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[Bizinha]

-> If the reviews are good
-> I have already caught the PS4
-> Version GOTY or Ultimate

But I am aware, ME probably died in ME3.

[Eryri]

someguy1231 wrote...

Oh, as for the original topic, yes I am going to wait until I pickup ME4. I preordered the CE of ME3. Worst mistake I've made in gaming.

I made the same mistake. One I will not be repeating.

I will most likely wait until the game is around the £15 mark, and even then I will read user reviews and maybe even complete spoilers before I decide to buy. 

And if it is any sort of prequel then it won't appeal to me at all.

[jijeebo]

I'm going to pre-order MEN:SEX before it even appears on Amazon.

I don't know how... But I'll find a way.

ME3 shipped with a dreadful ending, but it's still one of my favourite games of this generation and I don't regret pre-ordering it with all the bells and whistles.

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

I've played the first game.  Definitely well-crafted, but I simply don't enjoy the setting.  Takes dark and gritty up to eleven for me.  To "HBO" for me, I guess.  But then, that's the Witcher setting.  Maybe I'll like Cyberpunk more.

But for myself, I'm waiting on some of these Kickstarter RPGs:  Shadowrun Returns, Project Eternity, Torment: Tides of Numenera and so on.  From what I've seen, these are games that have what Mass Effect seems to have lost.

Wow, it seems you truly aren't a fan of dark and gritty settings and stories. Now I know (one of the things) what makes our tastes so different. I love The Witcher's world (the books and the games), and I just love dark and gritty stuff. My tase in games shows it pretty well: Thief, Metro, Dead Space, The Witcher, Deus Ex, even ME (for the most part) etc.. 

Actually I'd love to see a lot more darker, uglier, grittier and morally more ambigous story and setting in ME4 than in the trilogy. Some true space-noir. I had just written this in on of the threads a few days ago... you'd definitely hate it. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 01 juin 2013 - 10:34 .

[BearlyHere]

Gixxer6Rdr wrote...

Waiting... after the ME 3 letdown, and BioWares handling of it, I'm not pre-ordering OR running out to buy any new BioWare games in the forseeable future.

That pretty much sums it up for me. I don't know if I could go back to the ME universe. I might play the trilogy on the PC some day, but only if I get it really cheap, and then install MEHEM. Even DA:I will be a wait and see, and it better have "buy this" reviews from players, and not bought reviews to give Bioware their "everyone luvs us" marketing. Right now I'm playing Fallout 3 and Fallout:NV and waiting for Eternity and Numenera.

[AlainSki]

Well the financial side of a day-0 purchase isn't really what bothered me. What bothered me is the fact that ME:2 and 3 are much more rich in gameplay/story/etc. with all the DLC than when they first released. I hated the original ME:3 ending and cried foul on this forum along with many others, but when I started playing it again in April with all the DLC everything felt so much better. So a 1 year wait for me implies a much 'richer' 1st playthrough which hopefully leaves me in awe.

The flip-side of the coin would be that if everyone takes my stance they'd never create more than one DLC because nobody would buy it...

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Wow, it seems you truly aren't a fan of dark and gritty settings and stories. Now I know (one of the things) what makes our tastes so different. I love The Witcher's world (the books and the games), and I just love dark and gritty stuff. My tase in games shows it pretty well: Thief, Metro, Dead Space, The Witcher, Deus Ex, even ME (for the most part) etc.. 

Actually I'd love to see a lot more darker, uglier, grittier and morally more ambigous story and setting in ME4 than in the trilogy. Some true space-noir. I had just written this in on of the threads a few days ago... you'd definitely hate it. 

 Of the games you listed, I only played Deus Ex (which I enjoyed)  As  I said, I can sppreciate the Witcher for  being a complex, well-crafted game.  But the whole "lthe world sucks and there's nothing you can do to make it better" kinda turns me off. 

I'm a fan of Earn Your Happy Ending.  I don't mind dark elements as long as those elements are surmountable.  There ahs to be a light on the other side.  In the end, it all has to be worth it.

That's why I'm waiting on future Bioware games.  Mass Effect in particular.  Because it no longer seems to be worth it.  Why play a game that's rigged from teh start?

[FlamingBoy]

well lets just say I won't be the idiot who pre-ordered the collectors edition again (keeping in mind it was the first and last game I have ever pre-ordered).

When I look back now it actually wasn't my fault, their marketing campaign was deceptive at best. I guess we all pay for our education

[liggy002]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Not buying any BW. They can "headcanon" my money.

lol,  they might create another awesome villain and then have it disappear only to tell us that once again, we shouldn't get too attached to a character.  I'm with you SpamBot.

