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[billy the squid]

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

There is no similarity between mages and cerberus at all. If anyone is geting cerberus treatmeant that will be Templars:

Cerberus was created to protect humanity

Templars were created to protect humanity.

Cerberus gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named illusive man.

Templars gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named Lambert.

Cerberus became a dagger in humanity back instead of protecting it

Templars became a dagger in hamunaity back instead of protectiong it

Lolol so much fail in that post.

Cerberus is a human supremacist organisation. = Mages the ubermensch

Cerberus become a terrorist organisation = Mages break away from Human society to persue their own agenda, including, murder, human sacrifice and terrorism.

Cerberus was never intended to protect humans, it was intended to assert human superiority and ascendency by any means...like mages, using blood magic, human slaves, possession, consorting with demons.


In conclusion. Cerberus = Mages. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 05 juin 2013 - 10:24 .

[Welsh Inferno]

jaza wrote...

Could you be any more ****ing cringe worthy?

Yup.

You obviously haven't seen KainD's posts about Morinth in the ME boards.

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

KainD wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Nothing wrong with that. You either have rights equality OR the strongest survive and dictate their rules. 
People in Thedas didn't want equality, they wanted to seperate mages from mundanes and put them in the circles. 
Enjoy a fireball in your face and a town full of demons. 

Oh boy, by this logic, it was the mages who first refused "equality" when they enslaved non-mages in Tevinter. Therefore, following your own logic, there was nothing wrong with the non-mages extablishing the Circle system because "the strongest survive and dictate their rules".

Your own logic doesn't support your actions.

Just to add, Tevinter didn't make their own none-mages slaves. Well most of the time. They are still none-mage royal families there, they are in lesser position than magisters but still royalties. Tevinters are utter racist and they wanted their non-mages to breed Tevinter mages. Also they didn't act too different than Orlais when they conquered Ferelden. Orlais didn't actually made Fereldans slaves but used them as such as Loghain said (raping their wives etc). Also this whole logic is flawed because we only know that Tevinter mages enslaved foreign none-mages so what of other mages in other countries? sadly we know nothing but they were not mentioned in enlsaving anyone either. Its safe to assume they lived like Hawke's family. Taught magic by parents or neighboring mages, didn;t enslave anyone or turn into abominations and blood magic.

[Lulupab]

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

There is no similarity between mages and cerberus at all. If anyone is geting cerberus treatmeant that will be Templars:

Cerberus was created to protect humanity

Templars were created to protect humanity.

Cerberus gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named illusive man.

Templars gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named Lambert.

Cerberus became a dagger in humanity back instead of protecting it

Templars became a dagger in hamunaity back instead of protectiong it

Lolol so much fail in that post.

Cerberus is a human supremacist organisation. = Mages the ubermensch

Cerberus become a terrorist organisation = Mages break away from Human society to persue their own agenda, including, murder, human sacrifice and terrorism.

Cerberus was never intended to protect humans, it was intended to assert human superiority and ascendency by any means...like mages, using blood magic, human slaves, possession, consorting with demons.


In conclusion. Cerberus = Mages. 

"Cerberus was created to protect humanity but became a dagger on its back" is an exact quote from ME3. Get your facts straight or get out sir.

Mages are born mages. Such is not the case for Templars or Cerberus. They can stop being one any time. We have ex-cerberus, ex-Templar but no ex-mage. Tranquility doesn't count.

Lolol this failure is amusing.

Modifié par Rassler, 05 juin 2013 - 10:31 .

[Ravensword]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

jaza wrote...

Could you be any more ****ing cringe worthy?

Yup.

You obviously haven't seen KainD's posts about Morinth in the ME boards.

Those posts are awesome.

[Hazegurl]

KainD wrote...

Filament wrote...

Tevinter ain't gonna just accept mage refugees with open arms. That's competition. They would be lucky to be Janissaries for Tevinter.

1) Need to make them see the long term opportunities.
2) There's much change to be done to Tevinter. 

Yeah and they'll just allow a bunch of broke mage refugees into their country to make that change to their system. I hope those "smart" circle mages enjoy pleasing their real slave masters. Fenris sends his regards. lol!

