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[ioannisdenton]

Now that the dust has settled and after i gave myself enough time out of these forums letting myself not beeing indoctrinated into hating every aspect of Me3 (i think i did) i wanna point out some things (replayed the WHOLE trilogy with Dlc from scratch; i am currently am on my Me3 playthrough) :

• Me3 had the best visual style of Me games. And not just because it is a more recent game, i am not talking about texture quality. Bioware put quite some time in visuals. People complain and whine about those 2d sprites (which actually is modeled after Jack) in the intro but reality is that the game looks fantastic. There are tons of details in the world!
  Different lighting , different lightining themes in various areas ; other are more blueish others more yellowish.
  Where me2 had TONS of coffeymakers everywhere, Me3 features a visual detail that surpasses Me2 and actually makes the world feel more alive. The citadel looks alive, surkesh, tuchanca ruins , Rannoch.. fantastic!!
• Music and sound effects. Again great detail!! You can even hear people typing in the interfaces. On citadel the various news announcements make the the world feel more alive again. All these people talking; their personal stories etc. Last but not least the normandy's war room, you can hear Vigil's theme via the normandy's engines. Whoever came up woth this is a genious.
• Me3 actually features the MOST story and this is a fact. Me1 which most people praise despite having a great main storyline, that storyline was really short. Same applies for Me2. On me3 this is not the case, almost every action you make has to do with the main storyline which is Cerberus and Reapers
• Now the quality of the story is not even half as bad as some here claim. Sure the original ending deserved the backlash, sure the choices do not matter as we thought they would, sure the catalyst was unexpected (i think bioware thought the cataluyst as the last minute story twist) but Me3 made me feel way more emotions that the previous ME games. This alone says a lot.

Been a while since i visited this forum and wanted to share my final thoughts about Me3.

[Arcian]

I'm sorry, but how have they NOT acknowledged it?

[NovaBlastMarketing]

IMO my review differs...read in sig.... also IMO Me2 was the best .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Arcian wrote...

I'm sorry, but how have they NOT acknowledged it?

Pretty much. It is only ME1 that Bioware seems ashamed of for some bizare reason.

[Kel Riever]

OP: Stop posting angry. Just because you know the ending(s) are atrocious even if you like them doesn't mean BioWare betrayed you by being unable to answer the avalanche of complaints. What you need to do is recoup, go out there, and shout at the top of a mountain that no matter how bad something is, YOU YOURSELF will defend it to the end!

You are truly noble.

[Fixers0]

Meh, I think it's rather mediocre in most areas.

[GimmeDaGun]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

IMO my review differs...read in sig.... also IMO Me2 was the best .

People are different: I personally consider ME2 being the weakest of the three, yet I consider it being a fantastic game. 

[Sashimi_taco]

From what I have seen, bioware is still proud of their product. They defended me3 a lot with the reviews it got. They still believe in their product and think people who didn't like the ending/game are a small minority. However i don't know if that is their words anymore since that is what EA had people say about the newest SimCity.

As for some of your points, they are valid but they are not things that i find to be the most important when I play a video game. Yes the story was pretty good, but it wasn't what I was expecting from a bioware game. The story is not bad, but it took out a lot of things that people liked about the Mass Effect series. As for it looking better, sure. But having a game that looks super good is different from a game being good.

As for the sounds, you could hear all those sound in me2. Have you had it more in me2 as well. You also had those sounds and side conversations in me1.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Bioware has seemed to have swept me3 more or less under the rug, but I think that's for the best. Too much nerd drama and overemotional folks come out of the woodwork whenever it's mentioned.

[Linkenski]

Trust me, Mass Effect 3 did make me more emotionally connected than the others but one of the reasons is that we saw the same characters that we knew and loved reappear, but in a chapter where everything was on the line so we feared we might lose them, and when we did it really got to us. That said, my problem is still that there are too many narrative hitches or cringeworthy dialogue, even more than there was in ME2 and the plot just lacks depth, wheras in Mass Effect 2 i felt like i was really immersed in the universe and i felt the scope of the galaxy. In Mass Effect 3 the scope does feel bigger, but we didn't get to really see or connect with all these different places and it hurt the immersion.

