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[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I thought Quantum of Solace was great and didn't like Skyfall at all.

Good grief, why?

Why I didn't like Skyfall?

A villain with a cornball Oedipus complex and a goofy plan. Sloppy technical details (tracing uranium bullets to 3 people on Earth, blowing up a building by 'hacking' the gas lines.) Mediocre action. James Bond being way too touchy-feely. (a.k.a. being even slighty touchy-feely.) Trying to peddle the theme of technology vs. fundamentals from writers who don't understand it to audiences who don't care.

Modifié par David7204, 31 mai 2013 - 06:11 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I thought Quantum of Solace was great and didn't like Skyfall at all.

Good grief, why?

Why I didn't like Skyfall?

A villain with a cornball Oedipus complex and a goofy plan. Sloppy technical details (tracing uranium bullets to 3 people on Earth, blowing up a building by 'hacking' the gas lines.) Mediocre action. James Bond being way too touchy-feely. (a.k.a. being even slighty touchy-feely.) Trying to peddle the theme of technology vs. fundamentals from writers who don't understand it to audiences who don't care.

How does that make Quantum good though?

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

[Steelcan]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

The gorram dreams beg to differ.

[David7204]

A good villain with a solid plan and motive. Smooth, beautiful action. (The knife fight in the hotel at the beginning is everything I think a fight scene should be. Fast, brutal, intimate, and to-the-point.) Lots of great scenery, good characters. Touching moments here and there without being at all mopey. James Bond being James Bond.

And yeah, also a lot more cynical. Does that surprise you? 

Modifié par David7204, 31 mai 2013 - 06:18 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

A good villain with a solid plan and motive. Smooth, beautiful action. (The knife fight in the hotel at the beginning is everything I think a fight scene should be. Fast, brutal, intimate, and to-the-point.) Lots of great scenery, good characters. Touching moments here and there without being at all mopey. James Bond being James Bond.

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[Eterna]

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

The gorram dreams beg to differ.

 
It's kind of desperate at some parts, but there was never a situation where It felt like it was dark and depressing. There are plenty of stories darker than Mass Effect. I've seen Law and Order: SVU episodes that were more depressing. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 31 mai 2013 - 06:19 .

[Steelcan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

The gorram dreams beg to differ.

 
It's kind of desperte at some parts, but there was never a situation where It felt like it was dark and depressing. There are plenty of stories darker than Mass Effect. I've seen Law and Order: SVU episodes that were more depressing. 

It (tries to) hit the "this is so sad and depressing" so hard into my head it hurts to play.

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

A good villain with a solid plan and motive. Smooth, beautiful action. (The knife fight in the hotel at the beginning is everything I think a fight scene should be. Fast, brutal, intimate, and to-the-point.) Lots of great scenery, good characters. Touching moments here and there without being at all mopey. James Bond being James Bond.

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That's the part where you don't even bother

[MegaSovereign]

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

The gorram dreams beg to differ.

 
It's kind of desperate at some parts, but there was never a situation where It felt like it was dark and depressing. There are plenty of stories darker than Mass Effect. I've seen Law and Order: SVU episodes that were more depressing. 

Well yea, that's because SVU hits closer to home. Some of the horrors in SVU can happen in real life whereas machine cuddlefish only happen on a bad shroom trip.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I thought Quantum of Solace was great and didn't like Skyfall at all.

Good grief, why?

Why I didn't like Skyfall?

A villain with a cornball Oedipus complex and a goofy plan. Sloppy technical details (tracing uranium bullets to 3 people on Earth, blowing up a building by 'hacking' the gas lines.) Mediocre action. James Bond being way too touchy-feely. (a.k.a. being even slighty touchy-feely.) Trying to peddle the theme of technology vs. fundamentals from writers who don't understand it to audiences who don't care.

That certainly explains why Skyfall has been called the best Bond in years. With Javier Bardem being called the best Bond Villain ever. With adequate and realistic action and suspense to build up to that action. With James Bond being Bond. There's no way you can claim "touchy-feely" about Bond when in Quantum of Solace he was on a quest for vengeance after Vesper got killed. 

I'm fine with you saying QoS is better than Skyfall. That's opinion. I'm not fine with you saying that no one liked Skyfall as compared to QoS. In fact, QoS is considered one of the worst Bond films in canon.

I take it you've never read anything by Ian Fleming.

You must think MWTGG is perfect then. And you must hate Casino Royale and OHMSS.

[Nicegil2012]

How can you hate the Citadel DLC? I thought it was the most fun of all Mass effect games DLC but I will say Shadow Broker was better. I guess I have to get used to people complaining about many things. Oh well.

[David7204]

He plays both sides of a coup to gain control over the water supply and hence significant control over the country. Simple, effective, and grounded. Also packed up by a historical precedent.

[David7204]

The original Law and Order is generally much more serious and cynical than SVU. It's also much better. At least it was when Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterson were there as Lennie Briscoe and Jack McCoy. Both of them were completely outstanding. The new guys all suck.

Modifié par David7204, 31 mai 2013 - 06:24 .

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

The gorram dreams beg to differ.

