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[Kidd]

Do you all remember that survey leak last year? It was full of information on all kinds of things, but it shouldn't be taken literally since it wasn't an official reveal. The information is so old anything within it could have been changed for a myriad of reasons.

I remember it spoke of what we thought was a possible companion, a good-hearted magister from Tevinter. So I was thinking, doesn't this resemble Maevaris from the comics? It's possible this magister was turned into Maevaris and put in a comic. It'd be a very similar scenario to how DA2 was originally planned to have Velanna and Nathaniel, instead we got Anders and Sebastian.

If that is true, that raises another question. Was she put in the comics because she fit there and not in the game, or is it possible we will see her again in DA3 - possibly as a companion?

Does this sound plausible, BSN? Would you like it? Discuss!

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 01 juin 2013 - 07:43 .

[ElitePinecone]

The potential magister companion was Dorian Pavus (a Wilde reference, "brazen and clever"), though I'd love it if Mae were included in the game. Perhaps we'll encounter her if the Inquisition ever makes it to Tevinter. Obviously we don't know how solid the information was in the survey, but they have been doing voice recording for quite a while - I'd be surprised if most of those companions listed didn't end up in the final game.

I think it's a little hard to reference her backstory, though, without mentioning events that might never have happened for some players - or happened in a very different way than what was portrayed in the comics.

[Examurai]

Far out, i've got to start reading all these comics and novels lol
Half of these threads are about companions, and half of those companion threads are about characters I don't recognize at all. But judging from the OP this Maevaris person sounds interesting. It will be nice to get a better perspective on Magisters from an actual character than the codex.

Modifié par Examurai1, 01 juin 2013 - 08:03 .

[Kidd]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I think it's a little hard to reference her backstory, though, without mentioning events that might never have happened for some players - or happened in a very different way than what was portrayed in the comics.

Could be that she gets the role of relegating all the comic info to the player in shortened format in DA3. Somebody likely needs to do it after all (I didn't finish the comics yet since I'm buying hardcovers, but I'd imagine what's happening is at least somewhat relevant to DA3) so might as well make a companion exposition-bomb us and letting it do double time as characterisation. You know, kind of like Anderson retelling the events of Mass Effect Revelation in ME1.

Examurai1 wrote...

Far out, i've got to start reading all these comics and novels lol 
Half of these threads are about companions, and half of those companion threads are about characters I don't recognize at all. But judging from the OP this Maevaris person sounds interesting. It will be nice to get a better perspective on Magisters from an actual character than the codex.

I know, right? There's plenty of interesting characters in the extended media. And I would indeed love to hear more about the magisters and Tevinter in general from an internal source.

[agrael92]

If the game directly involves Tevinter it is likely that we're gonna meet her in a way or another. I think I could see her being a companion.

[Reznore57]

I hate to be the one to write this down , but I doubt she could be a companion simply because she's hot and transgender.
It could confuse a lot of player and I think it could get a bit immature and ugly.
But I may be pessimistic.

Though I'd like to see her in DA3 ...She's cool , a magister from Tevinter , and Varric likes her .
You can't really go wrong with that.

[themageguy]

I hope to see the character again. Def a fav of mine in the comics

[Fredward]

If we're moving away from pathos filled mages I wouldn't mind seeing her, but I kinda like my pathos filled mages.

[whykikyouwhy]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

If that is true, that raises another question. Was she put in the comics because she fit there and not in the game, or is it possible we will see her again in DA3 - possibly as a companion?

I would wager she was put in the comic because having a non-power & glory-lusting mage from Tevinter fit the storyline. She was probably meant to counter Titus, to show that not everyone from the Imperium was despicable. 

Not knowing the potential story arcs for DA3, I have no idea if she would fit the game or not, though I would love to see her, if even just as an NPC you encounter for information/quests/the sly bit of quippish banter. 

[Welsh Inferno]

I don't think so. But, she mentions a mage in the comic. A magister exiled from Tevinter to the Anderfels who can "..graft spirit onto flesh to restore life.." I think that person could be our 'good-hearted' Tevinter mage companion.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 01 juin 2013 - 12:03 .

[Tinxa]

I haven't read any of the comics and books.