Modifié par liggy002, 02 juin 2013 - 03:08 .

[AlanC9]

Awesome?

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 juin 2013 - 03:17 .

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...


Awesome?

Like, totally. 

[liggy002]

AlanC9 wrote...


Awesome?

Yep, because a clone of Shepard was a much better idea (insert sarcasm)

[GimmeDaGun]

liggy002 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Not buying any BW. They can "headcanon" my money.

lol,  they might create another awesome villain and then have it disappear only to tell us that once again, we shouldn't get too attached to a character.  I'm with you SpamBot.

Well, I'd call Harbinger many things, but awesome. For each of their own, I guess.

[o Ventus]

Alien Number Six wrote...

No. Mass Effect 3 was awesome. It is my favorite of the series.

No it wasn't.

[GimmeDaGun]

liggy002 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...


Awesome?

Yep, because a clone of Shepard was a much better idea (insert sarcasm)

The Citadel dlc's plot was the stupidest, cheesiest, most over-exaggerated, cheek-in-tongue piece of writing in the whole trilogy, but it was on purpose. Citadel wasn't really a canon part of the trilogy. It was a parody which was produced to kindly make fun of the trilogy and pay tribute to its most memorable character moments. It isn't meant to be taken by face value. 

I didn't like it either... but it is what it is: a good bye dlc and a gesture to the fans. 

[GimmeDaGun]

o Ventus wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

No. Mass Effect 3 was awesome. It is my favorite of the series.

No it wasn't.

Yes, it was. It's a fact. It's always fact what I say. Whatever I utter with my mouth or write down with my hands is the pure and unquestionable Truth. It's objective. My opinion is objective. I'm objective. Fact: ME3 is objectivly the best, the ending is objectively good. Objectively. I have proof and solid arguments. I'm the truth. It's my word that matters, because it's the truth: factual and objective. Your's just an opinion. 

Plus, I hate Miranda. She's an annoying and badly written character to surve the sole purpose of nerd wet-dreams to come true virtually. She's badly written and lame. It's fact. I'm fact. My opinion's fact. Objective. My, my own. 

Everyone has an opinion, but I have the objective, factual truth in my hands. I know better. I'm better. 

Debate me!


:lol::lol:......-_--_-

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 02 juin 2013 - 07:08 .

[o Ventus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

No. Mass Effect 3 was awesome. It is my favorite of the series.

No it wasn't.

Yes, it was. It's a fact. It's always fact what I say. Whatever I utter with my mouth or write down with my hands is the pure and unquestionable Truth. It's objective. My opinion is objective. I'm objective. Fact: ME3 is objectivly the best, the ending is objectively good. Objectively. I have proof and solid arguments. I'm the truth. It's my word that matters, because it's the truth: factual and objective. Your's just an opinion. 

Plus, I hate Miranda. She's an annoying and badly written character to surve the sole purpose of nerd wet-dreams to come true virtually. She's badly written and lame. It's fact. I'm fact. My opinion's fact. Objective. My, my own. 

Everyone has an opinion, but I have the objective, factual truth in my hands. I know better. I'm better. 

Debate me!

If you're going to reply to a sarcastic post, the very least you could do is try to make your own sarcasm less overt. It just kind of looks stupid.

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Wow, it seems you truly aren't a fan of dark and gritty settings and stories. Now I know (one of the things) what makes our tastes so different. I love The Witcher's world (the books and the games), and I just love dark and gritty stuff. My tase in games shows it pretty well: Thief, Metro, Dead Space, The Witcher, Deus Ex, even ME (for the most part) etc.. 

Actually I'd love to see a lot more darker, uglier, grittier and morally more ambigous story and setting in ME4 than in the trilogy. Some true space-noir. I had just written this in on of the threads a few days ago... you'd definitely hate it. 

 Of the games you listed, I only played Deus Ex (which I enjoyed)  As  I said, I can sppreciate the Witcher for  being a complex, well-crafted game.  But the whole "lthe world sucks and there's nothing you can do to make it better" kinda turns me off. 

I'm a fan of Earn Your Happy Ending.  I don't mind dark elements as long as those elements are surmountable.  There ahs to be a light on the other side.  In the end, it all has to be worth it.

That's why I'm waiting on future Bioware games.  Mass Effect in particular.  Because it no longer seems to be worth it.  Why play a game that's rigged from teh start?

Well, different tastes. I'm not an enemy of light hearted stuff, but it's so easy to screw it up and make it totally cheesy and hollywoodish. And it makes my eyes rolling. 