[TK514]

Hazegurl wrote...

KainD wrote...

Filament wrote...

Tevinter ain't gonna just accept mage refugees with open arms. That's competition. They would be lucky to be Janissaries for Tevinter.

1) Need to make them see the long term opportunities.
2) There's much change to be done to Tevinter. 

Yeah and they'll just allow a bunch of broke mage refugees into their country to make that change to their system. I hope those "smart" circle mages enjoy pleasing their real slave masters. Fenris sends his regards. lol!

Now now, I'm sure the Magisters would welcome additional sources of potent blood for their less public rituals.

[IanPolaris]

Hazegurl wrote...

KainD wrote...

Filament wrote...

Tevinter ain't gonna just accept mage refugees with open arms. That's competition. They would be lucky to be Janissaries for Tevinter.

1) Need to make them see the long term opportunities.
2) There's much change to be done to Tevinter. 

Yeah and they'll just allow a bunch of broke mage refugees into their country to make that change to their system. I hope those "smart" circle mages enjoy pleasing their real slave masters. Fenris sends his regards. lol!

Please.  Tevinter looks after the interests of one nation first:  Tevinter.  It is NOT in Tevinter's interests to back the mages or accept mage refugees.  I expect that Tevinter will officially take a neutral position, but unofficially back the rebel Templars since this is a cheap and easily deniable way to destabilized rival Andrastian nations, and it is emphatically not in Tevinter's interests to see free-mages establish themselves as an important part of any other nation (since that would threaten Tevinter's preeminent place w/r/t magical power).

-Polaris

[billy the squid]

Rassler wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

There is no similarity between mages and cerberus at all. If anyone is geting cerberus treatmeant that will be Templars:

Cerberus was created to protect humanity

Templars were created to protect humanity.

Cerberus gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named illusive man.

Templars gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named Lambert.

Cerberus became a dagger in humanity back instead of protecting it

Templars became a dagger in hamunaity back instead of protectiong it

Lolol so much fail in that post.

Cerberus is a human supremacist organisation. = Mages the ubermensch

Cerberus become a terrorist organisation = Mages break away from Human society to persue their own agenda, including, murder, human sacrifice and terrorism.

Cerberus was never intended to protect humans, it was intended to assert human superiority and ascendency by any means...like mages, using blood magic, human slaves, possession, consorting with demons.


In conclusion. Cerberus = Mages. 

"Cerberus was created to protect humanity but became a dagger on its back" is an exact quote from ME3. Get your facts straight or get out sir.

Mages are born mages. Such is not the case for Templars or Cerberus. They can stop being one any time. We have ex-cerberus, ex-Templar but no ex-mage. Tranquility doesn't count.

Lolol this failure is amusing.

http://www.epicgifs....s/show/6SD3VJN7

• "Throughout the 2160's and 2170's, alleged Cerberus agents assasinated politicians, sabotaged starships, conducted nightmareish experimentson aliens and humans. Denounced as human-supremacist, Cerberus calls itself human survivalist."
• "The Illusive Man is a human loyalist focused on advancing the interests of his species, whatever the cost to non-humans and reportedly humans."

Straight form the Codex of ME2 and ME3 regarding Cerberus as an organisation. Sounds almost exactly like the Mages. 

Pick up your game, or go home. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 05 juin 2013 - 10:46 .

[Ravensword]

TK514 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

KainD wrote...

Filament wrote...

Tevinter ain't gonna just accept mage refugees with open arms. That's competition. They would be lucky to be Janissaries for Tevinter.

1) Need to make them see the long term opportunities.
2) There's much change to be done to Tevinter. 

Yeah and they'll just allow a bunch of broke mage refugees into their country to make that change to their system. I hope those "smart" circle mages enjoy pleasing their real slave masters. Fenris sends his regards. lol!

Now now, I'm sure the Magisters would welcome additional sources of potent blood for their less public rituals.

Or use them as cannon fodder against the Qunari.

[Lulupab]

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

There is no similarity between mages and cerberus at all. If anyone is geting cerberus treatmeant that will be Templars:

Cerberus was created to protect humanity

Templars were created to protect humanity.

Cerberus gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named illusive man.

