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[TheProtheans]

AlainSki wrote...

With the benefit of hindsight I can now say that I'd rather have waited with playing Mass Effect 3 untill after all the DLC and fixes were released. With the next installment of Mass Effect (x) will you wait for a year or throw yourself back into the fray from the onset(release)?

I'm not excited to play, I'm waiting for all the DLC to go on sale.
But I still have 16 odd games I have to play and finish before I move onto the Mass effect trilogy again.
So it's not like the sale is keeping me from playing as I have so many other games to finish first.

[Nerevar-as]

dreamgazer wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Cyberpunk is said to have CC and will be around by/before ME3.

I'm aware. And I might be singing their praises for it ... in two years.

Until then, the White Wolf of Rivia is it.

Read the books.

[David7204]

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

Modifié par David7204, 01 juin 2013 - 08:44 .

[dreamgazer]

Nerevar-as wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Cyberpunk is said to have CC and will be around by/before ME3.

I'm aware. And I might be singing their praises for it ... in two years.

Until then, the White Wolf of Rivia is it.

Read the books.

Did CDPR write those?

[Ravensword]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

The story is interesting, David, and very versatile in terms of choices. 

But it's very politically motivated, practically dressed, and morally gray. 

[David7204]

Ravensword wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

Deductive reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it?

Am I wrong? And if I am, then why hasn't this game been heralded as the RPG everyone and thier mother has been dreaming of?

Modifié par David7204, 01 juin 2013 - 08:50 .

[Nerevar-as]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

Just curious, are you from the USA? For all its merits, TVTropes is rather lacking in most things not american or mangaish.

And yes, it shows that you haven´t played it. And it´s not to spite ME3, more like DA, especially after 2.

[Nerevar-as]

dreamgazer wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Cyberpunk is said to have CC and will be around by/before ME3.

I'm aware. And I might be singing their praises for it ... in two years.

Until then, the White Wolf of Rivia is it.

Read the books.

Did CDPR write those?

Sapkowski. CDP did a GREAT job adapting the world and characters. They nailed it, and it wasn´t an easy task.

[dreamgazer]

Nerevar-as wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Cyberpunk is said to have CC and will be around by/before ME3.

I'm aware. And I might be singing their praises for it ... in two years.

Until then, the White Wolf of Rivia is it.

Read the books.

Did CDPR write those?

Sapkowski. CDP did a GREAT job adapting the world and characters. They nailed it, and it wasn´t an easy task.

I'm aware of who wrote the books, but their adaptation---which leans on amnesia as a storytelling crutch and a death retcon---doesn't mean they're going to handle customizable protagonists or a science-fiction story well.

[Reorte]

dreamgazer wrote...

The story is interesting, David, and very versatile in terms of choices. 

But it's very politically motivated, practically dressed, and morally gray. 

And a good example of how to do all of that without annoying people. Mass Effect wins on characters I actually like though (although they're arguably more interesting in The Witcher).

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Ashley and Kaidan more interesting?

[Nerevar-as]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm aware of who wrote the books, but their adaptation---which leans on amnesia as a storytelling crutch and a death retcon---doesn't mean they're going to handle customizable protagonists or a science-fiction story well.

No death retcon from my interpretation of the ending, agree about the amnesia, but I really like how they have integrated it in the overall story with the Wild Hunt. I´m more annoyed about having Triss pushed on Geralt so strongly, in TW1 they didn´t even mention Yenn by name, and while I can believe Triss would shut up, Jaskier would have asked. And here people complain about Liara. At least they haven´t waked with her on the bed if they didn´t want.

[JamesFaith]

dreamgazer wrote...


I'm aware of who wrote the books, but their adaptation---which leans on amnesia as a storytelling crutch and a death retcon---doesn't mean they're going to handle customizable protagonists or a science-fiction story well.

That death retcon is also Sapkowski's work - short story Something ends, something begins.

[Nerevar-as]

JamesFaith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


I'm aware of who wrote the books, but their adaptation---which leans on amnesia as a storytelling crutch and a death retcon---doesn't mean they're going to handle customizable protagonists or a science-fiction story well.

That death retcon is also Sapkowski's work - short story Something ends, something begins.

Not canon. He wrote it for some friends´ wedding. Although I´ve read that he told CDP that Geralt and Yenn were indeed alive (if Arthurian pararels didn´t leave it clear enough).

[DemonSlayer_1]

I'll most likely buy me4 on launch date.