 
It's kind of desperate at some parts, but there was never a situation where It felt like it was dark and depressing. There are plenty of stories darker than Mass Effect. I've seen Law and Order: SVU episodes that were more depressing. 

Well yea, that's because SVU hits closer to home. Some of the horrors in SVU can happen in real life whereas machine cuddlefish only happen on a bad shroom trip.

Shaggy from Scooby-Doo must see them all the time then

[Eterna]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 The DLC doesn't really fit with ME3's story, true.  But I think that was the point.  The oppressive, inescapable gloom of the endings cast a pall over Mass Efefct in general, so they decided to make a lighter, more fanciful story for the final DLC.  Something that lets people take away  a more positive outlook on Commander Shepard's journey.  And thus, more receptive to purchasing more Mass Effect games.

It's not meant to fit in with the rest of the tale, it's more of a "farewell tour"

Mass Effect 3 isn't even that gloomy. 

The gorram dreams beg to differ.

 
It's kind of desperate at some parts, but there was never a situation where It felt like it was dark and depressing. There are plenty of stories darker than Mass Effect. I've seen Law and Order: SVU episodes that were more depressing. 

Well yea, that's because SVU hits closer to home. Some of the horrors in SVU can happen in real life whereas machine cuddlefish only happen on a bad shroom trip.

The point I guess,  is that thinking the Citadel DLC was made because ME3 is depressing and gloomy is kind of silly. I mean, If ME3 made you depressed for the love of God, don't watch the Titanic. 

The original Law and Order is generally much more serious and cynical than SVU. It's also much better. At least it was when Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterson were there.

You shut your mouth!!1

Modifié par Eterna5, 31 mai 2013 - 06:24 .

[MegaSovereign]

David7204 wrote...

The original Law and Order is generally much more serious and cynical than SVU. It's also much better. At least it was when Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterson were there as Lennie Briscoe and Jack McCoy. Both of them were completely outstanding. The new guys all suck.

SVU had the best cast. I'm not even going to argue with you on this.

[Bleachrude]

The clone is an interesting choice....

If the "reveal" had been anybody else, I think a lot of people would ALSO complain, "who the hell is this gal/guy" since it IS supposed to be a mystery....and the reveal should have some connection to you...

That I think is due to the nature of the Mass Effect series itself since in a mystery, a lot of the times the reveal is someone that the protagonist knows or at the least there's a connection that was unknown to said protagonist.

However, with ME, you have the problem that pretty much EVERY NPC that could be revealed, might not exist due to save states.

The plot itself, I think works in and I did think the infiltration mission itself was superior to Kasumi's loyalty mission that and I thought Brooks was believeable as the naive Alliance official.

I also liked how they incorporated the DLC weapon into the storyline itself and going forward, I actually would like to see more use of this.

What's ironic is that the "goofy" DLC has IMO, the 2 best fights of the ENTIRE trilogy....

"Last Resort" - the final clone battle
"The one and only" - Armax arena final battle

Wonder why that is.....

As for the DLC itself, that's the issue with DLCs in general (not just ME). Some people want DLCs that expand the main storyline which gets criticized for taking "chunks" out of the main game while others want independent DLCs which gets criticized for being irrelevant to the game itself.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

MegaSovereign wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The original Law and Order is generally much more serious and cynical than SVU. It's also much better. At least it was when Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterson were there as Lennie Briscoe and Jack McCoy. Both of them were completely outstanding. The new guys all suck.

SVU had the best cast. I'm not even going to argue with you on this.

It's best not to argue with David at all. 

He has his own idea's of what reality is, lets leave it at that.

[Eterna]

MegaSovereign wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The original Law and Order is generally much more serious and cynical than SVU. It's also much better. At least it was when Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterson were there as Lennie Briscoe and Jack McCoy. Both of them were completely outstanding. The new guys all suck.

SVU had the best cast. I'm not even going to argue with you on this.

Mariska Hargitay will lead us to dawn. 

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

He plays both sides of a coup to gain control over the water supply and hence significant control over the country. Simple, effective, and grounded. Also packed up by a historical precedent.

Its also a rather dissapointing follow up.  We went from a villain who controlled stock markets and terrorist groups, to a water supply company....  A more realistic villain perhaps, but hardly menacing or engaging to most.

And its Bolivia for Christ's sake..... Who cares what their governemnt's utility bill is.

[David7204]

No way man. The speeches Jack McCoy gives are incredible. Better than 95% of the stuff in the history books. SVU doesn't have anything like that.

[MegaSovereign]

Eterna5 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The original Law and Order is generally much more serious and cynical than SVU. It's also much better. At least it was when Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterson were there as Lennie Briscoe and Jack McCoy. Both of them were completely outstanding. The new guys all suck.

SVU had the best cast. I'm not even going to argue with you on this.

Mariska Hargitay will lead us to dawn. 

And Christopher Meloni will bash some heads on the way there.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

No way man. The speeches Jack McCoy gives are incredible. Better than 95% of the stuff in the history books. SVU doesn't have anything like that.

  Do I need to start posting awesome history speeches?