The Witcher's world does not suck, it's just a world like ours. Geralt's story is a very human story and the world he lives in despite its wonders is a very human tale with much good and bad in it. But it's not so black and white like in most stories. I never believed in the "you can change the world just like that" especially without paying a serious toll for it: the world can not be changed in the way we'd like to change it, but we can do the right thing according to our conscious and the values we treasure. The outcome is not always good, or not necessarily the way we though it would be, but at least we made a choice and took a stand. I prefer more human stories, than high fantasy hero stories (maybe that's part of the reasons why I find ME2 the weakest of all three games). Being a catholic somehow makes me appreciate what good we have and can do in a world which is constantly turning into madness, immorality, sin and murder. Staying good among evil and finding the good in others, helping them, protecting them from evil, even if there's no thanks for it are more heroic in my eyes than saving the world alone against the big objective evil. It's the subject of legends and mythology, which I enjoy very much (Tolkien basically wrote his own mythology, and what a wonderful and well written story and book it turned out to be), but in games and post-modern story telling, I prefer the ones which dare to show the ugliness of what we can do and who we tend to be. 

[GimmeDaGun]

o Ventus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

No. Mass Effect 3 was awesome. It is my favorite of the series.

No it wasn't.

Yes, it was. It's a fact. It's always fact what I say. Whatever I utter with my mouth or write down with my hands is the pure and unquestionable Truth. It's objective. My opinion is objective. I'm objective. Fact: ME3 is objectivly the best, the ending is objectively good. Objectively. I have proof and solid arguments. I'm the truth. It's my word that matters, because it's the truth: factual and objective. Your's just an opinion. 

Plus, I hate Miranda. She's an annoying and badly written character to surve the sole purpose of nerd wet-dreams to come true virtually. She's badly written and lame. It's fact. I'm fact. My opinion's fact. Objective. My, my own. 

Everyone has an opinion, but I have the objective, factual truth in my hands. I know better. I'm better. 

Debate me!

If you're going to reply to a sarcastic post, the very least you could do is try to make your own sarcasm less overt. It just kind of looks stupid.

It was on purpose. I just love how people treat their own opinions here and in general like it was the only valid one. Plus, I've seen guys here who wrote in the same manner, but sadly the weren't derping around. They were serious.

[Gixxer6Rdr]

someguy1231 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

Deductive reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it?

Am I wrong? And if I am, then why hasn't this game been heralded as the RPG everyone and thier mother has been dreaming of?

Christ, are you trying to be the most arrogant person on these boards now, David? If so, mission accomplished.

"Deductive reasoning" only goes so far. And popularity doesn't equal quality. I'd think you of all people would know that. Would you try to argue that Twilight or Justin Bieber is good because they've been hugely successful?

What is your standard for "being heralded by everyone and their mother"? I keep seeing you use this phrase, but it seems like it's just an arbitrary and impossible-to-reach standard you use to dismiss any game you don't think is popular enough.

Yes he is. I can actually tell a "David" post even when, on my phone, I can't see the username atm. Not even kidding. There's a certain smug sense of self-superiority that just screams out of the post. I just ignore him/it now.

[GimmeDaGun]

Gixxer6Rdr wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, I've been wondering that about the Witcher.

If this game was really that good, it should be an absolute sensation. The way people talk about it here, it's the RPG everyone and their mother has been dreaming of. But for the most part, it's been quietly passed by. TV tropes doesn't even have a picture for it on the page. Sure, plenty of people on the BSN shill in a very obvious attempt to spite Mass Effect, but that doesn't count for much.

I'm willing to bet the story is a lot like Omega. Or maybe Skyrim. Or maybe the generic story that dozens or even hundreds of FPS games have had. In that it doesn't do anything glaringly wrong, it just doesn't bring anything redeemable to the table. There's nothing really worth seeing. No real meaningful themes or powerful characters or heartfelt moments or anything like that.

It's amazing how much you know about a game you've never played.

Deductive reasoning goes a long way, doesn't it?

Am I wrong? And if I am, then why hasn't this game been heralded as the RPG everyone and thier mother has been dreaming of?

Christ, are you trying to be the most arrogant person on these boards now, David? If so, mission accomplished.

"Deductive reasoning" only goes so far. And popularity doesn't equal quality. I'd think you of all people would know that. Would you try to argue that Twilight or Justin Bieber is good because they've been hugely successful?

What is your standard for "being heralded by everyone and their mother"? I keep seeing you use this phrase, but it seems like it's just an arbitrary and impossible-to-reach standard you use to dismiss any game you don't think is popular enough.

