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[CrookedAsylum]

Borschtbeet wrote...

The human alien "sexytime" no doubt refers to Samara. There will not be a romance option with any other alien besides an Asari.

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Click it.
 Thane is confirmed in the first line of blue.

[jlb524]

Permutation wrote...

I have proven my point. You know where I stand on that last question, jlb524. I wish it were that simple, but the fact is that it is not. I have gay friends. I have witnessed them experience great pain in the name of homosexuality. I personally do not object to a male/male option, but that doesn't change the generally intolerant and predominantly heterosexual society we live in.

Soo.. homosexuality shouldn't be depicted because of an intolerant society.   It should all get shoved into the closet, so to speak.

And homosexuality isn't directly to blame for anyone's pain.  It's the intolerant idiots who treat them poorly because of misguided prejudices they have against them.  One could argue that lack of positive representation is to blame for prejudices.

[Sacae]

I'm proud of who I am.



I don't know, sorry for being random. I felt I had to say it.



Pain or not, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be depicted. At some point, someone has to help break it into the media better. Bioware tried with DA...and kind of, in ME...aside of them crossing it off as 'shes not female'.



Things happen when people start breaking through what's intolerantable in society. If not, the USA wouldnt be here, Africa Americans wouldn't be free.

[asaiasai]

One would hope that after 300 or 400 years and once contact is made with another species that would be enough of a catylist to force people to recognize that caucasian, hispanic ect are not races. Humanity is a race and all the outdated ideas are irrelevant.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:23 .

[jlb524]

Sacae wrote...

Pain or not, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be depicted. At some point, someone has to help break it into the media better. Bioware tried with DA...and kind of, in ME...aside of them crossing it off as 'shes not female'.

Things happen when people start breaking through what's intolerantable in society. If not, the USA wouldnt be here, Africa Americans wouldn't be free.

Exactly.  And Bioware has depicted this content before in the past and nothing horrendous has happened.  It's not like we're asking for something unprecedented.

[Permutation]

jlb524 wrote...

Permutation wrote...

I have proven my point. You know where I stand on that last question, jlb524. I wish it were that simple, but the fact is that it is not. I have gay friends. I have witnessed them experience great pain in the name of homosexuality. I personally do not object to a male/male option, but that doesn't change the generally intolerant and predominantly heterosexual society we live in.

Soo.. homosexuality shouldn't be depicted because of an intolerant society.   It should all get shoved into the closet, so to speak.

And homosexuality isn't directly to blame for anyone's pain.  It's the intolerant idiots who treat them poorly because of misguided prejudices they have against them.  One could argue that lack of positive representation is to blame for prejudices.

I never stated or even insinuated homosexuality shouldn't be depicted, but the fact remains that it is very sensitive territory, and I don't think BioWare is willing to risk a negative response on behalf of what could be viewed as good or bad intentions.

I also never said homosexuality was to blame. I said "in the name of". There is a difference.

(This goes to you too, Sacae)

Modifié par Permutation, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .

[Eternal Dust]

Permutation wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Permutation wrote...

I have proven my point. You know where I stand on that last question, jlb524. I wish it were that simple, but the fact is that it is not. I have gay friends. I have witnessed them experience great pain in the name of homosexuality. I personally do not object to a male/male option, but that doesn't change the generally intolerant and predominantly heterosexual society we live in.

Soo.. homosexuality shouldn't be depicted because of an intolerant society.   It should all get shoved into the closet, so to speak.

And homosexuality isn't directly to blame for anyone's pain.  It's the intolerant idiots who treat them poorly because of misguided prejudices they have against them.  One could argue that lack of positive representation is to blame for prejudices.

I never stated or even insinuated homosexuality shouldn't be depicted, but the fact remains that it is very sensitive territory, and I don't think BioWare is willing to risk a negative response on behalf of what could be viewed as good or bad intentions.

I also never said homosexuality was to blame. I said "in the name of". There is a difference.

Oh gee. They had no problems depicting it before in JE and DAO. This isn't uncharted territory here.

[Permutation]

I'm not wasting anymore time with this argument. Just don't be surprised when there isn't a male/male romance option in ME2. It's not going to happen, no matter how righteous you think you are and how wrong you think I am. This is a preempt of I told you so. Have fun beating a dead horse.

Modifié par Permutation, 18 janvier 2010 - 05:41 .

[jlb524]

Permutation wrote...

I'm not wasting anymore time with this argument. Just don't be surprised when there isn't a male/male romance option in ME2. It's not going to happen, no matter how righteous you think you are and how wrong you think I am. This is a preempt of I told you so. Have fun beating a dead horse.

If these threads annoy you just stop posting in them.

I do this all the time with topics I don't like or that peeve me for some reason.

