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[jakl201]

screwoffreg wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Look up the ESRB description of the sex scenes...

Well. technically the ME 1 sex scenes were clothed.  You only ever saw bare necks and a back.  The "action" involved slim fitting space outfits.

Just wanted to quickly point out, ESRB ratings only go up to five points I believe. In ME2, they removed partial nudity for drug reference for the rating. From the description, it sounds like ME2 will probably have as much side boob as the previous game. But I'm not worried. Seeing Miranda's boobs made me think 'hey, at least they are better than DA:O'

Edit: Unless your a Rockstar game. Then you go up to six. <,< >.> Hmm.

Modifié par jakl201, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:11 .

[ZelaineGW]

I'm going to tell everyone that my male shep is a female to male post op transsexual.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it, BioWare.

[jlb524]

ZelaineGW wrote...

I'm going to tell everyone that my male shep is a female to male post op transsexual.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it, BioWare.

Good idea 

[DeathCultArm]

ZelaineGW wrote...

I'm going to tell everyone that my male shep is a female to male post op transsexual.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it, BioWare.

Could've kept that one to yourself...

[Permutation]

jlb524 wrote...

Permutation wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Permutation wrote...

Not that I'm taking sides here but, there are also vids of FemShep punching the same reporter.

It's just as bad when FemShep does it. 

The point was made to argue against someone who stated that Vanderloo wouldn't want his good name sullied by Shepard's doing gay stuff with his face on.  I think Shepard can do far worse than that with Vanderloo's face.

I could have also used examples of the many vids of Shepard punching Manuel, shooting unarmed individuals, or tortuing batarians to prove that point as well.

Yet, here you are discussing a game you obviously like, despite the violence against women, unarmed civilians and Batarians, etc.. And your plan is to prove a point?

I believe I did make my point as was my plan. 

And I play as a Paragon character, so I don't see this optional content in the game.  I saw all that from the youtube 'Shepard is a jerk' video.

That's what's so nice about optional content.  You don't have to play it if it dissatisfies you in some way.

Protesting content that is optional, but then praising optional content? Who's the bigot?

You still have yet to prove any point.

Modifié par Permutation, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:20 .

[Radahldo]

I think you completely misunderstood the point she was making, Permutation.

[Permutation]

Radahldo wrote...

I think you completely misunderstood the point she was making, Permutation.

I don't think so. Do you have a point?

[Radahldo]

She was just pointing out Vanderloo's facsimile can punch women, commit genocide; punch the mentally ill, shoot the mentally ill... and Vanderloo, as far as we know, has no problem with that.
Mass Effect covers so much moral ground that it's really not congruous to suddenly assume Vanderloo would have a probably with his facsimile engaging in gay sex acts.



By pointing out that femshep can do all the above, you miss the point-- which was anchored entirely around Vanderloo-- she was making.

Modifié par Radahldo, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:31 .

[jlb524]

Permutation wrote...

Protesting content that is optional, but then praising optional content? Who's the bigot?

You still have yet to prove any point.

Not me. I'm not protesting the Renegade content and I never will.  I did mention that I was fine with it being optional and included.  I don't troll threads that speak highly of the Renegade options in the game. I personally don't like using those options.  Others can choose them if they wish.

And I was proving a point by using those examples.  The point was to show how foolish it would be to assume Vanderloo would be upset over BW using his face in a gay sex scene by mentioning other scenes that most people wouldn't want their face associated with (torture, punching reporters/scientists, etc).  Most people don't think that he would have a problem with the latter (the violence), but why the former (the gay sex)? 

It's foolish to think he would care about his face being used in either game situation (gay sex or violence) as he is a reasonable adult that understands it is only a game and that people aren't going to think he is gay b/c there is a youtube vid circulating around showing a character with his face in a gay sex scene.

That's the point.   I was arguing by suppling a counter example.

[Permutation]

Violence against women is wrong, I completely agree. That's why it's Renegade option. I don't like using those options either, but there is a difference between choosing to, e.g., punch a reporter (male or female), and allowing a straight man to be depicted as a homosexual, which cannot be tied to Renegade or Paragon. Does that make sense?

Modifié par Permutation, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:54 .

[Collider]

Get the **** over it. I can portray anyone I want as anything I want. Vanderloo can suck it up if portraying him in whatever way offends him.



Violence against anyone is wrong - usually. Doesn't matter if the victim is male or female.

[DeathCultArm]

Yeah puching the reporter was unwarrented, male OR female.

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Yeah puching the reporter was unwarrented, male OR female.