I don't really want characters from the comics or books showing up in the game too much. I would hate having all these references to comics I haven't read.

[ElitePinecone]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I would wager she was put in the comic because having a non-power & glory-lusting mage from Tevinter fit the storyline. She was probably meant to counter Titus, to show that not everyone from the Imperium was despicable. 

Not knowing the potential story arcs for DA3, I have no idea if she would fit the game or not, though I would love to see her, if even just as an NPC you encounter for information/quests/the sly bit of quippish banter. 

That definitely makes sense in terms of how she fit the narrative of the comics, and there was also the personal connection to Varric with her marriage to his cousin. 

I'd probably expect to see her more as a questgiver than a companion, I agree. Really hope we see more of her though, it was great to see a non-insane Tevinter magister and she seemed to know the power struggles and hierarchy of the Imperium. 

[Solas]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I don't think so. But, she mentions a mage in the comic. A magister exiled from Tevinter to the Anderfels who can "..graft spirit onto flesh to restore life.." I think that person could be our 'good-hearted' Tevinter mage companion.

ohhhh interesting

I want to see Cole who was in the survey in the game..

[K_Tabris]

Reznore57 wrote...

I hate to be the one to write this down , but I doubt she could be a companion simply because she's hot and transgender.
It could confuse a lot of player and I think it could get a bit immature and ugly.
But I may be pessimistic.

Though I'd like to see her in DA3 ...She's cool , a magister from Tevinter , and Varric likes her .
You can't really go wrong with that.

On the otherhand, it could be enlighten some of the less informed players. I hope to at least see Maevaris in DA3, if not a full companion/romance option.

[nightscrawl]

Tinxa wrote...

I haven't read any of the comics and books.

I don't really want characters from the comics or books showing up in the game too much. I would hate having all these references to comics I haven't read.

Even though I've read all of the Dragon Age material, I feel for ya. I feel the same way when it comes to World of Warcraft ancillary materials, which have had more of an impact on the game world because WoW is an MMO. I've only read (some of) the novels, but there are also a ton of WoW comics and manga out there with a lot of lore development that I have no idea about =/.

However, do take hope from this...

David Gaider wrote...

The novels and comics contribute to Dragon Age canon. As I just mentioned in another thread, the events depicted may also happen in your personal version of the story-- but only if they work in context. Anything introduced from those stories into future games would need to be done on the assumption someone didn't read them, so you're not required to. They exist as independent tales, perhaps exploring choices in the game which you may not have taken.

[Asdrubael Vect]

NO! not want this man in my party

[esper]

I hope not. I would prefer that the comics have zero-to little impact on the main story line. (Unless we are talking about events which can be told through consequence without it becoming redundant for those who read it).

If a character who is in a book, then there is a major gap in how different player understand the character based on info. If they were someone important in the book then how are the writers going to inform new players about, the major effects the narrative in the book had on the character. What about those who read the books, for them this information would be a repeat and quite possible boring and it would take away from all the other information about the character old fans would likely have to know. And we get into the same problem like: Would the character actually logically inform the player character of this and if they don't are they then purposefully hiding information from the player character. As much as I love Anders this was a major problem with him and he was only expansion. The nightmare of the books and comics, I don't want to imagine.

If a companion (or a role equally important) is a reacurring character then it is better to be a character which is not fleshed out. (Such as Isabella and Merrill).

[Reznore57]

To be honest you don't learn much about Mae in the comics.
Well she used to be married to Varric's cousin.Big deal.

It was way  worse for Loghain , much of his paranoia about Orlesians is explained in the novels.
He lose a freaking lot of depth as a character if you didn't read them.
And no one complained  about this.

Modifié par Reznore57, 01 juin 2013 - 12:37 .

[esper]

Actually it is explained that he is paranoid about Orlais in the game. I picked up on it on my first play through and had not read the comics nor been on BSN yet so they must have explained it in game. (Of course it also helped that I found Calain immedieatly unsympatic)

But yes. It is a problem. And no, people have complained about it here on BSN. I know that I have read the complain here many times. The main one being that he was a joke off himself compared to the novels.