[finc.loki]

DaeJi wrote...

jakl201 wrote...


I think that having Bi characters kinda breaks the system. "Oh look, a romance that I can conveniently woo from either gender! Whee!" Bleh.

At this point I'm convinced that you're a troll, but I'll bite this time. Mass Effect is a game where the main draw is choice. Not combat, not exploration, not even story, but choice. More choices means a better game. That's all there is to it in a nutshell. Feel free to disagree and go play an action game.

You are completely wrong.

The main draw is NOT choice and definitely not a choice about gay relationships.

Why do you think they "improved" the combat, cause that is what a majority likes.

Tell me this, do you honestly think people would buy the game if had mediocre combat/story/exploration , but had excellent choices in that BORING game?

As I said, not every choice and possiblity is "great".
Many reviewers have already said that the Import choices aren't that dramatic.
Also if you're renegade or paragon doesn't really make or break your success in the game either.
Perhaps in ME2 it will have more purpose since loyalty seems to be apart of it this time, kinda like DAO.

Funny thing is that over 50% of the vocal proponents for F/F romance are just "straight (hmm)" guys that play as women and want women romance.

I actually see much less comments about M/M than F/F.

Personally I don't think this is something that has to be in the game, gay's make up very small portion of the people that will buy the game and the romance part is not make or break for the game.
Sorry gay people you are a small percentage and it will remain that way.

Gay rights is different from  playing a fricken game.
They are mutually exclusive. I support gay rights as well and gay marriage, but that doesn't mean that every single thing I come across have to have "gay" in it.

Guys that are straight can play as guys if they want a female romance, stop this pathetic BS about it is more "astetic" to play as a woman.
That is frankly odd in my mind, I can see a guy playing as female from time to time , but some seems to do it in every game.

Don't get me wrong I am fine if they have gay relationships, as long as one of the squad mates don't hit on my straight shepard all the fricken time, that would upset me and feel like some kind of forced crap.

So sure go ahead make it an option, make it so you stipulate it before beginning a game so that the dialogue doesn't invlove that stuff for others that don't want it.

Also, if making all these romances from all kinds of sexual perspectives take away time from the actual game then leave it all out.

Seriously if all you think about is playing a romance in this COMABAT/RPG, then I suggest go play Sims 3 and romance it all you want.

[XyleJKH]

Permutation wrote...

I'm not wasting anymore time with this argument. Just don't be surprised when there isn't a male/male romance option in ME2. It's not going to happen, no matter how righteous you think you are and how wrong you think I am. This is a preempt of I told you so. Have fun beating a dead horse.

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. http://www.neoseeker...ect2_interview/

[XyleJKH]

finc.loki wrote...


Personally I don't think this is something that has to be in the game, gay's make up very small portion of the people that will buy the game and the romance part is not make or break for the game.
Sorry gay people you are a small percentage and it will remain that way.

Gay rights is different from  playing a fricken game.
They are mutually exclusive. I support gay rights as well and gay marriage, but that doesn't mean that every single thing I come across have to have "gay" in it.

Dude I think you are missing the point. They had that option in the first game, and the game is about choices. Why do you think the first one was so successful? Because there was very few borders on where the game could progress. However, I agree with you on a certain extent. Gay rights are different from playing a game.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Permutation wrote...

I'm not wasting anymore time with this argument. Just don't be surprised when there isn't a male/male romance option in ME2. It's not going to happen, no matter how righteous you think you are and how wrong you think I am. This is a preempt of I told you so. Have fun beating a dead horse.

You know, it was hard to count how many of these kinds of posts appeared on the DA:O threads shortly before that game's release. My only shame was that I didn't bookmark them all so I could recall them after the game was released along with a "nya nya nya nya nya!"

[finc.loki]

Wynne wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

I don't hate options. Since I am part of the 80% that are not into gay game relationships I don't really see it as an option to begin with.

Actually, considering the fact that a large percentage of us are roleplayers and/or not afraid of gay people, options are good with maybe 80% of us, which would put you in the 20% category. And I think I'm actually being generous with that.

I'm a straight female, and while it is a slightly less immersive an experience, I have in fact played both female and male ******/bisexuals in games (and straight males.) After my first playthrough, I choose as different a set of characteristics from my personal ones as possible--it adds to my enjoyment to see the game from a completely new perspective. Playing a Paragon every time adds nothing to a new playthrough. You're repeating history. Same with playing the same gender and sexuality and choosing the same features. You can do a lot more and it's much more interesting to have the ability to do something else, assuming like variety and are not for some silly reason frightened of "turning gay" from playing a character that you thought of as liking their own gender.

And even for those who are scared, they don't have to implement anything in a scary way. The gay characters don't by any means need to be pushy or even talk about it without Shepard broaching the subject.

