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[Rolo Kipp]

<pleading...>

Only the most invertebrate punster could make such a hard shell. I guess we're all a little nautilus...
=)

<...no contest>

[Rolo Kipp]

<displaying uncharacteristic...>

I'd even wager a few squid some of our British friends know a mol-Luskan agent when they see one =)

<...conch-trite-ness>

[Tarot Redhand]

Trust you to winkle out all those limp(et) puns. I bet some people would just love you to clam up. Still, as long as you can distinguish your (letter sounds like sea) o c kles (danged nanny software) from your muscles...

Just a thought but could someone make an on-topic comment... Please!

TR 

Modifié par Tarot Redhand, 21 juin 2013 - 08:49 .

[The Amethyst Dragon]

Tarot Redhand wrote...

Just a thought but could someone make an on-topic comment... Please!

Sure.

So, guess who just spend several hours last night animating a certain snail model, only to discover at the end that he'd forgotten to ResetXForm on 4 parts, so they ended up in the wrong positions in at least 1/3 of the animations?

Instant headache.  I'll be reanimating the entire thing tomorrow night...I ain't touching gmax today.

[Shemsu-Heru]

Classic Volothamp Geddarm Beta.

[dusty.lane]

Tarot Redhand wrote...

Just a thought but could someone make an on-topic comment... Please!

TR 

Flumph might not come until after June! It's on-topic bad news! Flumph of course takes a while (and I really want it to look good!) and I am already juggling a lot of other things. So things may be slow in that department! No pix, yet!

The Amethyst Dragon wrote...

So, guess who just spend several hours last night animating a certain snail model, only to discover at the end that he'd forgotten to ResetXForm on 4 parts, so they ended up in the wrong positions in at least 1/3 of the animations?

Instant headache.  I'll be reanimating the entire thing tomorrow night...I ain't touching gmax today.

As for you ... YOU POOR DWAGON! Reset XForm is the most important thing EVAR, it's right there in the modeling bible, verse 16.


Edit:
I need to stop saying I am making something, because when it comes slow, I feel bad!

Modifié par dusty.lane, 22 juin 2013 - 02:07 .

[MerricksDad]

dusty.lane wrote...
I need to stop saying I am making something, because when it comes slow, I feel bad!

You aren't the only one...

[The Amethyst Dragon]

dusty.lane wrote...

Reset XForm is the most important thing EVAR, it's right there in the modeling bible, verse 16.

I reset the xform all the time on things.  Just forgot that I'd rotated and repositioned the flail stalks before I started animating. *sigh*

Oh, well.  A few hours working at the treadmill desk tonight will give me the time to redo all the animations.  I've done them all once, so a 2nd time should go a little faster (the walk and run animations are actually the hardest, to get a convincing "ripple" movement).  And yes, it is surprisingly easy to work with gmax while walking 3 mph.

The D&D cartoon cloak prefab will be very easy, and the quarterstaff (model and prefab) will be easy as well.  I've already got a staff model from my Reforged project I can retexture, and I'll be whipping up a small misc. inventory icon and prefab stuff so a wielder can resize it via unique power (to save on inventory space & weight carried when it's not wielded).

[The Amethyst Dragon]

The Flail Snail is done (both model work and animation).



Now to get started on the D&D cartoon items.

Oh, and since the model work was already done, I did a little resize and recolor. Not really old school, but it does rely on the flail snail as a supermodel for the animations, so I'm tossing it in with this month's stuff...

[Rolo Kipp]

<being badgered...>

<oooh! look, boss! rainbow snails! from the bay of stones!>
Hmmm? Oh, yes. Very pretty.
<rainbow snails! rainbow snails! rainbow snails!>
Yes, yes, yes.
<get'em! get me some rainbow snails, boss! get'em get'em get'em!>
I'm reading here, bird... <*bright raven joy transforms into thunderous raven scowl*>
<you have ignored me for *months* and now you are ignoring *rainbow snails*?!>
Er, that's not what...
<*deep stormy voice* you. will. get. me. rainbow. snails. problem?>
Nono no! Was just about to do that!

<...by a raven>

[3RavensMore]

Did someone say snails? Yum! I'm not certain I'll get that big ol' one on the platter though.

[NWN_baba yaga]

cant remember me ever saying something is perfect but that flail snale is perfect Amethyst Dragon. Really amazing work:)

And the character starts in here are very cool too so far. Cant wait to see some texture work done for them! 