[cogsandcurls]

I'd love to have her as a companion. If the leaks are true then I suspect we won't get her, since I can't imagine BW would give us two mage companions and have them both originate as Tevinter magisters, but I live in hope.

It would be lovely to see her turn up in the game in any capacity though, to be honest. I thought she was great.

[Kidd]

cogsandcurls wrote...

I'd love to have her as a companion. If the leaks are true then I suspect we won't get her, since I can't imagine BW would give us two mage companions and have them both originate as Tevinter magisters, but I live in hope.

It would be lovely to see her turn up in the game in any capacity though, to be honest. I thought she was great.

The idea was that Dorian became her, in a literary sense. Much like Nathaniel became Sebastian it would be a change from the original design idea and the later production. If Dorian is still in as Dorian, then I agree, it seems incredibly unlikely we'd get Mae.

[Reznore57]

Oh well ,I can't remember reading anything about Loghain .My mistake , then, Esper.
I agree that it can be a "problem" , but not really for character like Mae .
You don't learn so much about her in the comics .

[cogsandcurls]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

I'd love to have her as a companion. If the leaks are true then I suspect we won't get her, since I can't imagine BW would give us two mage companions and have them both originate as Tevinter magisters, but I live in hope.

It would be lovely to see her turn up in the game in any capacity though, to be honest. I thought she was great.

The idea was that Dorian became her, in a literary sense. Much like Nathaniel became Sebastian it would be a change from the original design idea and the later production. If Dorian is still in as Dorian, then I agree, it seems incredibly unlikely we'd get Mae.

Oooooh, now that's an interesting idea. I must admit that Dorian really piqued my interest when the leaks happened, but if this ended up being the case I'd be more than happy to exchange him for Mae - she is, after all, the one I'm already attached to, and carries a lot of the same interesting plot hooks that made Dorian intriguing in the first place.

[esper]

Reznore57 wrote...

Oh well ,I can't remember reading anything about Loghain .My mistake , then, Esper.
I agree that it can be a "problem" , but not really for character like Mae .
You don't learn so much about her in the comics .

She would still suffer from a Loghain-level problem. Namely that comics and books are better at characterising than a game. Espically since she wouldn't be able to be given that much focus, even as a companion. Now that might work if she were not a companion, but as one:

We have the rely information about the comic problem. Too little and all those who haven't read the comic would be lost, too much and for those who had read the comic she becomes boring. Easter eggs are funny when they are unimportant, but when they aren't... they become annoying for those incapable off understanding the reference.

I just don't ever want to see and Anders-level problem again where the difference between what the players know amongst themselves is too great, just as the difference between what the players and the player avatar knows becomes too great.

[ElitePinecone]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

The idea was that Dorian became her, in a literary sense. Much like Nathaniel became Sebastian it would be a change from the original design idea and the later production. If Dorian is still in as Dorian, then I agree, it seems incredibly unlikely we'd get Mae.

That's an interesting idea, although I think the characterisations of Dorian and Mae (even though we don't know much) are pretty vastly different. That doesn't mean this sort of transformation couldn't happen, but I think they'd have to adjust the Tevinter plot somewhat if the magister companion ended up being Mae. 

I know David hates to be quoted out of context, but I remember reading ages ago that Bioware chooses companions based on a bunch of pretty important criteria - their class (how they affect gameplay), their uniqueness as a character, their role as a 'hook' into one of the game's major conflicts or issues, and whether or not they're a romance option. 

Dorian (from his admittedly patchy survey bio) is described as an outcast from Tevinter, crusading against the rest of the magisters and what they represent. He also seems to be (if we can take his name as a guide) somewhat of a witty and playful quasi-Victoran dandy; his last name is Latin for 'peacock'. His raison d'etre, to be short, is the destruction of Tevinter's "corruption" in the form of - presumably - the magocracy. 

Mae might be nicer than your average magister, but as far as we know she's pretty heavily embedded in the culture and politics of Tevinter. It's been a while since I've read the first comic in which she appears, but she certainly doesn't seem to be an outcast hell-bent on undermining the power and privilege that she already has. I'd think that if she became the magister companion, there'd need to be a pretty compelling reason for her to turn against her own society.