracked by the templars. He should've fled Kirkwall instead. He would've avoided being killed by Hawke as well. None of the rogue mages you encounter in game have their heads screwed on straight.

He didn't want to run, he wanted revenge on humans for treating elves badly and revenge on templars, so he decided to summon a whole bunch of demons and kill a whole bunch of people, makes sense. 

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

[MisterJB]

KainD wrote...
She was his wife ffs, he wasn't a stranger, and she supported the templars. Opinions on which side to support are subjective, but me personally, I don't feel any empathy for her what so ever. 

And no husband ever murdered his wife. 
Clearly, she had good reason to fear him and thus good reason to deny him assistance. "If you help us, we won't kill you" is not a plead for help, it's a hostage situation.

Rassler wrote...

You do realize that elf was possessed right?

No, he wasn't. He summons a few demons but that's it.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 juin 2013 - 09:53 .

[KainD]

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Nothing wrong with that. You either have rights equality OR the strongest survive and dictate their rules. 
People in Thedas didn't want equality, they wanted to seperate mages from mundanes and put them in the circles. 
Enjoy a fireball in your face and a town full of demons. 

Modifié par KainD, 05 juin 2013 - 09:52 .

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

Rassler wrote...

You do realize that elf was possessed right?

No, he wasn't. He summons a few demons but that's it.

One does not simply get effects like Anders being possessed without actually being possessed. They diference between these effects is the fact that the elf gets red effects inseatd of blue which is fitting considering its a demon inside him not a spirit.

Modifié par Rassler, 05 juin 2013 - 09:54 .