The most precise thing to say about Mass Effect 3's main problems is that the game simply lacks subtlety, a subtlety that was very apparent in the other games, if it's not because of the auto-dialogue it's because the writing simply isn't always up to the standard i was used to with the other 2 games.

[Faerloch]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

IMO my review differs...read in sig.... also IMO Me2 was the best .

People are different: I personally consider ME2 being the weakest of the three, yet I consider it being a fantastic game. 

That's interesting to me because despite finding ME2 the funnest chapter of the series, I felt it had some of the lowest points too. ME3 is probably my favorite, though last playthrough got a bit annoying and over the top because of all the Cerberus junk. My opinion will probably change in a week.

And Bioware will never acknowledge a game that raked in such acclaim! Best to keep these things secret.

[Eterna]

Lizardviking wrote...

Arcian wrote...

I'm sorry, but how have they NOT acknowledged it?

Pretty much. It is only ME1 that Bioware seems ashamed of for some bizare reason.

Because it really wasn't that amazing. It had a good main storyline and fantastic concept, but had incredibly clunky mechanics and horribly tedious side missions. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 31 mai 2013 - 05:51 .

[ioannisdenton]

Eterna5 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Arcian wrote...

I'm sorry, but how have they NOT acknowledged it?

Pretty much. It is only ME1 that Bioware seems ashamed of for some bizare reason.

Because it really wasn't that amazing. It had a good main storyline and fantastic concept, but had incredibly clunky mechanics and horribly tedious side missions. 

Me1 is great alright, i can play it anytime but still Me1 gets praised even with it's clunky combat(i like it though), reused enviroments, plain underdeveloped characters (some are talking codexes) while Da2 gets burned with it's way deeper characters, reused to the death enviroments. These 2 games do not differ much. Personally i love them both ; da2 and Me1.

Kel Riever wrote...

OP: Stop posting angry. Just because
you know the ending(s) are atrocious even if you like them doesn't mean
BioWare betrayed you by being unable to answer the avalanche of
complaints. What you need to do is recoup, go out there, and shout at
the top of a mountain that no matter how bad something is, YOU YOURSELF
will defend it to the end!

You are truly noble.

I surely am not justifying Me3's faults. I know the endings still with the Ec lack some closure. I do not like the catalyst.
I too feel bad with priority earth beeing as the worst most boring level ever. I still think that the war assets system is bad. I too am pissed about the false advertisement
Myself have critisised Me3 a lot, even hated it . But hating Me3 is a disservice as it turned out for me. Mass effect as a trilogy offered unparalled experience for me and i ve been playing games since my childhood ( i am in my 30s now).
Some of you may not feel that way and this is fine.

[SpamBot2000]

And that Jay Z fella is much too humble. He invented swag, you know.

[Steelcan]

It was disappointing on multiple levels, even without the endings.

[Shaftell]

ME3 is a hell of a game, I thoroughly enjoyed playing it and had some of the best moments in the trilogy. The EC and the DLC's made the game much more complete (especially Leviathan, Javik, and Citadel). ME3 is a bit buggy though and not as polished as ME2. Despite that, ME3 was fantastic in its own right. I even played some of the blockbuster games such as Witcher 2, Skyrim, Dark Souls just to see if I was deluded by the MEU. I liked ME3 more than any of those games even though all those titles were great on their own I keep coming back to ME3. People need to admit, there's more good than bad in ME3. That is a fact.

[dreamgazer]

It's a decent Mass Effect game with subpar writing in many areas.

[Shaftell]

ZacTB wrote...

With DLC it is my favourite game. Only thing I disagree with is visuals. In most parts it is better (detail in faces) however when you compare Liara to Councillor Tevos, for example, they look completely different. Tevos looks like she should be in Mass Effect 1 whereas people like Liara and Samara have more detailed faces, sometimes it just looks weird. Also too many generic Asari, Human, Turian and Salarian NPC's and other races as well to a lesser extent.