[jstme]

I will wait for people reaction. Waiting for all DLCs to be out to buy a game seems to me a bit backwards,frankly. Game is bad - pointless to buy DLCs ,proven by DA2. Game is good - DLCs add to main game like in ME2.

[jstme]

David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

Deductive reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it?

Am I wrong? And if I am, then why hasn't this game been heralded as the RPG everyone and thier mother has been dreaming of?

Witcher story is really good, in both games. There are other problems with that franchise and one of those problems by the way is lack of "75 perfect scores" shameless EA marketing behind it. 
I like ME2,ME1 and DA:O much more then the witchers duo but trust me - storywise Bioware games are at most not better then CDPR ones.

[Nerevar-as]

David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

Deductive reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it?

Am I wrong? And if I am, then why hasn't this game been heralded as the RPG everyone and thier mother has been dreaming of?

Because it´s Polish.and TW1 isn´t even on consoles. And because they spent their money on making the best game they could instead of marketing and pandering to/threatening the big review sites.

And I´d say it has been heralded as such, at least here in Europe. Again, are you from the US?

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

I've played the first game.  Definitely well-crafted, but I simply don't enjoy the setting.  Takes dark and gritty up to eleven for me.  To "HBO" for me, I guess.  But then, that's the Witcher setting.  Maybe I'll like Cyberpunk more.

But for myself, I'm waiting on some of these Kickstarter RPGs:  Shadowrun Returns, Project Eternity, Torment: Tides of Numenera and so on.  From what I've seen, these are games that have what Mass Effect seems to have lost.

[anillee]

It depends on DA:I for me. If that game turns out to be lousy, I'll probably wait for reviews. I was going to wait for reviews for DA:I as well, but I really enjoyed Citadel, and that renewed a little bit of that lost faith.

Like someone else said, right now BioWare is the only company that's making games I truly enjoy playing, although CD Projekt's next game (not the Witcher) has piqued my interests...

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Waiting... after the ME 3 letdown, and BioWares handling of it, I'm not pre-ordering OR running out to buy any new BioWare games in the forseeable future.

[someguy1231]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

Really? Something as insignificant as that is part of why you think the Witcher has been "passed by"? TVTropes isn't the be-all end-all of pop culture.  And how do you define "absolute sensation"? The fact that the game was made by a Polish studio that was practically unknown outside Poland, and was based on a series of fantasy novels that were also practically unknown outside Poland, and yet has been a big success in many parts of the world should qualify it was a "sensation", I would think.

Oh, by the way David, if you're really so convinced that having a picture on TVTropes is a sign of success, then the Witcher 1 page does have a pic! 
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TheWitcher

I'd comment on your use of the word "shill", but I learned a long time ago that the only people who use that word are people who try to dismiss people who like something that they don't.

David7204 wrote...
I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

That has got to be one of the most arrogant and dismissive paragraphs I have ever seen on BSN, and that's really saying something.

Having played the Witcher 2 twice and using very different choices for each playthrough, I can say that no, its story is not remotely like Omega or Skyrim. Your outlandish and absurd claims could not be more wrong. The story is complex, with many unforeseen consequences, characters with motives that conflict with other characters without making out one to be a clear hero or villian, and many heartfelt moments that rival or even surpass many I've seen in Mass Effect. It is glaringly obvious thatnot only have you never played the game, but you don't care about even reading up on it either. Since you like to invoke TVTropes so much, I'm going to invoke it here against you:
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch

Modifié par someguy1231, 01 juin 2013 - 09:57 .

[someguy1231]

David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

Deductive reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it?

Am I wrong? And if I am, then why hasn't this game been heralded as the RPG everyone and thier mother has been dreaming of?

Christ, are you trying to be the most arrogant person on these boards now, David? If so, mission accomplished.

"Deductive reasoning" only goes so far. And popularity doesn't equal quality. I'd think you of all people would know that. Would you try to argue that Twilight or Justin Bieber is good because they've been hugely successful?

What is your standard for "being heralded by everyone and their mother"? I keep seeing you use this phrase, but it seems like it's just an arbitrary and impossible-to-reach standard you use to dismiss any game you don't think is popular enough.

Modifié par someguy1231, 01 juin 2013 - 10:04 .

[someguy1231]

Oh, as for the original topic, yes I am going to wait until I pickup ME4. I preordered the CE of ME3. Worst mistake I've made in gaming.