Templars gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named Lambert.

Cerberus became a dagger in humanity back instead of protecting it

Templars became a dagger in hamunaity back instead of protectiong it

Lolol so much fail in that post.

Cerberus is a human supremacist organisation. = Mages the ubermensch

Cerberus become a terrorist organisation = Mages break away from Human society to persue their own agenda, including, murder, human sacrifice and terrorism.

Cerberus was never intended to protect humans, it was intended to assert human superiority and ascendency by any means...like mages, using blood magic, human slaves, possession, consorting with demons.


In conclusion. Cerberus = Mages. 

"Cerberus was created to protect humanity but became a dagger on its back" is an exact quote from ME3. Get your facts straight or get out sir.

Mages are born mages. Such is not the case for Templars or Cerberus. They can stop being one any time. We have ex-cerberus, ex-Templar but no ex-mage. Tranquility doesn't count.

Lolol this failure is amusing.

http://www.epicgifs....s/show/6SD3VJN7

• "Throughout the 2160's and 2170's, alleged Cerberus agents assasinated politicians, sabotaged starships, conducted nightmareish experimentson aliens and humans. Denounced as human-supremacist, Cerberus calls itself human survivalist."
• "The Illusive Man is a human loyalist focused on advancing the interests of his species, whatever the cost to non-humans and reportedly humans."

Straight form the Codex of ME2 and ME3 regarding Cerberus as an organisation. Sounds almost exactly like the Mages. 

Pick up your game, or go home. 

Regardless the quote that says Cerberus was made to protect humanity at first then turned its back is still said in ME3.

1 totally applies to Templars as well.

2. Templars have harmed or even killed many none-mages in attempt to arrest mages. We clearly see this in act 3 when we innitialy side with mages in first argument between Orsino and Meredith. I think the quest is called "friends in hight places" not sure about the name but this quest exists.

What happens to a mother who resist templars and doesn't allow them to take her child just because he/she is a mage? What if she draws her blade? She will be killed or kill the Templars and be hunted.   "The Illusive Man is a human loyalist focused on advancing the interestsof his species, whatever the cost to non-humans and reportedly humans." Templars are zealots focused on advancing their own schemes "whatever the cost to none-mages or mages, humans, elves or dwarves"

Modifié par Rassler, 05 juin 2013 - 10:54 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You know it's ALMOST like neither mages nor templars are meant to be a clear analogue for Cerberus at all.

[Lulupab]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

You know it's ALMOST like neither mages nor templars are meant to be a clear analogue for Cerberus at all.

Yes but the fact that mages are born with magic but both Templars and Cerberus are a faction and can stop being so still stands.

[billy the squid]

Rassler wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

And thus mages begin to look like terrorists that are out to destroy the lives of non-mages.

Thus confirming that mages will be the Cerberus of DA3. Can't wait to see everyone's faces.

There is no similarity between mages and cerberus at all. If anyone is geting cerberus treatmeant that will be Templars:

Cerberus was created to protect humanity

Templars were created to protect humanity.

Cerberus gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named illusive man.

Templars gone rouge with leadership of over zealous man named Lambert.

Cerberus became a dagger in humanity back instead of protecting it

Templars became a dagger in hamunaity back instead of protectiong it

Lolol so much fail in that post.

Cerberus is a human supremacist organisation. = Mages the ubermensch

Cerberus become a terrorist organisation = Mages break away from Human society to persue their own agenda, including, murder, human sacrifice and terrorism.

Cerberus was never intended to protect humans, it was intended to assert human superiority and ascendency by any means...like mages, using blood magic, human slaves, possession, consorting with demons.


In conclusion. Cerberus = Mages. 

"Cerberus was created to protect humanity but became a dagger on its back" is an exact quote from ME3. Get your facts straight or get out sir.

Mages are born mages. Such is not the case for Templars or Cerberus. They can stop being one any time. We have ex-cerberus, ex-Templar but no ex-mage. Tranquility doesn't count.