Oh, and by the way, Freud thought that everyone was bi and suppressing it. So, before you start throwing him at people, you might want to think about who you're quoting and pick somebody else. Particularly since a good portion of his (sometimes hilarious) ideas have been discredited. Like the whole "everybody wants to screw their parents" bit and the idea that all women would rather have a boner on them than in them.

He had issues. Just saying.

Hence the Sigmund Freud comment was SPOT ON, think before YOU comment.

So you are really using the homophobe card now, lol, pathetic.
I have no problem with gay people and I support gay rights and marriage.
This is a game and I don't see how it matters so damn much, you play this ME game like it is some kind of romance novel or something.

Yes, I do question it a little bit if a guy feel the need to play as a male shep and have an in-game gay relationship, that shows to me some kind of internal curiosity about homosexuality.
Fine for him, but don't make it out that I am some kind of homophobe afraid of turning gay cause of a game.

The problem I have is that all these people are making this game into some kind of trivial romance RPG.
Also the game is FAR FAR too shallow to even delve deep enough in to role playing some romance story.

When I play a game I don't run around pretending that all these other pixles (NPC) care about my sexuality, I don't define myself through where I want to stick my penis (schlong if the word is censored).
I define the actions I take , renegade/paragon and just plainly play for fun.

These threads about gay relationships in the game make it sound like the game is nothing without it.
I could see that would be the case if the game was announced as a space romance game that you can explore your sexuality with humans and aliens a like.



I honestly find it perplexing about these male guys that play as femshep and then want an F/F romance cause it "feels wrong" to play it with a romance with a guy.
Then why the hell play as a female to begin with? Is it just so you can admire the as$ of your femshep all day?

I can see the point from the gay community wanting gay relationships, but the other seems like something they should look into, cause it seems like there is a conflict there somewhere.

All in all I am just tired of hundreds of these romance threads and ff this and mm that.
This game is about saving the galaxy and roleplay the story.

I would prefer the developers focus more on that instead of making this game into some kind of pathetic space version of the SIMS.

I fear what ME3 will become.

Modifié par finc.loki, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:18 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

finc.loki wrote...

Hence the Sigmund Freud comment was SPOT ON, think before YOU comment.

So you are really using the homophobe card now, lol, pathetic.
I have no problem with gay people and I support gay rights and marriage.
This is a game and I don't see how it matters so damn much, you play this ME game like it is some kind of romance novel or something.

Yes, I do question it a little bit if a guy feel the need to play as a male shep and have an in-game gay relationship, that shows to me some kind of internal curiosity about homosexuality.
Fine for him, but don't make it out that I am some kind of homophobe afraid of turning gay cause of a game.

The problem I have is that all these people are making this game into some kind of trivial romance RPG.
Also the game is FAR FAR too shallow to even delve deep enough in to role playing some romance story.

When I play a game I don't run around pretending that all these other pixles (NPC) care about my sexuality, I don't define myself through where I want to stick my penis (schlong if the word is censored).
I define the actions I take , renegade/paragon and just plainly play for fun.

These threads about gay relationships in the game make it sound like the game is nothing without it.
I could see that would be the case if the game was announced as a space romance game that you can explore your sexuality with humans and aliens a like.

All these males that play as femsheps that "need" their gay relationship to be F/F so they don't feel gay or something really is a Freud subject.
Then play as a maleshep and romance the hell out of the females.

I honestly find it perplexing about these male guys that play as femshep and then want an F/F romance cause it "feels wrong" to play it with a romance with a guy.
Then why the hell play as a female to begin with? Is it just so you can admire the as$ of your femshep all day?

I can see the point from the gay community wanting gay relationships, but the other seems like something they should look into, cause it seems like there is a conflict there somewhere.

All in all I am just tired of hundreds of these romance threads and ff this and mm that.
This game is about saving the galaxy and roleplay the story.

I would prefer the developers focus more on that instead of making this game into some kind of pathetic space version of the SIMS.

I fear what ME3 will become.

[finc.loki]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Snip.

Really?

So stating an opinion that happens to be different from you is trolling.
How convenient.

From now on , everyone that doesn't agree with me is a troll /sarcasm.

I would argue you're the troll here since you don't even bring up a counter argument, but just flame, that is definition of trolling.

[finc.loki]

asaiasai wrote...

One would hope that after 300 or 400 years and once contact is made with another species that would be enough of a catylist to force people to recognize that caucasian, hispanic ect are not races. Humanity is a race and all the outdated ideas are irrelevant.

Asai

Someone didn't take biology class!

Humanity is a species, not a race.
Within the human species there ARE races, such as white, black, asian, inuit etc.


Ignorance is bliss.

For example Ash was a specist/xenophobe and not a racist.

