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[David7204]

And what you just said completely contradicts that. You were just supporting the notion that the 'best' choices need to lead to different branches.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

And what you just said completely contradicts that. You were just supporting the notion that the 'best' choices need to lead to different branches.

How does what I said contradict that, David? You're aware that "branches" means more than new levels, right? There's storytelling involved with each one, and they're often hinged on morality and allegiance. 

[FlamingBoy]

Seboist wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ME1 is the only one of the three that has a decent plot.

None of the three are that great as games though. Just the fact that it took three games to implement standard features like rolling and cover to cover illustrates that.

Mass effect 1 and 2 as games would not have become the hypothetical "Great" game by simply adding cover and rolling, Mass Effect prime gameplay function was dialogue and choices and until me3 combat was always secoundary (important but secondary)

You really think ME's handling of choices is something remakarable? "Choices" in ME largely amount to fluff like interchangable dialogue and cutscenes that have neglible impact on the story and no tangible gameplay benefits.

Games like Dragon Age: Origins, Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas,etc wipe the floor with the entire ME trilogy when it comes to choice. Heck, even non-RPGs like Saints Row 3 and GTAIV have more branching narrative than ME.

I had no idea they wouldn't even try to incorporate choices on the basic level of game design no, in essence yes they decieved us

[AresKeith]

David have you played any games outside of Bioware?

[David7204]

It looks like when need to define 'branches,' then.

Would you say Mass Effect has 'branches'? And if so, what?

Modifié par David7204, 05 juin 2013 - 02:19 .

[Lars10178]

I'd say ME2 just barely beats it in my book. I loved both and they're all at the top ten of my favorite games.

[txgoldrush]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, you are just too stupid to actually find what the conflict in the ending really is.

Hint: Find the conflict, then find the themes behind it.

Its not that hard....but BSN manages to be so full of morons...failing to even find the real conflict between the protagonist and antagonist, and the n making wild theories about the ending that the story does not support.

If it's not Amioran it's txgoldrush. If it's not txgoldrush it's Auld Wulf. Until one day, far from now, the mighty moderators will finally realize that personal attacks against other users are a banworthy violation of the site rules...


edit: Well, actually Amioran was gone someday, so there's hope, I guess. Still, it boggles my mind how some people can get away with having insults in 80+% of their posts...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Oh lord not this again.

[txgoldrush]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Honestly I think he only cares to protect the game form invisible dragons damaging its "integrity", so far I have counted over 20 phrases (including its variations) as "missing the point".

He only seeks to discredit the critics not actually defend the game, thankfully it shows he does not have a logical argument.

Honestly, you continue to bash an ending you simply do not understand because simply put it doesn't end the way you want it to, it is "you that is missing the point"

Yes I seek to discredit critics of ME3's ending. Why? Because they want Bioware to dumb down their games. That's the thing. They wanted the ending to change (not just be fixed and expanded) because they simply don't like how it ended, that they want a happy ending with no sacrifice, so they want Bioware to just dumb it down. Not fix what's wrong with it, like the extended cut did, but DUMB IT DOWN.

They can't see the fine details of an ending they hate so much, the details that thematically connect the ending to the series. They keep blindly attacking and ignoring key points against them, and many want to insult and write off Bioware. And maybe Bioware will react to these fans and simply released dumbed down populist entertainment and fall behind many studios such as CD Projeckt when it comes to storytelling.

[txgoldrush]

Ravensword wrote...

Um, you guys are arguing w/ an ITer... so, yeah. Just FYI.

Me an IT'er. WOW

I criticized fans needs to have bizarre theories about a straightforward ending and you are referring to me as an ITer.....wow

BSN logic here.

[FlamingBoy]

txgoldrush wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Honestly I think he only cares to protect the game form invisible dragons damaging its "integrity", so far I have counted over 20 phrases (including its variations) as "missing the point".

He only seeks to discredit the critics not actually defend the game, thankfully it shows he does not have a logical argument.

Honestly, you continue to bash an ending you simply do not understand because simply put it doesn't end the way you want it to, it is "you that is missing the point"

Yes I seek to discredit critics of ME3's ending. Why? Because they want Bioware to dumb down their games. That's the thing. They wanted the ending to change (not just be fixed and expanded) because they simply don't like how it ended, that they want a happy ending with no sacrifice, so they want Bioware to just dumb it down. Not fix what's wrong with it, like the extended cut did, but DUMB IT DOWN.