Lolol this failure is amusing.

http://www.epicgifs....s/show/6SD3VJN7

• "Throughout the 2160's and 2170's, alleged Cerberus agents assasinated politicians, sabotaged starships, conducted nightmareish experimentson aliens and humans. Denounced as human-supremacist, Cerberus calls itself human survivalist."
• "The Illusive Man is a human loyalist focused on advancing the interests of his species, whatever the cost to non-humans and reportedly humans."

Straight form the Codex of ME2 and ME3 regarding Cerberus as an organisation. Sounds almost exactly like the Mages. 

Pick up your game, or go home. 

Regardless the quote that says Cerberus was made to protect humanity at first then turned its back is still said in ME3.

1 totally applies to Templars as well.

2. Templars have harmed or even killed many none-mages in attempt to arrest mages. We clearly see this in act 3 when we innitialy side with mages in first argument between Orsino and Meredith. I think the quest is called "friends in hight places" not sure about the name but this quest exists.

What happens to a mother who resist templars and doesn't allow them to take her child just because he/she is a mage? What if she draws her blade? She will be killed or kill the Templars and be hunted.   "The Illusive Man is a human loyalist focused on advancing the interestsof his species, whatever the cost to non-humans and reportedly humans." Templars are zealots focused on advancing their own schemes "whatever the cost to none-mages or mages, humans, elves or dwarves"

Except I already pointed out the descriptions of the organisation to you, directly from the codex which effectively renders what you said utterly useless.

1) Pffft, please. When did the Templars blow up the Chantry in Kirkwall.

2) Violent resistance tends to be met with force. And apostates running about all over the shop tends to get the average citizen anxious, which would undermine th Templars position as keepers of the Circle and Chantry.

3) Yep, because having the same thing that happened with Connor is a recepie for sucess clearly. Templars have a crappy job, but someone has to do it. 

Mage freedom, naturally begets supremacy, to domination with that much power at their fngertips.

[billy the squid]

Rassler wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

You know it's ALMOST like neither mages nor templars are meant to be a clear analogue for Cerberus at all.

Yes but the fact that mages are born with magic but both Templars and Cerberus are a faction and can stop being so still stands.

Semantics, look it up. The parallels are there.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Rassler wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

You know it's ALMOST like neither mages nor templars are meant to be a clear analogue for Cerberus at all.

Yes but the fact that mages are born with magic but both Templars and Cerberus are a faction and can stop being so still stands.

The same is also true of Grey Wardens. Does that mean that they're secretly on the side of the Archdemons? This analogy doesn't work as a reason to decry the Templars.

[IanPolaris]

billy the squid wrote...
Mage freedom, naturally begets supremacy, to domination with that much power at their fngertips.

Does it?  I hear that claim all the time, but I have yet to see any kind of proof that this is at all likely.  Sure it happened in Tevinter, but the culture of Tevinter (both ancient and modern) had always been highly favorable to mage families.

The usual answer to that is a version of "well every culture that doens't lock up mages is ruled by them" but even that doesn't really hold up under close scrutiny, and the Templar supporters have to go through a lot of contortions and overlook a lot to make that conclusion (and the Haven Cult is a clear counter-example anyways).

...and even if that were true (and it's not really), that doesn't prove that giving mages full civil rights would automatically lead to a mageocracy.

-Polaris

[Lulupab]

billy the squid wrote...


Except I already pointed out the descriptions of the organisation to you, directly from the codex which effectively renders what you said utterly useless.

1) Pffft, please. When did the Templars blow up the Chantry in Kirkwall.

2) Violent resistance tends to be met with force. And apostates running about all over the shop tends to get the average citizen anxious, which would undermine th Templars position as keepers of the Circle and Chantry.

3) Yep, because having the same thing that happened with Connor is a recepie for sucess clearly. Templars have a crappy job, but someone has to do it. 

Mage freedom, naturally begets supremacy, to domination with that much power at their fngertips.

We can have different opinions. You say Templars are keepers of circles and chantry. They have gone rouge from the chantry and there is no circles in Thedas anymore. All have been disbanded. Templars can only be zealots now since they turned on chantry, the very thing they swore to protect.

The resistance is not counted as violance when the arrest attempt itself is harsh and violent.

I don't know about you but I will blow up every single building accosiated with a religion and groups that order taking away children from their mothers with force and killing the parents if they resist.