Modifié par NWN_baba yaga, 24 juin 2013 - 08:20 .

[kamal_]

All hail the flail snail!

[The Amethyst Dragon]

So...yeah.  I've now stumbled across an issue I've never before encountered when making a new model for NWN.

My flail snail (and the rainbow snail) shows up perfectly in the toolset...but not in the game.

I can plop down one of these critters (or multiple), and they show up just fine in the toolset in my test module (where I took my latest screenshots, showing idle animation and everything).  I save, launch my test module as either a player or a DM, and the creatures just aren't there. No tab highlight, no attacks on me when they're set to hostile, no creatures in the area as far as the DM client is concerned, nothing spawning from DM creature palette.  Nothing.  Nada.

I've checked the model for parts are rendered or not, tried turning off all shadows, tried an animation-free version, tried setting to non-hostile factions, removed and re-added my test hak, and made multiple adjustments to the lines in appearance.2da.  I'm out of ideas.  Fat lot of good a great model does if a builder places it into a module and it just ceases to exist when the game runs.

Anyone else ever seen or heard of this happening before?  And if so, found a way to fix it?

[Tarot Redhand]

OK let's try the potentially embarrassing first. When you try to test are you going to the module via f9 or loading the module from nwn directly (ie starting the game yourself off the desktop/start menu). If the latter, try f9. If that doesn't work... You have checked your game settings haven't you? Other than that I'll leave to the real experts

TR

[Rolo Kipp]

<offering vague...>

I did have that happen before, though I don't remember which creature.
I vaguely remember it having something to do with textures. They were the wrong dimensions or I tried something tricky with txi...

Come to think of it, my gynoculus had this peekaboo problem, too... But here was a problem with more than 4 bones on a few vertices. Have you looked at the skin weights in the weight table?
Try making a static placeable without the skin modifier and see if that renders. If it does, you're looking at too many bones or too many bones per vertice.

<...middle of the night advice>

[Shemsu-Heru]

Volo in NWN

[Shemsu-Heru]

Henesua has suggested to me, That Volo is not old school. Well I have considered him suitable for old school, because all of his guides were made for the 2nd edition.
So let me know if you think that he is suitable for this challenge or not. If he would be not, I'll include him in any other place....

Modifié par Shemsu-Heru, 25 juin 2013 - 09:37 .

[Rolo Kipp]

<giving a thumbs up...>

Old school from the vantage of 3rd edition :-)
I *like* this... please do include it.

<...while picking the sage's pocket>

[Tarot Redhand]

I definitely consider Volo to be old school at 2ed and TSR, since we are currently on 4e (or is it 4.5 now, can't keep up ()) and WotC in pnp. In fact I'd consider anything with TSR on the cover to be old school. Also I love that model.

TR

[henesua]

I was just being silly because FR was not part of the original D&D stuff. Sheesh. I certainly did not mean to dissuade you from including Volo in this challenge.

[Grymlorde]

Well some people consider only the original 3 booklet white box D&D to be "Old School" whereas over on dragonsfoot.org they have a place for 2nd Edition AD&D. In my opinion, 2nd edition is closer to the Greyhawk booklet (1st OD&D supplement) than it is to 3rd edition and therefore deserves to be called "Old School."

Disclosure: While I have played OD&D, AD&D, AD&D 2nd edition, and 3rd edition -- my favorite version is AD&D 2nd edition.

Edit: After looking at AD's post, I noticed that AD&D 2nd edition is included in the challenge.  

Modifié par Grymlorde, 26 juin 2013 - 05:19 .

[Rolo Kipp]

<clarifying...>

@ AD: a couple corrections for the first page list... Sorry for the confusion.

The Bomb Beast is a collaboration with Tarot Redhand.
The Runequest Dragon Snail by Cestus Dei will be done, but not this month :-/

My life over-floweth :-)

<...some butter for escargot>

[Shemsu-Heru]

Well, like 2nd edition is included in the challenge, I Think that volo should be here...





Finally I have to remove the few skin parts that I had used; Because after testing, that don't look well with some animations; And I don't have enought knowledge and experience with skins to fix that. I hope that won't be too much disapointed....

Modifié par Shemsu-Heru, 26 juin 2013 - 01:41 .

[Fester Pot]

I like Volo - wonder how he'd look with a rainbow beard to go along with them rainbow snails - but his boots texture could use some love. They remind me of Pinocchio's!

FP!