They can't see the fine details of an ending they hate so much, the details that thematically connect the ending to the series. They keep blindly attacking and ignoring key points against them, and many want to insult and write off Bioware. And maybe Bioware will react to these fans and simply released dumbed down populist entertainment and fall behind many studios such as CD Projeckt when it comes to storytelling.

Nothing but the Ad-Hominen (I mean you admitted it!), again... As a result this will not get anywhere
If the argument is still "you did not get it" (what are we up to 25 now) well... its a lie

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 05 juin 2013 - 06:44 .

[dreamgazer]

txgoldrush wrote...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

They get it just fine, pal.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

They get it just fine, Old Sport

Fix that for ya

[txgoldrush]

dreamgazer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

They get it just fine, pal.

Obviously they don't....they can't even locate the conflict.

[txgoldrush]

FlamingBoy wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Honestly I think he only cares to protect the game form invisible dragons damaging its "integrity", so far I have counted over 20 phrases (including its variations) as "missing the point".

He only seeks to discredit the critics not actually defend the game, thankfully it shows he does not have a logical argument.

Honestly, you continue to bash an ending you simply do not understand because simply put it doesn't end the way you want it to, it is "you that is missing the point"

Yes I seek to discredit critics of ME3's ending. Why? Because they want Bioware to dumb down their games. That's the thing. They wanted the ending to change (not just be fixed and expanded) because they simply don't like how it ended, that they want a happy ending with no sacrifice, so they want Bioware to just dumb it down. Not fix what's wrong with it, like the extended cut did, but DUMB IT DOWN.

They can't see the fine details of an ending they hate so much, the details that thematically connect the ending to the series. They keep blindly attacking and ignoring key points against them, and many want to insult and write off Bioware. And maybe Bioware will react to these fans and simply released dumbed down populist entertainment and fall behind many studios such as CD Projeckt when it comes to storytelling.

Nothing but the Ad-Hominen (I mean you admitted it!), again... As a result this will not get anywhere
If the argument is still "you did not get it" (what are we up to 25 now) well... its a lie

so please explain to me how you got the ending? Because in your posts you completely missed the themes.

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

They get it just fine, pal.

Obviously they don't....they can't even locate the conflict.

Which would be?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Correction: Amazing!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 juin 2013 - 06:54 .

[Massa FX]

OP is correct. ME3 was an emotional roller coaster and the ending (for some) overshadows all the wonderful bits of the game. I love all 3 games, but with Citadel DLC in the mix, ME3 is my favorite of the 3 titles.

[FlamingBoy]

txgoldrush wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Honestly I think he only cares to protect the game form invisible dragons damaging its "integrity", so far I have counted over 20 phrases (including its variations) as "missing the point".

He only seeks to discredit the critics not actually defend the game, thankfully it shows he does not have a logical argument.

Honestly, you continue to bash an ending you simply do not understand because simply put it doesn't end the way you want it to, it is "you that is missing the point"

Yes I seek to discredit critics of ME3's ending. Why? Because they want Bioware to dumb down their games. That's the thing. They wanted the ending to change (not just be fixed and expanded) because they simply don't like how it ended, that they want a happy ending with no sacrifice, so they want Bioware to just dumb it down. Not fix what's wrong with it, like the extended cut did, but DUMB IT DOWN.

They can't see the fine details of an ending they hate so much, the details that thematically connect the ending to the series. They keep blindly attacking and ignoring key points against them, and many want to insult and write off Bioware. And maybe Bioware will react to these fans and simply released dumbed down populist entertainment and fall behind many studios such as CD Projeckt when it comes to storytelling.

Nothing but the Ad-Hominen (I mean you admitted it!), again... As a result this will not get anywhere
If the argument is still "you did not get it" (what are we up to 25 now) well... its a lie

so please explain to me how you got the ending? Because in your posts you completely missed the themes.

Thats the problem, you have  MY integrity does not need to be defended, MY ability to understand the product is not in question. It never was because to do so will be Ad-Hominen WHICH IS NOT LOGIC!!! despite what you claiming it is.

You constructed this absurd LIE that i don't "get" product (this is the first sentence which I have written to discredit another, I normally I won't do this but I think the situation demands it.) You repeated the same lie over and over again for the simple purpose of hoping that it will gain tracktion. That the lie will magically become reality simply because you have used up 4 pages of forum cyperspace saying the same lie over and over again

It is a lie, It a misrepresentation of your fellow man, and its a digrace of the highest kind.

[AresKeith]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Correction: Amazing!

Nah what the OP had was close enough

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

They get it just fine, pal.

Obviously they don't....they can't even locate the conflict.

Which would be?

