finc.loki wrote...
Well look at that.
You actually made a post with arguments,nice!
I only post arguments when I feel like it's worth my time. If I feel like someone is trolling or being ignorant, than I simply troll back. Tis my nature.
There might not be a lack of interest on Bioware's part to make full on gay romances.
But apparently, it is not a big enough interest to include it in this time around.
In an earlier post , someone stated and showed a snippet of a comment made by a developer that the "market" is not large enough to warrant that inclusion in the game if they or on a time budget.
This is what I've been saying that it is still in a minority, except here on the forum with all the threads left and right.
This is just a very vocal group on these forums, that does not necessarily reflect the general populace view.
The developer who commented that only recently joined the team (he said he wasn't involved when they were making ME1) and depending on what he is in charge of developing, his opinion matters to varying degrees. Regardless of that, it does not change the fact that Bioware -did- think that the audiance for M/M romances was worth including in Jade Empire and Dragon Age. You also need to take in to account that for KOTOR, they were not allowed to develop full homosexual romances because of Lucasarts and their stance on the issue. For Mass Effect 1, it may have been an issue of time vs. interest, however they still got in Liara as a female romance option in to at least appease some of the gamers who desired such a romance.
If it meant that other stuff/levels doesn't get excluded from the game in order to fit in a gay romance, then by all means, include it.
I agree with you on this point and do not believe that romances are as important as most of the people on these forums imply. I like that romances are there, but this should never turn in to a dating game. Lets call this common ground while it exists.
I've seen many threads where there is outright hatred against Bioware cause of the exclusion of gay romance.
It is getting overboard, you just stipulated that Bioware has had gay romance in almost all of their games.
Isn't that a good thing then? Oh, how quickly they forget....
Again, I agree that this is a radical opinion and that anyone who hates Bioware for the exclusion of gay romances should really get some perspective and realize that Bioware is doing more for gay gamers than 90% of gaming companies are.
The F/F is more popular, at least here in the forum, out in the world of majority I do not know.
As someone said earlier, perhaps they should make a DLC out of gay relationships, it would be a good way to truely measure the interest beyond these forums for such a thing.
Romances require a lot of voice work of several cast members in order to feel authentic. It would be a nice experiment, but I don't think it's a feasible option.
Nice, where it not for one simple rebuttal.
Making a skin color, takes far less time and effort that making up a whole gay romance story, throughout a whole trilogy.
Also, you said "remove" skin shades etc, gay romance according to Bioware was never even IN the game.
So by using an argument like that we could argue ad infinitum.
The point still stands that if you're using the "lack of interest argument" that you need to defend it at all angles. Dark skin pigments does not cost a lot of development time, no, but it does cost some. Where do you draw the line between development cost and interest among players?
For example animating the female model for Shepard was not easy or cheap. Again, if we're going to make a case for Bioware cutting out content due to lack of interest, we need to consider that the Female Shepard option took a LOAD of development time for considerably less interest than the Male Shepard. Same for the romance options presented to female Shepard, which will be experienced by even fewer players. Do you really think the percentage of people who romance Jacob or Thane is going to greatly exceed the number of homosexuals in game? Because I for one really doubt it. So why include those options and not homosexual ones, especially when if they go the "Bi" route they don't even have to fully design new relationships, just add on a few extra dialogues.
One would be a fool to go by what is posted by "hardcore fans" on a gaming forum and think that is a majority opinion.
As the many complaint threads saying ME2 is dumbed down or going to be inferior to the first game show so well.
However, I think it's a large assumption to make that the percentage of players who would be interested in gay romance options would be any greater on these forums than off. Certainly those on these forums value the romances in game more as a whole, but since Bioware is making those romances anyway, you have to assume that they're making it to cover as many bases as possible so everyone is happy with something. If I was a gay gamer, I would be quite miffed at the disclusion of homosexual romances in ME2, especially when it would take only a few extra lines of dialogue and a little character rendering work to do so. Miffing off 10% (or whatever percentage you want to give gay gamers or those who want to indulge in gay romances... that number would probably be closer to 20%-25% when including both homosexual gamers and heterosexual gamers that would be interested in the content, but we'll lowball it) that are interested in such content and you're still potentially irritating potentially 200,000 gamers assuming 2 million people buy the game. That's not a small population at all, not when you consider that a tiny bit of extra development time would go towards making them much happier.
Anyways, I hope you enjoyed this serious debate.
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