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[Senya]

She's a transgender character from the comics. Varric's cousin married her and she's a Tevinter Magister who is halfway decent, but needed some prompting to help against an evil magister if I researched correctly.

[The Hierophant]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, which is why I said Fereldan is probably the best out of Thedas.

It may not be 'legal' but a lot of countries turn an intense blind eye to it

Caste system; Dwarves have this in utter overdrive. Casteless aren't even treated as people. You can do whatever you want to them without backlash. Even elves are treated as little more than dirty, lower-caste scum by Andrastian countries.

With Tevinter human or elf can beome a magister; you can kill one and take their standing. So you can drag yourself up.

Orlais nobles keep elven slaves (like Fiona) and Antiva buys children to make into assassins; who get killed if they try to leave. Hell, even Isabela is a glorified slaver.

Lousy excuses I say, to justify the lunatics in DA2. It makes even less sense as it is to go there, much less to make a Circle there, so it's the Chantry's own stupidness at fault for Kirkwall with the war. And Tevinter isn't at Kirkwall anymore. 

Kirkwall's thinned veil is still a testament towards Tevinter's treatment of it's slaves, plus how are the above examples counters towards Tevinter supporting slavery, and blood sacrificing? Heck with the examples you posted it seems like Tevinter's society is an amalgamation of the negatives of Thedas' other nations/cultures.

So because Tevinter does it on the wider scale the rest of Thedas doesn't matter?

I already stated that the other nations are not immaculate as they have their issues, but passing off Loghain's, Isabella's mother's, and the Orlesian nobility's actions that are considered illegal in comparison to Tevinter's legally backed slavery, and ritual killings seems off.

[Xilizhra]

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dorian (from his admittedly patchy survey bio) is described as an outcast from Tevinter, crusading against the rest of the magisters and what they represent. He also seems to be (if we can take his name as a guide) somewhat of a witty and playful quasi-Victoran dandy; his last name is Latin for 'peacock'. His raison d'etre, to be short, is the destruction of Tevinter's "corruption" in the form of - presumably - the magocracy.

Quite frankly, I just find this irritating. I don't want Tevinter's magocracy to fall. The slave system, sure, but the magocracy is no worse than any other government in Thedas, and editorializing about how bad it is... I just really don't like the idea.

Seeing Maevaris would also be quite nice. I say bring on the douchebags, and let them fall away like flies.

Nah no excuses, Tevinter needs a radical revolution too if the mages in Andrastian nations are allowed to hold positions of power.

Yes, we can do a revolution to get rid of slavery, which is the major problem and also has nothing to do with magocracy.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I hope that's represented in the depiction of more than a handful of non-white characters in the narrative, since Kirkwall seemed to lack diversity for a trading hub (which was more than a little ridiculous).

Fergus' wife was Antivan, and was pretty white herself. While the Antivans do have more tan people than other ethnic groups, they're not as visually distinct as, say, Hispanics, it seems, being more pure Spanish/Italian. The only always-visually distinct human ethnic group that we know of is the Rivaini, which... well, yes, we could have seen more of those.

Also, Zevran was sporting a heavy tan despite having no ethnically human blood whatsoever, so that may be more a function of climate than ethnicity. 

Humans weren't originally from Thedas, so I imagine the humans adapted to the climates of certain areas like the elves did. Some elves have a darker skin tone than others, like the elven mage who was initially speaking with Alistair at Ostagar.

As for Antivans... Feynriel's father, Vincento, is Antivan, and he had a tanned complexion. Vincento and Zevran's use of Spanish dialogue makes me think that Antivans are supposed to be the Spanish or Latino equivalent for Thedas.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 16 juin 2013 - 07:17 .

[The Hierophant]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dorian (from his admittedly patchy survey bio) is described as an outcast from Tevinter, crusading against the rest of the magisters and what they represent. He also seems to be (if we can take his name as a guide) somewhat of a witty and playful quasi-Victoran dandy; his last name is Latin for 'peacock'. His raison d'etre, to be short, is the destruction of Tevinter's "corruption" in the form of - presumably - the magocracy.