The very straightforward fact that Shepard opposes the Catalyst's cycle (his forcible sacrifice of others to achieve his goals), meaning it really isn't about organics and synthetics, but the methods used by the Catalyst.

The KEY to the Catalyst's character is the flaw in that he simply does not understand organic life. This is obvious in his dialogue and his mannerisms.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 05 juin 2013 - 07:03 .

[txgoldrush]

FlamingBoy wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Honestly I think he only cares to protect the game form invisible dragons damaging its "integrity", so far I have counted over 20 phrases (including its variations) as "missing the point".

He only seeks to discredit the critics not actually defend the game, thankfully it shows he does not have a logical argument.

Honestly, you continue to bash an ending you simply do not understand because simply put it doesn't end the way you want it to, it is "you that is missing the point"

Yes I seek to discredit critics of ME3's ending. Why? Because they want Bioware to dumb down their games. That's the thing. They wanted the ending to change (not just be fixed and expanded) because they simply don't like how it ended, that they want a happy ending with no sacrifice, so they want Bioware to just dumb it down. Not fix what's wrong with it, like the extended cut did, but DUMB IT DOWN.

They can't see the fine details of an ending they hate so much, the details that thematically connect the ending to the series. They keep blindly attacking and ignoring key points against them, and many want to insult and write off Bioware. And maybe Bioware will react to these fans and simply released dumbed down populist entertainment and fall behind many studios such as CD Projeckt when it comes to storytelling.

Nothing but the Ad-Hominen (I mean you admitted it!), again... As a result this will not get anywhere
If the argument is still "you did not get it" (what are we up to 25 now) well... its a lie

so please explain to me how you got the ending? Because in your posts you completely missed the themes.

Thats the problem, you have  MY integrity does not need to be defended, MY ability to understand the product is not in question. It never was because to do so will be Ad-Hominen WHICH IS NOT LOGIC!!! despite what you claiming it is.

You constructed this absurd LIE that i don't "get" product (this is the first sentence which I have written to discredit another, I normally I won't do this but I think the situation demands it.) You repeated the same lie over and over again for the simple purpose of hoping that it will gain tracktion. That the lie will magically become reality simply because you have used up 4 pages of forum cyperspace saying the same lie over and over again

It is a lie, It a misrepresentation of your fellow man, and its a digrace of the highest kind.

Yet you are not defending your understanding...and instead of defending yourself when I put you on the spot, you simply want to deny it.

And its no lie when you do miss the point, hence, this is why I say that you really didn't get it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Or maybe its the truth and you simply don't like it.

People here FAIL to get the ending and it shows.

They get it just fine, pal.

Obviously they don't....they can't even locate the conflict.

You know, I thinks arrogant to say that most of the hardcore fans don't get something the creators intended. Typically, if so many people didn't get what the creators were trying to say, the blame usually always lies with the creator.

To say that people who didn't get it is a fallacy, an argument of the exclusion, a "no true scotsman" if you will.

I for one understood perfectly the theme behind the ending. I perfectly understand the series up to that point as well. Among the main themes that I'm able to draw from the narrative mess (it's basically that seeing as how the writers didn't plan ahead and more or less winged it throughout the series), organic vs synthetic is fairly minor. It's a minor theme that had a presence throughout the story but was never built up or alluded as the all important meaning behind the trilogy.

Non-existant is the idea in Mass Effect prior to the ending of how they decided to implement the entire ending concept. There's nothing brilliant behind it either. In all honesty, I think Hudson or SuperMac got the idea for synthesis while watching the matrix, and, running short for time and sadly desperate for idea's decided to run with the idea of synthesis as a final solution to the trilogy. To achieve this, they had to comb the series for a plausible theme in which to base the hypothetical theme of the ending scenario. They decided that the organic/synthetic issue was a good idea and ran with it. 

In essence, they had an idea they wanted to implement and decided to use Mass Effect as a testbed for that idea. Synthesis was that idea, and the original ending was framed behind the hope that players would accept synthesis as, not just the best ending, but the only ending. That's why the outcome (of the original ending especially) feels so geared towards synthesis. They also believed that being intentionally vague with descriptions and information was a better way to get people to accept things. In fact, they wanted to ensure it.

They changed Mass Effect to make their vision of synthesis fit into the story, instead of basing their idea around more plausible outcomes, science, and themes.

They should have changed their idea to fit Mass Effect. 

I don't want to talk about the incredibly bad execution of the ending, or the parts leading up to it. That's all completely and narratively baffling, to this day, why anyone would think that was any good.