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[Dave of Canada]

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 juin 2013 - 09:53 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Rassler wrote...

"They will die! I will have every last templar for these abuses! Every one of them will feel Justice's burn!"  - Justice

Spirits are maker's first creations. Angels are god's first creations. Therefore Justice is an Angel. I agree with all angels therefore I agree with Justice therefore all templars must die.

At what point did you conclude that there are angels in this setting?

[MisterJB]

Rassler wrote...
One does not simply get effects like Anders being possessed without actually being possessed. They diference between these effects is the fact that the elf gets red effects inseatd of blue which is fitting considering its a demon inside him not a spirit.

That's just his blood glowing due to him being a blood mage.  Every single Abomination in DAO and DA2 mutated previou to or during a battle; and did not glow, BTW..
Huon is not possessed, period.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 juin 2013 - 09:57 .

[Ravensword]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

Is that the road that the DA series is heading down as well?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ravensword wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

Is that the road that the DA series is heading down as well?

One would hope not. (Probably in vain.)

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

Rassler wrote...
One does not simply get effects like Anders being possessed without actually being possessed. They diference between these effects is the fact that the elf gets red effects inseatd of blue which is fitting considering its a demon inside him not a spirit.

That's just his blood glowing due to him being a blood mage.  Every single Abomination in DAO and DA2 mutated previou to or during a battle; and did not glow, BTW..
Huon is not possessed, period.

Because those Abominations are forced. When the merging is willing and the hosts actually wants to be possessed they don't turn into horrific beings and keep their appearances. Connor Anders and Houn along with several other abominations are like this.

[The Elder King]

Ravensword wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

Is that the road that the DA series is heading down as well?

I hope not. Both sides could be very well be morally grey. There's no need to recycle the Cerberus treatment in DA3.

[Dave of Canada]

Ravensword wrote...

Is that the road that the DA series is heading down as well?

Considering most pro-magers force the fact that it's good vs evil down our throat, I assume so. I'm just going with the flow.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 juin 2013 - 10:03 .

[Abraham_uk]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

Mages are already that way...

It's nothing new for mages to be villains.

In the Dragon Age universe it does make sense. Dabbling in magic is a risky choice that can lead to all kinds of nasty consequences.

Wanting to rid the world of mages seems necessary. Simply because mages literally are that dangerous. They have incredible power that they literally can't control. The world of Theadas would be safer without them.

If the writers didn't want anyone to come to that conclusion, then why is it that nearly every mage we encounter is hostile?

Why is there no examples of magic being used to aid farmers.
Help construct buildings with telekinesis.
I'm sure magic could have it's uses in manufacturing.

Okay magic is used to cure diseases.

But come on. Mostly combat. So forgive me for thinking that mages are walking nuclear bombs. Because that is pretty much how they're portrayed.

Unless I see more positive examples or at least more non-combat examples of magic and mages, I'm going to unleash my inner Fenris on every mage in Theadas.

Provide more non combat uses for mages, or see their extermination.

[The Elder King]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...


One would hope not. (Probably in vain.)

The only reason that I can think of for making one side evil is in the case they don't want the players to take sides in the conflict, and let one side be good and the other evil, to not cause problem with the future games (having two different results of the war could change a lot Thedas, and it might be too difficult to implement the various differences in the next game). I hope it's not the case.

Modifié par hhh89, 05 juin 2013 - 10:04 .

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Nothing wrong with that. You either have rights equality OR the strongest survive and dictate their rules. 
People in Thedas didn't want equality, they wanted to seperate mages from mundanes and put them in the circles. 
Enjoy a fireball in your face and a town full of demons. 

No need for the passive-aggressiveness.

The thing is that mages are not equal. They possess skills that other people do not. Now that would be all well and good, but the problem is that they are at risk of being possessed by demons. I believe there have been accounts of mages being possessed by demons and going on a rampage across the countrside while while templars try to subdue the abominations. I believe they also receive help from Circle mages in this situation.

If they are so afraid and distrusting of mages, why not send them to the Tevinter Imperium. The Imperium is currently fighting a losing war against the Qunari.

[MisterJB]

Rassler wrote...
Because those Abominations are forced. When the merging is willing and the hosts actually wants to be possessed they don't turn into horrific beings and keep their appearances. Connor Anders and Houn along with several other abominations are like this.