There can be limits to how much freedom mages can have but circles were utter failure and can never work. Childen cannot be taken from their mothers with such cruelty and this is not the only reason. The circles are simply too harsh. There has to be a better way or we have to accept the freedom of mages.

Modifié par Rassler, 05 juin 2013 - 11:13 .

[IanPolaris]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The same is also true of Grey Wardens. Does that mean that they're secretly on the side of the Archdemons? This analogy doesn't work as a reason to decry the Templars.

Actually once you are a Grey Warden, you don't stop being a Grey Warden. Ever.  At most the Grey Wardens put you on what in the modern military we'd call IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve).  Once tainted by the darkspawn, always tainted (with Fiona being the sole exception...and under exceptional circumstances).

-Polaris

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

IanPolaris wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The same is also true of Grey Wardens. Does that mean that they're secretly on the side of the Archdemons? This analogy doesn't work as a reason to decry the Templars.

Actually once you are a Grey Warden, you don't stop being a Grey Warden. Ever.  At most the Grey Wardens put you on what in the modern military we'd call IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve).  Once tainted by the darkspawn, always tainted (with Fiona being the sole exception...and under exceptional circumstances).

-Polaris

Not only does that not invalidate my point, but the same is true to a limited extent of the Templars due to their addiction. (With Alistair being the sole exception, possibly due to influence from his magical mother.) The same is also true of Cerberus, due to their optical nerve flashbangs and habit of indoctrinating each other.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 05 juin 2013 - 11:15 .

[Dave of Canada]

Rassler wrote...

I don't know about you but I will blow up every single building accosiated with a religion and groups that order taking away children from their mothers with force and killing the parents if they resist.

You do Cerberus proud!

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 juin 2013 - 11:14 .

[Chanda]

I'm still trying to decide if people are serious in this thread or if everyone is just trolling everyone.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Chanda wrote...

I'm still trying to decide if people are serious in this thread or if everyone is just trolling everyone.

A mixture, I think.

[Plaintiff]

Abraham_uk wrote...
Wanting to rid the world of mages seems necessary. Simply because mages literally are that dangerous. They have incredible power that they literally can't control. The world of Theadas would be safer without them.

It will never happen. Even if you kill every living mage (an impossible task), more are born every day. It's a random trait that can occur in anyone.

If the writers didn't want anyone to come to that conclusion, then why is it that nearly every mage we encounter is hostile?

Nearly every single person you encounter is hostile. So it follows that we should just kill everybody, yes?

Why is there no examples of magic being used to aid farmers.
Help construct buildings with telekinesis.
I'm sure magic could have it's uses in manufacturing.

Because the Chantry forbids Circle mages from interacting with the outside world except in rare circumstances, and any apostate who uses their magic to help people risks being attacked by bigoted villagers, or being captured by Templars and dragged off to the Circle, with optional sides of beating and rape.

How the hell do you manage to play two entire games and not notice that?

Okay magic is used to cure diseases.

Not legally it's not. Anders is forced to operate an illegal clinic in the goddamn sewer. Because the Chantry doesn't allow mages to help anyone.

But come on. Mostly combat. So forgive me for thinking that mages are walking nuclear bombs. Because that is pretty much how they're portrayed.

Yeah, and it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the only time the Chantry allows mages to use magic outside the Circle is when they have use for it's military applications. Like when they need them to fight the Qunari, or the Darkspawn.

Unless I see more positive examples or at least more non-combat examples of magic and mages, I'm going to unleash my inner Fenris on every mage in Theadas.

How ironic that you should idolise Fenris, an individual who also uses his unique powers for purely violent purposes.

By your own criteria, Fenris clearly deserves to die. Are you going to brutally murder him also? Or are you just a giant hypocrite?

[Lulupab]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Rassler wrote...

I don't know about you but I will blow up every single building accosiated with a religion and groups that order taking away children from their mothers with force and killing the parents if they resist.

You do Cerberus proud!

Nope, I do Anders proud and I'm proud that I make him proud. Many Templars know Anders is mage in the gallows yet no one dares to even touch him, not even Cullen.

Modifié par Rassler, 05 juin 2013 - 11:18 .