But it was funny.

[jlb524]

Permutation wrote...

Violence against women is wrong, I agree. That's why it's Renegade option. I don't like using those options either, but there is a difference between choosing to, e.g., punch a reporter (male or female), and allowing a straight man to be depicted as a homosexual, which cannot be tied to Renegade or Paragon.

Then, there's also a difference between chosing to have gay sex in a game and allowing a man who's a good person be depicted as a ruthless bastard.  

I don't see your point with that example.  Any choice made by the player in the game (to have gay sex, to commit genocide, etc) will lead to this man being depicted in a way he is not in real life. 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Vanderloo gave Bioware the rights to use his image however the hell they want. Unless there was a specific clause in his contract that said it couldn't be used for "gay stuff" then Vanderloo's opinion on it doesn't mean anything. And I can pretty much guarantee there is no clause like that.

[DeathCultArm]

If you were a straight male, would you want you likeness *** in a video game? Try to see the other side, people.

[Permutation]

jlb524 wrote...

Permutation wrote...

Violence against women is wrong, I agree. That's why it's Renegade option. I don't like using those options either, but there is a difference between choosing to, e.g., punch a reporter (male or female), and allowing a straight man to be depicted as a homosexual, which cannot be tied to Renegade or Paragon.

Then, there's also a difference between chosing to have gay sex in a game and allowing a man who's a good person be depicted as a ruthless bastard.  

I don't see your point with that example.  Any choice made by the player in the game (to have gay sex, to commit genocide, etc) will lead to this man being depicted in a way he is not in real life. 

You don't see my point because you fail to recognize the difference between the "black and white" decision to be a ruthless bastard, and a very sensitive "grey area" subject like homosexuality in a predominantly straight society.

Modifié par Permutation, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:16 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

DeathCultArm wrote...

If you were a straight male, would you want you likeness *** in a video game? Try to see the other side, people.

If that's the case then you don't sign over the rights to your likeness to a game company who has a history of making gay characters.

This is just stupid.

You think Bioware would use a person's likeness on the contingency of having to cater to said person's whims? What If Vanderloo suddenly doesn't want himself protrayed as a killer? Whoops, Bioware has to comply, right? Wrong! That's not how this works.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:17 .

[Collider]

DeathCultArm wrote...

If you were a straight male, would you want you likeness *** in a video game? Try to see the other side, people.

I wouldn't give a ****. It's clear that Mass Effect is all about choices, of course these choices aren't necessarily going to reflect me. Why should I care about that when I've got easy moola. Plus I'm all about free expression.

[DeathCultArm]

I'm sure when he signed there was no mention of any sort of a potential *** VO. And sure they could do what they wanted but, he could sue, and EA wouldn't want the bad publicity, and it would be dropped and done with.

[DaeJi]

I doubt he would care; his face is the face of a major video game hero. Plus, BioWare would be stupid to not have a clause in his contract for this kind of thing. The issue is not his approval.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Vanderloo can not sue. Bioware has the rights to use his likeness.

[Lord Atlia]

Since all the romances haven't been confirmed there maybe a f/f Asari relationship with Samara or a potential fling with Kelly could be like Iona (DA:O sorry for spoilers for the first 5 minutes) in that their preference is gender neutral. I doubt Fox news had any real impact on whether or not there was an f/f romance. The writers probably just didn't come up with any this time around. F/f options have become such the norm in Bioware games since what "KOTOR? (not sure here) that the lack there of seems more shocking than their inclusion to the general hardcore fanbase. They already have 6 romances plus 3 carry overs all of which are unique not just a different character saying the same lines (this actually isn't confirmed and based solely on previous track record) and with limited resources just stopped making romances as that is only 1 portion of the game (albeit a large one to some people as romance threads tend to be the larger ones in both participation and sheer numbers).

[DeathCultArm]

Even if he didn't sue, the bad publicity would outweigh it. Considering you're not a straight man, majoirty of my points wouldn't resonate so...You can't do a VO for a character and just expect them to do WHATEVER with it.



Even still BW wouldn't do it anyway. There's no advantage, and it do more harm than good.

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Even if he didn't sue, the bad publicity would outweigh it. Considering you're not a straight man, majoirty of my points wouldn't resonate so...You can't do a VO for a character and just expect them to do WHATEVER with it.

Even still BW wouldn't do it anyway. There's no advantage, and it do more harm than good.

Mark Vanderloo isn't the voice actor, he's the model. The only thing he has contributed to Mass Effect is his face. Mark Meer is the voice actor.