Connor does transform in the real world, just try to kill him. Second, there is nothing in the lore that even suggests willing possessions do not lead to mutations, that is just your assumption.
Stop trying to hide the evil actions of mages behind spirits.

[Lulupab]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

There is no similarity between mages and cerberus at all. If anyone is geting cerberus treatmeant that will be Templars:

Cerberus was created to protect humanity

Templars were created to protect humanity.

Cerberus gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named illusive man.

Templars gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named Lambert.

Cerberus became a dagger in humanity back instead of protecting it

Templars became a dagger in hamunaity back instead of protectiong it

Modifié par Rassler, 05 juin 2013 - 10:10 .

[KainD]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Considering most pro-magers force the fact that it's good vs evil down our throat..

Even though I would love to slaughter every and each templar, it's totally not. This conflict is subjective and grey as hell. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ah yes, the heroic mage freedom fighters who are only possessed by demons because the evil Templars abuse them, we have dismissed these claims.

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

Rassler wrote...
Because those Abominations are forced. When the merging is willing and the hosts actually wants to be possessed they don't turn into horrific beings and keep their appearances. Connor Anders and Houn along with several other abominations are like this.

Connor does transform in the real world, just try to kill him. Second, there is nothing in the lore that even suggests willing possessions do not lead to mutations, that is just your assumption.
Stop trying to hide the evil actions of mages behind spirits.

Deny me all you want. My point still stands and there is NO WAY to ensure Houn was not possed as there is no sure way to tell he was possessed as well.

[Ravensword]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Is that the road that the DA series is heading down as well?

Considering most pro-magers force the fact that it's good vs evil down our throat, I assume so. I'm just going with the flow.

I hate that dichotomy. Most pro-magers would have you believe that it's templars who are evil and vice versa.

[KainD]

Ravensword wrote...

I hate that dichotomy. Most pro-magers would have you believe that it's templars who are evil and vice versa.

Because there's is no real debate to be had. One side likes oranges and the other side likes apples. 
Most templar supporters say Security>Freedom. I say Freedom>Security. And that's basically it, that's where all the fight start, but they have no fruit because it's just subjective. 

[Lulupab]

FYI I'm just pro Anders which automatically makes me pro mage.

[jaza]

KainD wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Considering most pro-magers force the fact that it's good vs evil down our throat..

Even though I would love to slaughter every and each templar, it's totally not. This conflict is subjective and grey as hell. 

Could you be any more ****ing cringe worthy?

[MisterJB]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Nothing wrong with that. You either have rights equality OR the strongest survive and dictate their rules. 
People in Thedas didn't want equality, they wanted to seperate mages from mundanes and put them in the circles. 
Enjoy a fireball in your face and a town full of demons. 

Oh boy, by this logic, it was the mages who first refused "equality" when they enslaved non-mages in Tevinter. Therefore, following your own logic, there was nothing wrong with the non-mages extablishing the Circle system because "the strongest survive and dictate their rules".

Your own logic doesn't support your actions.

[TK514]

Small organization, working in independent cells with limited central oversight vs small organization, residing in independent Circles with limited central oversight.

Self equipping and self funding via owning the means of production for everything they need (arms production at the very least), as well as receiving outside additional funding vs Self equipping and self funding via owning the means of production (enchantments and magical goods), as well as receiving additional outside funding.

Capable of Making an army of compliant, resilient troops out of innocents through Indoctrination vs Capable of making an army of compliant, resilient troops out of innocents through demonic possession...

Once part of the Alliance before breaking away and perusing their own agenda vs Once part of the Chantry before breaking away and persuing their own agenda...

Mages sound like Cerberus to me.

[KainD]

MisterJB wrote...

Your own logic doesn't support your actions.

No it does. Mundanes are justified to lock up mages in circles and mages are justified to throw fireballs in their faces. 

[Ravensword]

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I hate that dichotomy. Most pro-magers would have you believe that it's templars who are evil and vice versa.

Because there's is no real debate to be had. One side likes oranges and the other side likes apples. 
Most templar supporters say Security>Freedom. I say Freedom>Security. And that's basically it, that's where all the fight start, but they have no fruit because it's just subjective. 

Well, I believe that mages can be a threat to society. They need only learn how to resist being possessed by demons, though I don't believe demons can foricible possess mages; mages have to be willing to be possessed. That said, demons will try to persuade mages to be persuaded.

Maybe if there was a way to nuke the Fade, we wouldn't have to worry about mages, no?