[Sique Foque]

finc.loki wrote...



Personally I don't think this is something that has to be in the game, gay's make up very small portion of the people that will buy the game and the romance part is not make or break for the game.
Sorry gay people you are a small percentage and it will remain that way.

And how exactly did you come by this information, how many gamers are gay? Any statistics to share? Since people who play games reflect all stratums of society, there should be plenty people who are same-sex oriented. Not that the sexual orientation should matter - ME is a RPG and it's (amongst many other things) about the possibility to play a totally different role than in real life. That is the great thing about all those choices, one playthrough you can act as yourself, the next like somenone completely different, and so forth...

[handheld]

finc.loki wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Snip.

Really?

So stating an opinion that happens to be different from you is trolling.
How convenient.

From now on , everyone that doesn't agree with me is a troll /sarcasm.

I would argue you're the troll here since you don't even bring up a counter argument, but just flame, that is definition of trolling.

Handheld does not appreciate it when one calls Handhelds forumite companion a troll Handheld will not stand for that.

Handheld thinks people are now starting to make these threads just to get a rise out of people as on the former forums at least a dozen popped up within the last 2 or 3 days.

Handheld is tired of the arguing and whining and ogreizing it is childish to continue this Handheld himself demands that we all start acting like adults and stop with the name calling.

Handheld says to the people who dont want Homosexual romances.

Handheld is sorry but they are real and they happen in real life so get over it.

Handheld says to the people who are for homosexual romances.

It has already been stated that shepard has is own preferences that we just cant change and the M/M romances are just not apart of it.

Handheld says to the people who are apart of the westboro baptist church.

F*** YOU Handheld thinks your all a bunch of retards.

Handheld says everyone watch this video and then Handheld thinks we will all have a common enemy.

[SurfaceBeneath]

finc.loki wrote...

Really?

So stating an opinion that happens to be different from you is trolling.
How convenient.

From now on , everyone that doesn't agree with me is a troll /sarcasm.

I would argue you're the troll here since you don't even bring up a counter argument, but just flame, that is definition of trolling.

Oh, I'm sorry. I assume when someone posts a completely unintelligent opinion berefit of any actual substance that they are trolling and not just tragically stupid.

I humbly apologize and take back my statement that you were trolling.

[handheld]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Really?

So stating an opinion that happens to be different from you is trolling.
How convenient.

From now on , everyone that doesn't agree with me is a troll /sarcasm.

I would argue you're the troll here since you don't even bring up a counter argument, but just flame, that is definition of trolling.

Oh, I'm sorry. I assume when someone posts a completely unintelligent opinion berefit of any actual substance that they are trolling and not just tragically stupid.

I humbly apologize and take back my statement that you were trolling.

Handheld knows surfacebeneath to be a wise and intelligent person Handheld himself asks you to please stop the incessant arguing and watch handhelds video so that we may all Have something else to hate besides each other.

Handheld wishes to promote hugging between the forumites as Hugging is like jello its delicous.

[Z-Dragon]

here's this by the way



From Thomas R Roy (Associate Programmer):



I didn't work on ME1 but I would venture to say that most of the developers feel that Liara/Femshep is an F/F relationship. I don't know if the "she's an asari" thing was ever intended to take away from the F/F aspect (since I wasn't around when the idea was put together) but nevertheless, she was intended as the gay female love interest.



As far as M/M love interests... I can say that it was planned, but as far as I know it was cut due to time constraints. Quite frankly the demand is small. I'm not defending it, but the choice is between a level that everyone will enjoy and a romance that only a minority will enjoy. We did it in Jade so we're not afraid of it; there just isn't enough time.



Sorry to all the gay ME fans



-Thomas



Original Source:

http://meforums.biow...the gay ME fans

[SurfaceBeneath]

handheld wrote...

Handheld knows surfacebeneath to be a wise and intelligent person Handheld himself asks you to please stop the incessant arguing and watch handhelds video so that we may all Have something else to hate besides each other.

Handheld wishes to promote hugging between the forumites as Hugging is like jello its delicous.

I apologize to Handheld. But I think Handheld knows better than most how much I enjoy a good scuffle with trolls on the internet. I hope Handheld forgives me for this and all future incidences of reverse trolling.

EDIT: I'd also like to apologize to Handheld again, but I fear that I cannot fully watch Handheld's video. This is because the opinions presented within it make me dizzy with the stupid and I almost lose consciousness halfway through. Again, I sincerely apologize to Handheld.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:49 .

[Z-Dragon]

hope the source doesn't get removed because of the forum shift...

[SurfaceBeneath]

Oh, the polish dub also said that there was an M/M romance. Seeing as he voiced all the lines for Shepard, I think that's a pretty credible source.