Yes he is. I can actually tell a "David" post even when, on my phone, I can't see the username atm. Not even kidding. There's a certain smug sense of self-superiority that just screams out of the post. I just ignore him/it now.

His assumption is also funny, since TW has one of the most creative and well though out and written stories in gaming history. It's full of twists, mystery, interesting details, lots of clever political mischief and intrique, interesting characters etc.. Both of them are almost as good as the books. Certainly the books are much better, but the games are truly great adaptations of The Witcher short stories and novels (which are far superior to this overhyped, written to sell series called Game of Thrones). 

[FlamingBoy]

The Witcher and its sequel is an extraordinary couple of games, its different in every sense of the word. Like the original mass effect there is no game quite like it.

While yes you could not like the style they went for in those games, I still applaud the effort in a industry which tries to be "widely" appealing as possible.

Also unlike a lot of developers they do not blame bad sales on pirates.

[Vinchisters]

I will preorder ME4 (or whatever it's called) day one, for the simple reason that I love every game in the trilogy and I'm not butthurt about the endings. There, I said it.

[TheProtheans]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

No. Mass Effect 3 was awesome. It is my favorite of the series.

No it wasn't.

Yes, it was. It's a fact. It's always fact what I say. Whatever I utter with my mouth or write down with my hands is the pure and unquestionable Truth. It's objective. My opinion is objective. I'm objective. Fact: ME3 is objectivly the best, the ending is objectively good. Objectively. I have proof and solid arguments. I'm the truth. It's my word that matters, because it's the truth: factual and objective. Your's just an opinion. 

Plus, I hate Miranda. She's an annoying and badly written character to surve the sole purpose of nerd wet-dreams to come true virtually. She's badly written and lame. It's fact. I'm fact. My opinion's fact. Objective. My, my own. 

Everyone has an opinion, but I have the objective, factual truth in my hands. I know better. I'm better. 

Debate me!


:lol::lol:......-_--_-

Miranda is a bad turned good character, she was very bad when we first met her.
That alone makes her the best character in the game.
If she is your wet dreams then it is only because your sex life is null, no offense.
I think you have this hate for her because she still hasn't walked out of the TV/Monitor and placed herself onto of you, since she didn't then she earned your wrath.

[GimmeDaGun]

TheProtheans wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

No. Mass Effect 3 was awesome. It is my favorite of the series.

No it wasn't.

Yes, it was. It's a fact. It's always fact what I say. Whatever I utter with my mouth or write down with my hands is the pure and unquestionable Truth. It's objective. My opinion is objective. I'm objective. Fact: ME3 is objectivly the best, the ending is objectively good. Objectively. I have proof and solid arguments. I'm the truth. It's my word that matters, because it's the truth: factual and objective. Your's just an opinion. 

Plus, I hate Miranda. She's an annoying and badly written character to surve the sole purpose of nerd wet-dreams to come true virtually. She's badly written and lame. It's fact. I'm fact. My opinion's fact. Objective. My, my own. 

Everyone has an opinion, but I have the objective, factual truth in my hands. I know better. I'm better. 

Debate me!


:lol::lol:......-_--_-

Miranda is a bad turned good character, she was very bad when we first met her.
That alone makes her the best character in the game.
If she is your wet dreams then it is only because your sex life is null, no offense.
I think you have this hate for her because she still hasn't walked out of the TV/Monitor and placed herself onto of you, since she didn't then she earned your wrath.

It was a deliberately clumsy sarcastic joke from my part and it had nothing to do with Miranda really. You shouldn't take it seriously. You missed the point of the post completely. Don't take everything for face value.

As for Miranda. I find her character somewhat forced and boring, but I have nothing against her, and she has her moments. I don't mind her being in ME at all. Although it's true that some Miranda fans tend to treat the character very seriously, almost fetish-like seriously. The same goes for Liara, Tali, Thane and Garrus. I find this kind of adoration funny and somewhat awkward. But again the post wasn't serious. I just happened to pick Miranda as one of the subjects of this overexaggerated, lame post because the person I quoted happened to have a Miranda avatar and banner. If it was something else, I would have mocked that.

But your "sarcasm" and "trolling post" detector should have gone beep-beep, the moment you read my post. I still don't know how you managed to take that one seriously.

I only made a stupid joke about the overconfident posts and people who treat their opinion as facts. Their statements lack the acknowledgment of subjectivity and that their opinion is just one of the million and not the unquestionable objective truth. What the hell is objective truth in human terms anyway? Especially when it comes to creative products. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 02 juin 2013 - 09:43 .