Quite frankly, I just find this irritating. I don't want Tevinter's magocracy to fall. The slave system, sure, but the magocracy is no worse than any other government in Thedas, and editorializing about how bad it is... I just really don't like the idea.

Seeing Maevaris would also be quite nice. I say bring on the douchebags, and let them fall away like flies.

Nah no excuses, Tevinter needs a radical revolution too if the mages in Andrastian nations are allowed to hold positions of power.

Yes, we can do a revolution to get rid of slavery, which is the major problem and also has nothing to do with magocracy.

Taking away slavery would  radically alter Tevinter culture to the point that it's possible for Tevinter to collapse as their economy is heavily dependant on it. I don't even think it's possible to preserve a magocracy with that level of chaos.

[LobselVith8]

almostinsane99 wrote...

She's a transgender character from the comics. Varric's cousin married her and she's a Tevinter Magister who is halfway decent, but needed some prompting to help against an evil magister if I researched correctly.

Does Maevaris give much of an opinion on Imperium society?

Given that one of the speculations about the five rings promo is that one of the rings could be for Tevinter, I'm curious if Maevaris could factor into a possible Tevinter background for the new protagonist.

[Chiramu]

Finding the right voice for her will be the hard part. It can't be masculine and it won't be too feminine.

The problem with this is, we are not in the Tevinter Imperium. We are in Orlais, what is she doing in Orlais will be my question. Much like Anders and Merrill randomly appearing in Kirkwall. A wild MAEVARIS appeared!

[Xilizhra]

As for Antivans... Feynriel's father, Vincento, is Antivan, and he had a tanned complexion. Vincento and Zevran's use of Spanish dialogue makes me think that Antivans are supposed to be the Spanish or Latino equivalent for Thedas.

Spanish. Definitely Spanish. There are no native American populations to mix with to form the Latin ethnicities.

Taking away slavery would radically alter Tevinter culture to the point that it's possible for Tevinter to collapse as their economy is heavily dependant on it. I don't even think it's possible to preserve a magocracy with that level of chaos.

There was at least one archon who evidently thought that he could keep the nation together even with it outlawed, though he was assassinated before too long.

Finding the right voice for her will be the hard part. It can't be masculine and it won't be too feminine.

You'd be surprised about the level of femininity some can work towards. Many, you'd never be able to tell by the voice.

[ChaosMorning]

Chiramu wrote...
Finding the right voice for her will be the hard part. It can't be masculine and it won't be too feminine. 

I remember sifting through posts on the Dragon Age Confessions tumblr and I came across this particular entry:

http://24.media.tumb...1hjuro1_500.jpg

After reading that confession I went to listen to Mirren's voice (an interview on Ellen), and I think she'd do a really good job voicing Maevaris.

Modifié par ChaosMorning, 17 juin 2013 - 12:13 .

[Kidd]

Chiramu wrote...

Finding the right voice for her will be the hard part. It can't be masculine and it won't be too feminine.

The human voice is incredibly adaptable, and most people don't play with the masculine/feminine aspects. But it's fully possible, at least for those who have gone through a testosterone-based puberty, to choose their expression as long as they learn how to do so. Nick Pitera does a pretty gender-based nice twist here.

So it may be hard, but it may not be as hard as I would imagine many think =)

[KiwiQuiche]

The Hierophant wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, which is why I said Fereldan is probably the best out of Thedas.

It may not be 'legal' but a lot of countries turn an intense blind eye to it

Caste system; Dwarves have this in utter overdrive. Casteless aren't even treated as people. You can do whatever you want to them without backlash. Even elves are treated as little more than dirty, lower-caste scum by Andrastian countries.

With Tevinter human or elf can beome a magister; you can kill one and take their standing. So you can drag yourself up.

Orlais nobles keep elven slaves (like Fiona) and Antiva buys children to make into assassins; who get killed if they try to leave. Hell, even Isabela is a glorified slaver.

Lousy excuses I say, to justify the lunatics in DA2. It makes even less sense as it is to go there, much less to make a Circle there, so it's the Chantry's own stupidness at fault for Kirkwall with the war. And Tevinter isn't at Kirkwall anymore. 