However I think that with DLC, it easily ties with 2 as my favourite Mass Effect games. 2 was great because of the squad mate/loyalty/recruitment system as well as the Suicide Mission, I find that really interesting and fun to play. But Mass Effect 3 is great as well because of how close you get to your squad, and how they feel like Shepard's family. The game is a lot more personal and makes Shepard seem like a real person and I actually think 3 has the best story out of all three games. I find the whole uniting galaxy thing great and arcs like Tuchanka and Rannoch are so well written (like Mordin and Legion's sacrifices).

Also Citadel DLC, Leviathan and From Ashes are great DLC's I think, and Omega is decent enough. Javik is a great squadmate and offers new perspective to the Reapers and opinions on things, I like how much he contrasts with Liara and I think there relationship is really interesting and fits well into the story. I liked that he said he would write a book with her when the war was over because I could imagine them being together after the Reaper War, it makes a lot more sense for Liara to be with Javik than Shepard, especially since you begin to see Javik get nicer towards the end of the game as Shepard and Liara's personality rubs off on him a bit. I'm glad Javik is in the game, definitely one of the most interesting squad mates and I consider him vital to the story. The gameplay is also improved a lot, especially the weapon system. And with Extended Cut for the extra scenes and Leviathan DLC for context, I really like the ending. I think Mass Effect 3 does emotion really well also.

Edit: I do think Mass Effect 3 without DLC feels very rushed. Even From Ashes (the actual mission part) and Omega feel rushed too me as well, but I can forgive that now. 

Javik is the only character that isn't a yes man. In fact, he's the only character who consistently challenges his views. He's integral for the best ME3 experience.

[txgoldrush]

Linkenski wrote...

Trust me, Mass Effect 3 did make me more emotionally connected than the others but one of the reasons is that we saw the same characters that we knew and loved reappear, but in a chapter where everything was on the line so we feared we might lose them, and when we did it really got to us. That said, my problem is still that there are too many narrative hitches or cringeworthy dialogue, even more than there was in ME2 and the plot just lacks depth, wheras in Mass Effect 2 i felt like i was really immersed in the universe and i felt the scope of the galaxy. In Mass Effect 3 the scope does feel bigger, but we didn't get to really see or connect with all these different places and it hurt the immersion.

The most precise thing to say about Mass Effect 3's main problems is that the game simply lacks subtlety, a subtlety that was very apparent in the other games, if it's not because of the auto-dialogue it's because the writing simply isn't always up to the standard i was used to with the other 2 games.

Wow.....ummm no.

ME2's plot was by FAR, the weakest of the series. In fact, it is so weak, that really the side plots take over the game...ME2 is a great crime drama, but when it comes to the Collectors, it just drops the ball in areas except for theme. And ME2's plot has more narrative hitches than ME3's plot, by far.

How can they bring Shepard back to life? They totally handwave dues ex machina here. How does Mordin get those collector bugs for Horizon? How does the VS go from being stunned at the beginning of Horizon to A-OK at the end? What was the contrived reason to remove the cast of the Normandy so Joker can have his moment with the Collectors?

Mass Effect 3 lacks subtlety? WRONG....far from it, its actually more subtle...in how it handles relationships and how it handles morality. Please Renegade in ME2 was pure jerkass, its far more subtle in ME3. The relationships are far more subtle and established in ME3 as well. If anything ME1 and ME2 lacked the subtlety, just like past Bioware titles always done.

[txgoldrush]

dreamgazer wrote...

It's a decent Mass Effect game with subpar writing in many areas.

And ME1 and ME2 also had subpar writing in many areas....

stop ignoring ME1 and ME2's faults to bash ME3.

The entire ME2 main plot was subpar.....even critics who gave that game high ratings mention this.

[SlottsMachine]

HAHA. Oh wow!

Modifié par General Slotts, 31 mai 2013 - 07:57 .

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

It's a decent Mass Effect game with subpar writing in many areas.

And ME1 and ME2 also had subpar writing in many areas....

stop ignoring ME1 and ME2's faults to bash ME3.

The entire ME2 main plot was subpar.....even critics who gave that game high ratings mention this.

Trying to jump on someone because of one small comment, Really?