Kirkwall's thinned veil is still a testament towards Tevinter's treatment of it's slaves, plus how are the above examples counters towards Tevinter supporting slavery, and blood sacrificing? Heck with the examples you posted it seems like Tevinter's society is an amalgamation of the negatives of Thedas' other nations/cultures.

So because Tevinter does it on the wider scale the rest of Thedas doesn't matter?

I already stated that the other nations are not immaculate as they have their issues, but passing off Loghain's, Isabella's mother's, and the Orlesian nobility's actions that are considered illegal in comparison to Tevinter's legally backed slavery, and ritual killings seems off.

Yeah but they still do it. That was my point.

Also Dwarves with their caste system.

[ElitePinecone]

Chiramu wrote...

Finding the right voice for her will be the hard part. It can't be masculine and it won't be too feminine.

The problem with this is, we are not in the Tevinter Imperium. We are in Orlais, what is she doing in Orlais will be my question. Much like Anders and Merrill randomly appearing in Kirkwall. A wild MAEVARIS appeared!

The game may start in Orlais, but it certainly won't be staying there for the whole thing.

The map Mike Laidlaw showed off at a convention ages ago as an indication of what could be in the next game included portions of southern Tevinter.

[ElitePinecone]

Hm, this is interesting:

"Maevaris came into being too far into DAI’s development process to be a party member for that game (ironically, by the time fans know nearly anything about a game the time for “big” suggestions is over). Like I mentioned before, however, I’m not done with her just yet. And that’s as much as I’ll say."

I guess that doesn't rule Mae out from popping up (but not as a companion) in DAI or its DLC, and I'm glad there are plans to show the character again somewhere eventually.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 18 juin 2013 - 02:24 .

[Xilizhra]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Hm, this is interesting:

"Maevaris came into being too far into DAI’s development process to be a party member for that game (ironically, by the time fans know nearly anything about a game the time for “big” suggestions is over). Like I mentioned before, however, I’m not done with her just yet. And that’s as much as I’ll say."

I guess that doesn't rule Mae out from popping up (but not as a companion) in DAI or its DLC, and I'm glad there are plans to show the character again somewhere eventually.

In theory, she could be a DLC companion... though it might not be the best use of her.

[keightdee]

ElitePinecone wrote...

The map Mike Laidlaw showed off at a convention ages ago as an indication of what could be in the next game included portions of southern Tevinter.

I just saw that video pop up on /r/DragonAge. Here!

[Kidd]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Hm, this is interesting:

"Maevaris came into being too far into DAI’s development process to be a party member for that game (ironically, by the time fans know nearly anything about a game the time for “big” suggestions is over). Like I mentioned before, however, I’m not done with her just yet. And that’s as much as I’ll say."

I guess that doesn't rule Mae out from popping up (but not as a companion) in DAI or its DLC, and I'm glad there are plans to show the character again somewhere eventually.

Oh man, that sounds wonderful. I also really like that outfit psdo made for her. It would be pretty cool if she turned up in the game later, wearing that dress =) 

Not that I dislike her current design,  of course. It's just a pretty outfit and I always like it when the community gets a nod of "this is for you." And I would imagine psdo would be even happier =)

[ElitePinecone]

keightdee wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

The map Mike Laidlaw showed off at a convention ages ago as an indication of what could be in the next game included portions of southern Tevinter.

I just saw that video pop up on /r/DragonAge. Here!

Yeah, that's the one - it looks like it includes Ferelden, Orlais, the Free Marches, Nevarra and possibly a city or two in Tevinter. It could always be out of date now, but we've had other indications that they want to showcase a bunch of different nations and regions in DAI.

I think a Tevinter magister could probably be found in most of those locations (or at least their major cities); travel between countries in Thedas doesn't seem to be so unusual that a magister living abroad would be a huge or rare event. Particularly if they're an outcast, or in hiding, etc.

Would Tevinter magisters have protection from the Templars in whatever country they were travelling in, assuming they weren't on official or diplomatic business? I'd never considered it, really.